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02/18/2012 02:47 PM

"The US bribes and bullies nations as a matter routine policy." I do believe you are missing the point completely.  A country that complains that global warming is going to cause it to be covered in water has to be bribed to sign the Copenhagen accord. "This is typically referred to as 'American Exceptionalism'" I don't believe so.  American Exceptionalism means that the United States is exceptional or different from other countries. The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people. - Alexis de Tocqueville (Democracy in America) Did you mean "Manifest Destiny"? "Isn't that a core Republican Party value?" Apparently, it's a core Democratic Party Value.  Since a Democrat is in the White House, I would imagine they are against it right now.  When a Republican is back in the White house, they will surely make it a priority. Regardless, it's not something our Fathers wanted.  "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is — in extending our commercial relations — to have with them as little political connection as possible." -  George Washington "Is your point, therefore, that you disagree with American Exceptualism" I agree in American Exceptualism.  Not American meddling. J - In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again - Edward Gibbon On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Gruss Gott <> wrote: > > The US bribes and bullies nations as a matter routine policy.  This is > typically referred to as "American Exceptionalism" > > Isn't that a core Republican Party value?  An aggressive foreign policy > that promotes American philosophy?  Wasn't that the entire justification > for the invasion of Iraq?  "That the World is better off ( so says W) > without Hussein"? > > Is your point, therefore, that you disagree with American Exceptualism > (which includes bribing and bullying foreign countries to align them to US > policy)? > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Jerry Barnes <> wrote: > > > > > "A.) That Wikipedia isn't always accurate or" > > > > Did you mean wikileaks? > > > > > > "B.) That politicians say things in exchange for money or" > > > > That's a truism.  Some would have you believe that all members of one > party > > do it and no members of the opposition do it, but they would be wrong. > > > > > > "C.) That the US tries to influence others to its policy views?" > > > > Another truism. > > > > > > "Because none of that seems surprising unless I'm missing something ..." > > > > Possibly. > > > > > > "Is the point ... " > > > > more concerned with the policy?  Yes. Specifically, the necessity of > having > > to bribe or bully nations into accepting a policy that is supposedly a > > consensus and one that is trying to save the world. > > > > J > > > > - > > > > In other words, a democratic government is the only one in which those > who > > vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it. - Alexis de > Tocqueville > > > > > > > >

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