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i will do it for 15/hour...Paul Ihrig 11/20/03 06:28 P The only way to compete is to do better work which includes communications with users and clearJames Goins 11/20/03 06:33 P seriously...Paul Ihrig 11/20/03 06:47 P Where are you located?Dan O'Keefe 11/20/03 07:09 P I feel your pain... and the sad thing is that the rate you mention isn'tC. Hatton Humphrey 11/20/03 07:31 P At 07:25 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:Jeffry Houser 11/20/03 09:48 P Jeffry,C. Hatton Humphrey 11/21/03 12:03 A At 11:57 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:Jeffry Houser 11/21/03 08:02 A > >My annual cost of living is right around $35k/yr.C. Hatton Humphrey 11/21/03 08:17 A ----- Original Message -----James Goins 11/21/03 01:30 P
Author: Paul Ihrig
i will do it for 15/hour... -paul I pasted in from spam emails I received today below: How are we suppose to compete against that at $18 per hour? ---------------------------------------------------------- Offshore IT Services for $18/hr Hi Hong, My name is Mike Smith with Anthem Technologies Inc, an American IT firm with headquarters in New Jersey and Offshore Development center in India. I would like to invite you to a 15-minute conference call to discuss how our services can benefit your company. Outsourcing to Anthem Technologies will expedite your software projects and reduce your time to market. At just $18/hr per developer you can get access to our Certified Microsoft, Sun/Java and IBM certified software developers, ISO 9001 quality services and State-of-the-art facilities. With a dedicated offshore development team, you will be able to produce better quality applications at just a fraction of the time and cost. You will find our rates to be highly competitive at $18/hr. Our Technical Expertise include Microsoft Technologies ASP.NET, ASP, COM/DCOM, Visual Basic, Crystal Reports Java Technologies Swing, EJB, JSP, Servlets, Applets, CORBA, RMI Web Technologies Adobe, Flash, Dream Weaver, Cold Fusion, Director Visual Studio, Visual Cafe, Visual Source Safe Web Servers Apache Web Server, Netscape Enterprise Server MS - Internet Information Server , Rational Rose, XML, Websphere, SGML, WML Databases Oracle, Sybase, MS SQLServer, MYSQL ERP Oracle, SAP, People Soft, Navision, Great Plains, JDE CRM Siebel, Vantive, Clarify ePersonalization Broad Vision, Vignette, Web Methods Wireless Technologies WAP, Nokia Server, WapLite, YoSpace, GPRS, 3G WAP Services Payment Gateways Cyber Source, Cyber Cash Operating Systems Windows 2000/NT, Linux, Unix (Solaris, HP, Sco), MacOS AS/400, Palm OS, Windows CE. Generic Technologies C / Visual C++, UNIX, PERL, CGI, RPG, Lotus Notes Data Migration / Reporting Dboss, Business Objects Security VeriSign Please let me know when you can set aside 15 minutes of your time to discuss how we can assist you in your software application development. Thank you for your time. Regards, Mike Smith Anthem Technologies, Inc.
Author: James Goins
The only way to compete is to do better work which includes communications with users and clear translation of requirements to the final application with a well designed and labeled user interface. These fundamentals are frequently done very poorly with "made in India" applications. The better companies will pay the tab to get better applications. There will always be a market for Mercedes and Porsche as well as a market for the Kia and Hyundai. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Hong Kim To: CF-Jobs-Talk Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: FW: offshore development I pasted in from spam emails I received today below: How are we suppose to compete against that at $18 per hour? ---------------------------------------------------------- Offshore IT Services for $18/hr Hi Hong, My name is Mike Smith with Anthem Technologies Inc, an American IT firm with headquarters in New Jersey and Offshore Development center in India. I would like to invite you to a 15-minute conference call to discuss how our services can benefit your company. Outsourcing to Anthem Technologies will expedite your software projects and reduce your time to market. At just $18/hr per developer you can get access to our Certified Microsoft, Sun/Java and IBM certified software developers, ISO 9001 quality services and State-of-the-art facilities. With a dedicated offshore development team, you will be able to produce better quality applications at just a fraction of the time and cost. You will find our rates to be highly competitive at $18/hr. Our Technical Expertise include Microsoft Technologies ASP.NET, ASP, COM/DCOM, Visual Basic, Crystal Reports Java Technologies Swing, EJB, JSP, Servlets, Applets, CORBA, RMI Web Technologies Adobe, Flash, Dream Weaver, Cold Fusion, Director Visual Studio, Visual Cafe, Visual Source Safe Web Servers Apache Web Server, Netscape Enterprise Server MS - Internet Information Server , Rational Rose, XML, Websphere, SGML, WML Databases Oracle, Sybase, MS SQLServer, MYSQL ERP Oracle, SAP, People Soft, Navision, Great Plains, JDE CRM Siebel, Vantive, Clarify ePersonalization Broad Vision, Vignette, Web Methods Wireless Technologies WAP, Nokia Server, WapLite, YoSpace, GPRS, 3G WAP Services Payment Gateways Cyber Source, Cyber Cash Operating Systems Windows 2000/NT, Linux, Unix (Solaris, HP, Sco), MacOS AS/400, Palm OS, Windows CE. Generic Technologies C / Visual C++, UNIX, PERL, CGI, RPG, Lotus Notes Data Migration / Reporting Dboss, Business Objects Security VeriSign Please let me know when you can set aside 15 minutes of your time to discuss how we can assist you in your software application development. Thank you for your time. Regards, Mike Smith Anthem Technologies, Inc.
Author: Paul Ihrig
seriously... i need a job... i can work in my loved field for 15-75/hour, or what ever will keep me in bacon & miller. or i can role up my sleeves & flip burgers....
Author: Dan O'Keefe
Where are you located? Dan =================== Previous Message Below =================== seriously... i need a job... i can work in my loved field for 15-75/hour, or what ever will keep me in bacon & miller. or i can role up my sleeves & flip burgers.... _____
Author: C. Hatton Humphrey
I feel your pain... and the sad thing is that the rate you mention isn't outside the bounds of what cost of living is for this area (Buffalo). I could actually get away with charging between $15-30 / hr and keep up on the mortgage! I'm going in tomorrow to talk to a car dealership about an Internet Sales Manager position that would at least keep a paycheck and medical coverage. I'd prefer to stay in the programmer field, but I should be able to do contract work as well. Hatton seriously... i need a job... i can work in my loved field for 15-75/hour, or what ever will keep me in bacon & miller. or i can role up my sleeves & flip burgers.... _____
Author: Jeffry Houser
At 07:25 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I feel your pain... and the sad thing is that the rate you mention isn't >outside the bounds of what cost of living is for this area (Buffalo). I >could actually get away with charging between $15-30 / hr and keep up on >the mortgage! And food on the table? And insurance? After Mortgage insurance is my next highest expense. I guess I could accept a lower rate if I was guaranteed 160 hours of work a month; but that doesn't happen. If I hit 80 billable hours a month I'm happy. If I do under 40 I'm hurting. -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer <mailto:jeff@instantcoldfusion.com> Aaron Skye, Guitarist / Songwriter <mailto:aaron@farcryfly.com> -- AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com> Recording Music: <http://www.fcfstudios.com> Original Energetic Acoustic Rock: <http://www.farcryfly.com>
Author: C. Hatton Humphrey
Jeffry, That is figuring in things like that. Most people don't understand the effect of extended fiscal depression on an area but Buffalo is a good case study for it. My annual cost of living is right around $35k/yr. That includes a mortgage, two cars, insurance, food, gas and even a little for entertainment. My first job in the area was a Jr. developer position and paid $32k to start and I left after a year and a half at $37k for a job paying $41.6k (20/hr). Given those kinds of numbers combined with the weather and political climate it is easy to see why a lot of people don't even give this region a second glance. That's why my option of working in DC and still living here is fiscally feasible. I can get a "low paying" job for that region and still afford the $5k per year it will cost me to fly back and forth and still put money in the bank. As far as billable hours, so far I'm still at 0 as a freelancer. That's the downside of being new at all this though, I guess. Hatton. At 07:25 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I feel your pain... and the sad thing is that the rate you mention isn't >outside the bounds of what cost of living is for this area (Buffalo). I >could actually get away with charging between $15-30 / hr and keep up on >the mortgage! And food on the table? And insurance? After Mortgage insurance is my next highest expense. I guess I could accept a lower rate if I was guaranteed 160 hours of work a month; but that doesn't happen. If I hit 80 billable hours a month I'm happy. If I do under 40 I'm hurting.
Author: Jeffry Houser
At 11:57 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: I did the math. As a freelancer, you'll need bill 21-22 hours a week @ $30 an hour to make that. If you can get that much work, its great. >That's why my option of working in DC and still living here is fiscally >feasible. I can get a "low paying" job for that region and still afford >the $5k per year it will cost me to fly back and forth and still put >money in the bank. Didn't you say Buffalo NY? I hope that isn't a daily commute to DC. -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer <mailto:jeff@instantcoldfusion.com> Aaron Skye, Guitarist / Songwriter <mailto:aaron@farcryfly.com> -- AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com> Recording Music: <http://www.fcfstudios.com> Original Energetic Acoustic Rock: <http://www.farcryfly.com>
Author: C. Hatton Humphrey
> >My annual cost of living is right around $35k/yr. > > I did the math. As a freelancer, you'll need bill 21-22 hours a week @ > $30 an hour to make that. If you can get that much work, its great. Or more hours at a lower rate... Or vary the rate according to the complexity of the job. > >That's why my option of working in DC and still living here is fiscally > >feasible. I can get a "low paying" job for that region and still afford > >the $5k per year it will cost me to fly back and forth and still put > >money in the bank. > > Didn't you say Buffalo NY? I hope that isn't a daily commute to DC. No, that would be a weekly commute. I have family there that has already offered living space and I've already worked out the route from Metro to airport. Never said it would be an *easy* solution, but it is an option. Right now I've only got a few of those. Hatton
Author: James Goins
----- Original Message ----- From: C. Hatton Humphrey To: CF-Jobs-Talk Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:11 AM Subject: RE: offshore development > >My annual cost of living is right around $35k/yr. > > I did the math. As a freelancer, you'll need bill 21-22 hours a week @ > $30 an hour to make that. If you can get that much work, its great. Or more hours at a lower rate... Or vary the rate according to the complexity of the job. > >That's why my option of working in DC and still living here is fiscally > >feasible. I can get a "low paying" job for that region and still afford > >the $5k per year it will cost me to fly back and forth and still put > >money in the bank. > > Didn't you say Buffalo NY? I hope that isn't a daily commute to DC. No, that would be a weekly commute. I have family there that has already offered living space and I've already worked out the route from Metro to airport. Never said it would be an *easy* solution, but it is an option. Right now I've only got a few of those. Hatton Hatton, Last month a taught a ColdFusion MX course for 9 programmers from M & T Bank there in Buffalo. It was a customized course which included integrating CFMX with XML and Java along with an introductory lesson on XML. I was very impressed by their project manager (Michelle) and the scope of their multiple projects they are undertaking with ColdFusion MX. They recently hired a contractor in CF who has less experience than you do (as per your communications here). I think you should contact M & T's programming department and ask for Michelle (I don't have her last name or email currently, but could probably get them for you from my training broker if needed). I think their normal pay range for full-time employees is 45,000 - 55,000. If you communicated that you would be very happy to come in as a contractor at $20 an hour, that might be very attractive to her. She is a very fair person and one of the best project managers I have ever dealt with. I know that they have a lot of big plans for CFMX development. They might be very interested in an experienced guy at an affordable rate. Give it a try. Best Regards, Jim Goins
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