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Author:

mayo

Is a fully hardcode page with blog entries written in the text editor a blog? Is a CMS which allows users to create and edit files but doesn't allow comments a blog? From a developer's perspective: what makes a blog a blog? -- just curious

Author:

Charlie Griefer

I'd say it's any ongoing communication between a person (or parties) and the general public via the Web (the via the Web part makes the 'general public' part a given).  I don't think a particular format has anything to do with it, although there are obviously some formats that are significantly more popular than others. (would also suggest moving this thread to cf-community) :) On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:00:54 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote:

Author:

Nathan Strutz

google - define:blog http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ablog   "A blog is basically a journal that is available on the web. The activity of updating a blog is "blogging" and someone who keeps a blog is a "blogger." Blogs are typically updated daily using software that allows people with little or no technical background to update and maintain the blog. Postings on a blog are almost always arranged in cronological order with the most recent additions featured most prominantly." If you want to get technical with this definition, a CMS is required (offline or online ones count), comments are not required. Though another further down the search probably defines it better:   "A web log: an on-line diary or frequently updated personal web page." -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/  <;-- mine mayo wrote:

Author:

mayo

I know what a blog is used for, why it's being used, etc... I was just wondering what makes a blog a blog? What features make it a blog? Is it simply a CMS or are there other features that make it a blog? Does it need the ability to comment? Does it need a cute little calendar? The reason I guess I started wondering is that my blog is a CMS I built for myself and friends and co-workers were saying "that's not a blog" Hence the post to the group. -- gil   google - define:blog   http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ablog     "A blog is basically a journal that is available on the web. The   activity of updating a blog is "blogging" and someone who keeps a blog   is a "blogger." Blogs are typically updated daily using software that   allows people with little or no technical background to update and   maintain the blog. Postings on a blog are almost always arranged in   cronological order with the most recent additions featured most   prominantly."   If you want to get technical with this definition, a CMS is required   (offline or online ones count), comments are not required.   Though another further down the search probably defines it better:     "A web log: an on-line diary or frequently updated personal web page."   -nathan strutz   http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/  <;-- mine   mayo wrote:   > Is a fully hardcode page with blog entries written in the text editor a   > blog?   > Is a CMS which allows users to create and edit files but doesn't allow   > comments a blog?   >   >  >From a developer's perspective: what makes a blog a blog?   >   > -- just curious   >

Author:

Chris Johnston

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:25:12 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote: I think the only thing that makes a blog a blog is that it be an online journal, i.e., weblog. The technology that drives the blog, whether that be hard coded or via a CMS, is inconsequential to the content that is being presented on the blog. In other words, what makes a blog a blog is the content and not the tech. -- chris johnston www.fuzzylizard.com "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk." Pink Floyd

Author:

Jake .

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:25:12 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote: > >I think the only thing that makes a blog a blog is that it be an >online journal, i.e., weblog. The technology that drives the blog, >whether that be hard coded or via a CMS, is inconsequential to the >content that is being presented on the blog. In other words, what >makes a blog a blog is the content and not the tech. I agree with that completely from the front end. From the back end, however, I wouldn't call a text editor, Dreamweaver, or a CMS is a "blog". From a developer's perspective I'd say those three things are "tools that can be used for blogging", but are not blogging apps by definition. Jake --- BlogFusion - www.countersinkdg.com

Author:

mayo

Thanks, Which begs the question what are the essential characteristics of a blog? I don't know? I'm not trying to be a broken record here. If a simple CMS which uses form text fields and cffile to write and edit is not a blog. What is? Where and how it's stored and delivered? (XML/db/file) The ease by which the user can edit? What makes blogfusion a blog if a simple CMS is not? --gil   >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:25:12 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote:   >   >I think the only thing that makes a blog a blog is that it be an   >online journal, i.e., weblog. The technology that drives the blog,   >whether that be hard coded or via a CMS, is inconsequential to the   >content that is being presented on the blog. In other words, what   >makes a blog a blog is the content and not the tech.   I agree with that completely from the front end. From the back end, however, I wouldn't call a text editor, Dreamweaver, or a CMS is a "blog".   From a developer's perspective I'd say those three things are "tools that can be used for blogging", but are not blogging apps by definition.   Jake   ---   BlogFusion - www.countersinkdg.com

Author:

Thane Sherrington

At 04:25 PM 8/26/2004, mayo wrote: >If a simple CMS which uses form text fields and cffile to write and edit is >not a blog. What is? The definition of blog is based on its use.  If you use a CMS to create a web diary, then it's being used to make a blog.  The blog is the finished product, not the tools used to create it.  The tools used to create a blog are blogging tools. Shovels, hoes and trowels aren't gardens.  They're gardening tools.  But they could also be used for other purposes. T

Author:

Rob

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:25:39 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote: > If a simple CMS which uses form text fields and cffile to write and edit is > not a blog. What is? I don't see why thats not a blog - at least by my made up definition - it may be a lame blog but thats another question I think. > Where and how it's stored and delivered? (XML/db/file) I don't think it matters. There are a couple free blogs out there some run on dbs some on xml (which is a file so...) >  What makes blogfusion a blog if a simple CMS is not? Maybe it has better tools - why is Notepad not a cold fusion IDE? It has the ability to create valid cf code. I think your trying to ask what is the minimum usability people want in a blog, and that's something you'll have to ask the people who are going to use whatever it is you are making. Text area => file => web browser I think is the minimum system requirements for a blog. -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net

Author:

Jake .

>Thanks, > >Which begs the question what are the essential characteristics of a blog? I >don't know? I think the essentials that make a blog different than a Web journal or simple news site is the entries being shown in reverse chronological order with a focus on one to many communication. > What makes blogfusion a blog if a simple CMS is not? Well, I think there is a VERY important distinction here... what is a blog and what is a blogging application/tool. You can have a blog made with any tool (notepad, CF Studio, Dreamweaver, HTMLlite, BlogFusion, Movable Type, or anything else). And then you can have blogging *tools*. BlogFusion, Movable Type, and others are blogging tools, not blogs. They are tools that are used to *make* blogs. And blogging tools that are specifically created for making blogs are much like text editors that are specifically meant to help create HTML. Just because you CAN write HTML with Word doesn't make it an HTML creation tool like Dreamweaver. Interesting discussion!

Author:

Rob

I'd say a blog is where you just type something into something like this http://www.rohanclan.com/products/OpenHTMLEditor/OpenHTMLEditor.html click save, and then displayed with output something like this http://www.robrohan.com/index.cfm?p=101 The calendar is just a navigation mechanism. The main distinction - in my mind - between a blog and, say, frontpage / dreamweaver is that you just need a browser to blog - there is no intermediate software. my ¥0.02 On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:25:12 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote:

Author:

mayo

That's my thinking exactly. Any mechanism by which text is conveniently displayed on a web site (usually in a reverse chronological order) without the user needing to know HTML or anything else is a blog. Everything else, calendar, comments etc..., are features by which you entice users to use your product. -- glm   I'd say a blog is where you just type something into something like this   http://www.rohanclan.com/products/OpenHTMLEditor/OpenHTMLEditor.html   click save, and then displayed with output something like this   http://www.robrohan.com/index.cfm?p=101   The calendar is just a navigation mechanism. The main distinction - in   my mind - between a blog and, say, frontpage / dreamweaver is that you   just need a browser to blog - there is no intermediate software.   my ¥0.02   On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:25:12 -0400, mayo <mayo@nycinteractive.com> wrote:   > I know what a blog is used for, why it's being used, etc...   >   > I was just wondering what makes a blog a blog? What features make it a blog?   >   > Is it simply a CMS or are there other features that make it a blog?   >   > Does it need the ability to comment?   > Does it need a cute little calendar?   >   > The reason I guess I started wondering is that my blog is a CMS I built for   > myself and friends and co-workers were saying "that's not a blog"   >   > Hence the post to the group.   >   > -- gil   >   >   >   >   google - define:blog   >   http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ablog   >   >     "A blog is basically a journal that is available on the web. The   >   activity of updating a blog is "blogging" and someone who keeps a blog   >   is a "blogger." Blogs are typically updated daily using software that   >   allows people with little or no technical background to update and   >   maintain the blog. Postings on a blog are almost always arranged in   >   cronological order with the most recent additions featured most   >   prominantly."   >   >   If you want to get technical with this definition, a CMS is required   >   (offline or online ones count), comments are not required.   >   >   Though another further down the search probably defines it better:   >   >     "A web log: an on-line diary or frequently updated personal web page."   >   >   -nathan strutz   >   http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/  <;-- mine   >   >   mayo wrote:   >   >   > Is a fully hardcode page with blog entries written in the text editor a   >   > blog?   >   > Is a CMS which allows users to create and edit files but doesn't allow   >   > comments a blog?   >   >   >   >  >From a developer's perspective: what makes a blog a blog?   >   >   >   > -- just curious   >   >   >   >

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