bye MM :( :: welcome Adobe :)

I guess it's done http://www.macromedia.com/ Adobe please don't F*CK it up or ELSE!!!! ;) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

The 'formerly macromedia' makes it... I don?t know... so 'official' and eulogistic. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com I guess it's done http://www.macromedia.com/ Adobe please don't F*CK it up or ELSE!!!! ;) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

I've got this really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach... but that could be the burrito I had for lunch. Adobe... please don't bog down everything like you did to Illustrator! !K I guess it's done http://www.macromedia.com/ Adobe please don't F*CK it up or ELSE!!!! ;) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

http://blogs.adobe.com/  is being picked up by mxna now too.  soon to be renamed too I suppose, what AXNA? Now if adobe can just get a nice Flash intro thingy on the home page instead of the current elementary one, eh? DK On 12/5/05, Kevin Aebig <kevin@keslabs.com> wrote:

Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shirt from the days of the Carter administration, typing on his HUGE old 386 running windows 3.11, talking to an old friend on his rotary dial phone and getting ready to head down to the same bar he's gone to for Monday Night Football for the last 10 years where he doesn't even have to order to get his cheeseburger with mustard and pickles only, tater-tots and a pitcher of Bud... He's reading this announcement and thinking, "I'm not afraid of change, am I?" --Ferg Kevin Aebig wrote:

Ken Ferguson wrote: That may well have been the most enjoyable run-on sentence I've read in a very long time.  Kudos!  8^) -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: mosh.teitelbaum@evoch.com WWW: http://www.evoch.com/

Change beatles to tears for fears and you'll make Dave the disruptor laugh. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shirt from the days of the Carter administration, typing on his HUGE old 386 running windows 3.11, talking to an old friend on his rotary dial phone and getting ready to head down to the same bar he's gone to for Monday Night Football for the last 10 years where he doesn't even have to order to get his cheeseburger with mustard and pickles only, tater-tots and a pitcher of Bud... He's reading this announcement and thinking, "I'm not afraid of change, am I?" --Ferg Kevin Aebig wrote:

I know I'll get ignored...but.... Here's a novel approach...why don't we wait and see how the newly merged company handles itself...and perhaps try hard to send them well thought out suggestions to nudge them in the right direction? Then...IF they make a mess we can whine and complain...but until then we just don't know what's going to happen (unless someone has polished off that CF_TimeTravel tag yet). my 2 cents Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com

You're 100% percent absolutely right Bryan... You will get ignored. =P Cheers, Kevin I know I'll get ignored...but.... Here's a novel approach...why don't we wait and see how the newly merged company handles itself...and perhaps try hard to send them well thought out suggestions to nudge them in the right direction? Then...IF they make a mess we can whine and complain...but until then we just don't know what's going to happen (unless someone has polished off that CF_TimeTravel tag yet). my 2 cents Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com

> You're 100% percent absolutely right Bryan... > > You will get ignored. =P > > Cheers, > > Kevin > Well at least you didn't ignore me Kev ;) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com

On 12/5/05, Bryan Stevenson <bryan@electricedgesystems.com> wrote: > Here's a novel approach...why don't we wait and see how the newly merged company > handles itself...and perhaps try hard to send them well thought out suggestions > to nudge them in the right direction? > > Then...IF they make a mess we can whine and complain... Good God man.  Have you LOST your MIND?  A CF/corporate thread without FUD?  Perish the very thought... -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com

Hey, now waitaminnit!  I don't drink Bud!  ;) Ken Ferguson wrote:

I'm 25, so please don't think I can't let go of the past... I really don't have much of one yet. =] I look at Adobe software and see poor, bogged down code that chokes even the most powerful PC's. I see a huge opportunity for them to create an amazing suite of products tailored for the web industry... And I'm not naïve enough to think there isn't a possibility for them to screw it up. @@ cents !K Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shirt from the days of the Carter administration, typing on his HUGE old 386 running windows 3.11, talking to an old friend on his rotary dial phone and getting ready to head down to the same bar he's gone to for Monday Night Football for the last 10 years where he doesn't even have to order to get his cheeseburger with mustard and pickles only, tater-tots and a pitcher of Bud... He's reading this announcement and thinking, "I'm not afraid of change, am I?" --Ferg Kevin Aebig wrote:

I just hope they keep going with the Fireworks programs. I had never used Fireworks until about two years ago. Up until then I was a Photoshop / Image ready person. I only started using Fireworks cause I had to for my new job. However, two years later, Fireworks is by far the best web-development graphics program that I have ever used! Its just so amazing including great symbol library and tweaning animation brought over from Flash style coding. Excellent mouse over image cutting. Excellent auto shapes. Other than that the crazy ass filters that Adobe has going for it, I can't find a single thing that I find easier and faster to do in Photoshop. PLUS, image optimization is 1000 time better in Fireworks. I can get a high quality jpeg to be like 14K in Fireworks... and equivalent looking jpeg in Adobe is like 40+ K (no one else at my company can get Adobe to optimize well, even those that don't like Fireworks). Adobe, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep the fireworks programs moving forward for web developers. ...................... Ben Nadel Web Developer Nylon Technology 6 West 14th Street New York, NY 10011 212.691.1134 212.691.3477 fax www.nylontechnology.com "Vote for Pedro"

On Monday 05 December 2005 18:30, dave wrote: > http://www.macromedia.com/ Oh well, now's a good time to make CFMX server free... ;-} -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer

Beware, they may be reading you... ;-) On 06/12/05, Thomas Chiverton <thomas.chiverton@bluefinger.com> wrote:

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/acquisition_complete/main.html It's a Breeze thing :) -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include <stdjoke.h>

If you change out that old  rotary dial phone with a copy of homesite then you got it pretty right ;) personally, i'm thinking this is gunna be a good thing. ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shirt from the days of the Carter administration, typing on his HUGE old 386 running windows 3.11, talking to an old friend on his rotary dial phone and getting ready to head down to the same bar he's gone to for Monday Night Football for the last 10 years where he doesn't even have to order to get his cheeseburger with mustard and pickles only, tater-tots and a pitcher of Bud... He's reading this announcement and thinking, "I'm not afraid of change, am I?" --Ferg

LMFAO cappichino just came out me nose!!! hahaha sorry wilber but tears 4 fears DOES NOT rock!! ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ Change beatles to tears for fears and you'll make Dave the disruptor laugh. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -

>sorry wilber but tears 4 fears DOES NOT rock!! Hey guy, I can change the music I listen to, but you gotta keep that face the rest of your life!   LOL!!! Will

yes will I forget how umm *choke* "handsome" ur lol lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud. jpg and now lets see your jeri-curled delight hehe ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ >sorry wilber but tears 4 fears DOES NOT rock!! Hey guy, I can change the music I listen to, but you gotta keep that face the rest of your life! LOL!!! Will

Wow, you gave your boyfriend a ColdfusionMX shirt, that's pretty cool.  Your really cute, but you really need to work on your taste in guys..... Rich Kroll Application Developer yes will I forget how umm *choke* "handsome" ur lol lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg and now lets see your jeri-curled delight hehe ~Dave the disruptor~

> lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like > http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg That's all they let ya do eh Dave...hang with them...LMAO!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com

I hope they keep fw too, like u said, one of the biggest and best things on there is fw blows ps away in saving files much much smaller. Some things are just easier and better in fw, like look at the price boxes here http://65.36.226. 10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm I couldnt even get them right in photoshop after 40 minutes so i opened up fw and in about 40 seconds they were done. ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ I just hope they keep going with the Fireworks programs. I had never used Fireworks until about two years ago. Up until then I was a Photoshop / Image ready person. I only started using Fireworks cause I had to for my new job. However, two years later, Fireworks is by far the best web-development graphics program that I have ever used! Its just so amazing including great symbol library and tweaning animation brought over from Flash style coding. Excellent mouse over image cutting. Excellent auto shapes. Other than that the crazy ass filters that Adobe has going for it, I can't find a single thing that I find easier and faster to do in Photoshop. PLUS, image optimization is 1000 time better in Fireworks. I can get a high quality jpeg to be like 14K in Fireworks... and equivalent looking jpeg in Adobe is like 40+ K (no one else at my company can get Adobe to optimize well, even those that don't like Fireworks). Adobe, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep the fireworks programs moving forward for web developers. ....................... Ben Nadel Web Developer Nylon Technology 6 West 14th Street New York, NY 10011 212.691.1134 212.691.3477 fax www.nylontechnology.com "Vote for Pedro"

>lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg Jeez, who hasn't? ;-) M!ke

>lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg Wait, you mean the one on the left or right? M!ke

We hired a guy that loves PS.  When I watch him do tasks in PS that require more keystrokes or mouse movements than FW, it makes me chuckle. I used to love Paint Shop Pro since I came from a place where getting $ for software was a pain.  Since I switched to FW a couple of years ago, I would choose to continue using it. PS may be great for print, but it seems a bit overkill for web. M!ke I hope they keep fw too, like u said, one of the biggest and best things on there is fw blows ps away in saving files much much smaller. Some things are just easier and better in fw, like look at the price boxes here http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm I couldnt even get them right in photoshop after 40 minutes so i opened up fw and in about 40 seconds they were done. ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

I'm no fisherman, but that's a pretty nice site.  I like the enlarging navigation, but I'm not sure about the fish-kisser. http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm

C'mon... he can barely carry that big head of his around as it is... . . . . Ps... Sam looks much better in that shirt than dave does... that?s for sure. http://blog.teenalix.com/?page_id=2 .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com I'm no fisherman, but that's a pretty nice site.  I like the enlarging navigation, but I'm not sure about the fish-kisser. http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm

lol, well im talking about in person not just on puter screen....... ;)~ ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ >lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg Jeez, who hasn't? ;-) M!ke

lol ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ > lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like > http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg That's all they let ya do eh Dave...hang with them...LMAO!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com

tu :) the menu is still rather ugly which im working on and last minute fixes then releasing tonight, at least whats done. im trying really hard not to make any sly comments about fish kissing.... ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ I'm no fisherman, but that's a pretty nice site. I like the enlarging navigation, but I'm not sure about the fish-kisser. http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm

shes got good taste too http://blog.teenalix.com/?page_id=2 ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

I do rather like the factory air on this fine lady. M!ke >http://blog.teenalix.com/?page_id=2

" C'mon... he can barely carry that big head of his around as it is..." i know its kinda like a 3rd leg...... ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ C'mon... he can barely carry that big head of his around as it is... .. .. .. .. Ps... Sam looks much better in that shirt than dave does... that's for sure. http://blog.teenalix.com/?page_id=2 ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com I'm no fisherman, but that's a pretty nice site. I like the enlarging navigation, but I'm not sure about the fish-kisser. http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm

I just watched the Breeze show .. and read the FAQ on the change. Don't you just love those lovely words like "outplacement" and "transition". Imagine telling your bank manager, "I'm just going through this 'transition' thing ..." hmmmmmmm I'd comment there is very little mention of CF in the speel. "How is the combined company structured?" http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.html No word of CF here .. unless I missed something? That Adobe guy smiles too much - would you buy a second hand car of that man?  lol Oh well, we'll see .. My tuppenth, Jenny

Jennifer Gavin-Wear wrote: > No word of CF here .. unless I missed something? I was thinking that too. Lots of mention of Flex, however.  Its pretty obvious that MM/Adobe needs to answer AJAX as a threat to how web applications are built, and Flash has been able to do this flash remoting for some time. But flash sucks to develop with (for developers) and now Flex will make more interesting interfaces to bring these to developers.    But you will still need web services for that to work, so I am surprised they are not   mentioning CF whatsoever in the Flex movies.   They simply mention that it runs on J2EE and that it will run on .Net soon as well. In the Flex examples, they show some neat widgets, but I doubt Flex will be used in big commerce sites where page loads, includes, traffic, affiliate snippets, SEO, conversion, etc are dependant on page loads. That will be interesting to see how things shake out. John McKown President/CEO Delaware.Net, Inc. We Host Fusebox

CF-COMMUNITY PLEASE! :) Will

Lol go back to your hole! Use email rather than archives so you can filter it out ;-) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com CF-COMMUNITY PLEASE! :) Will

"Will there be a reduction in force as a result of this acquisition? Yes. During the week following the close of the transaction, Adobe will begin eliminating positions from the combined workforce" Let's hope that some of our most noted members survive the cut.... Lol go back to your hole! Use email rather than archives so you can filter it out ;-) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com CF-COMMUNITY PLEASE! :) Will