CFUN

I just got the ok from my company to pay for me to go to CFUN. I'm psyched, this will be the first CF based conference I have ever gone to. Hopefully I will get to meet some of you from here. Ben

I'll be there Ben, introduce yourself. I'm giving 2 talks this year, Creating Accessible Web forms and CSS for Better Sites (These are both on the new Accessibility Track!) Sandy Clark   _____   I just got the ok from my company to pay for me to go to CFUN. I'm psyched, this will be the first CF based conference I have ever gone to. Hopefully I will get to meet some of you from here. Ben

I'll be there as will Judith. I'm speaking on remote data and hopefully some RegEx talks if there's space. As a side note and thanks, it was Sandy's help that allowed me to get the HoF archives sidebar looking like it does. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

You don't get to meet me. My company doesn't like to pay for me to attend conferences. : ( I've missed so many CF events, I feel distant fro the other developers. M I just got the ok from my company to pay for me to go to CFUN. I'm psyched, this will be the first CF based conference I have ever gone to. Hopefully I will get to meet some of you from here. Ben

Well this is the first company I have worked for that has approved me going to something like this. I have always felt I was missing out on so much too. You don't get to meet me. My company doesn't like to pay for me to attend conferences. : ( I've missed so many CF events, I feel distant fro the other developers. M I just got the ok from my company to pay for me to go to CFUN. I'm psyched, this will be the first CF based conference I have ever gone to. Hopefully I will get to meet some of you from here. Ben ________________________________

If this is your first time, you will be very happy. CFUN is the best CF conference - period. (Of course, I've not attended MXDU which I hear is pretty good as well.) But anyway - consistently I can say CFUN is the one most worth your $$. (As a speaker I'm a bit biased, but my presentations suck anyway. ;) -ray ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'll second that. What you get out of CFun hugely outweighs its cost. Just being able to sit down with an expert or two in the hall or over drinks to ask a direct question usually pays for the entire event. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

My two favorites events: CFUN or any Michael Smith organized event and The CF-Community Suite at Devcon a couple of years ago. The knowledge I learn from them and Adam Churvis' classes are what keeps us going. Meeting all the day-in, day-out CF people and getting to know them is a fantastic plus. Of course DevCon is a great event overall ... but I'm a chatter box and a party person, so you all know that I like the one on one, cozy atmosphere of a smaller group. :D We're paid up for CFUN this year (paid last year), but have not registered our intent to come. I've been lazy and keep forgetting. :D I shall do it soon ... It'll be our first US event in several years ... Cheers, Erika I'll second that. What you get out of CFun hugely outweighs its cost. Just being able to sit down with an expert or two in the hall or over drinks to ask a direct question usually pays for the entire event.

Just took a look at the CFUN site... There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? I know it says schedules will be posted soon...but can anybody who's previously been discuss how many actual "classroom" type sessions one would be going to per day? ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? I know - I've been telling Michael Smith he needs to increase it to 3 or 4. :) -rc

For sure! I've got so much material that people really can use that 1 hour is not enough. I'm quite positive that all the other speakers are in the same boat. Add the fact that people can get really upset when two speakers they want to hear from are speaking at the same time and you see a need for more time. As is, I'm going to have to 'limit' my talk on remote data to the basics of email grabbing (using google news) and really focusing on the steps and ways of grabbing web data (from a fusetalk forums for example). Last time I gave this talk it was 2.5 hours. I'm really going to have to work to get it down. :) > > There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? > > I know - I've been telling Michael Smith he needs to increase it to 3 or 4. > :) > > -rc

The situation is that if the conference goes longer its going to cost more. Its around $299 (last minute) now for 2 days.  How much more would people be willing to spend to make it 3 or 4 days?   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:43 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CFUN For sure! I've got so much material that people really can use that 1 hour is not enough. I'm quite positive that all the other speakers are in the same boat. Add the fact that people can get really upset when two speakers they want to hear from are speaking at the same time and you see a need for more time. As is, I'm going to have to 'limit' my talk on remote data to the basics of email grabbing (using google news) and really focusing on the steps and ways of grabbing web data (from a fusetalk forums for example). Last time I gave this talk it was 2.5 hours. I'm really going to have to work to get it down. :) > > There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? > > I know - I've been telling Michael Smith he needs to increase it to 3 or 4. > :) > > -rc > > > >   _____  

At 11:55 AM 2/26/2004, you wrote: >The situation is that if the conference goes longer its going to cost more. >Its around $299 (last minute) now for 2 days.  How much more would people be >willing to spend to make it 3 or 4 days? How about $100 each additional day? -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600.

well, another problem with additional days is that you're now cutting into the work week. i didn't mean to stir up the pot...it's just that my first reaction upon looking at the site was, "holy crap.  that's a lot of content.  holy crap. this is only two days." /shrugs > At 11:55 AM 2/26/2004, you wrote: > > >The situation is that if the conference goes longer its going to cost more. > >Its around $299 (last minute) now for 2 days.  How much more would people be ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

take good notes ... follow up with the speakers and ask questions via email. talk to the list. we could all brainstorm in here ... :D For that matter ... we (Phil and I) could set up a CF-Fun Forum where participants would be welcome to pester peeps with questions .... ? Sandy? Cheers, Erika well, another problem with additional days is that you're now cutting into the work week. i didn't mean to stir up the pot...it's just that my first reaction upon looking at the site was, "holy crap.  that's a lot of content.  holy crap. this is only two days."

Can I hold off on that.  I'm swamped. Creating 2 presentations for the conference, abstracts for other possible conferences, possibly creating a CSS class as well.   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:29 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: CFUN take good notes ... follow up with the speakers and ask questions via email. talk to the list. we could all brainstorm in here ... :D For that matter ... we (Phil and I) could set up a CF-Fun Forum where participants would be welcome to pester peeps with questions .... ? Sandy? Cheers, Erika well, another problem with additional days is that you're now cutting into the work week. i didn't mean to stir up the pot...it's just that my first reaction upon looking at the site was, "holy crap.  that's a lot of content.  holy crap. this is only two days."   _____  

I can certainly see where people would get upset if two speakers they want to hear from are presenting simultaneously.  But the reality of it is that the cost is so ridiculously cheap that an "either/or" scenario is still worthwhile (IMO). I just put in a request to the boss to send me.  I'm sure the cost of the convention itself won't be a problem...and the fact that it's on a weekend can only help.  The biggest obstacle might be the transportation/lodging (I'd be coming from AZ). As far as having to limit your material...will there be any takeaways given that show/detail the full preso? Hey...a dvd maybe?  "Michael Dinowitz - The Uncut Version*".  Now with deleted scenes and director's commentary. * (of course, now i have to beat Mr. Braver to the obvious bris joke...) : ) > For sure! I've got so much material that people really can use that 1 hour > is not enough. I'm quite positive that all the other speakers are in the > same boat. Add the fact that people can get really upset when two speakers > they want to hear from are speaking at the same time and you see a need for > more time. > As is, I'm going to have to 'limit' my talk on remote data to the basics of > email grabbing (using google news) and really focusing on the steps and ways > of grabbing web data (from a fusetalk forums for example). Last time I gave > this talk it was 2.5 hours. I'm really going to have to work to get it down. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Actually, if Michael Smith can pull it off, a video tape of all the presentations for later sale would be fantastic. > As far as having to limit your material...will there be any takeaways given > that show/detail the full preso? > > Hey...a dvd maybe?  "Michael Dinowitz - The Uncut Version*".  Now with > deleted scenes and director's commentary.

/go for it <vbg> I didn't want to see pics of a 7-day-old MikeyD anyway... -Ben ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'm the same way... I'm hoping to be able to speak at some of the conferences coming up, but it may not be until next year. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I know that both Tim and I have been to the last few CF-Fun. Sandy is a speaker. AS are Michael D etc. So there will be a few of us there. Should we all try for a get together on the Sunday of the conference? larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Where's information on the conference?  Since I'm now my own boss I don't know if my company is going to be sending me or not. Hatton > I know that both Tim and I have been to the last few CF-Fun. > Sandy is a speaker. AS are Michael D etc. So there will be a > few of us there. Should we all try for a get together on the > Sunday of the conference? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004

Here you go. http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ C. Hatt > Where's information on the conference?  Since I'm now my own boss I don't > know if my company is going to be sending me or not. > > Hatton > > <http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39>;

Are there any (unofficial) 'kick-off' events the friday before (for non-speakers)? ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- don't ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

If anyone wants to get together afterwards for drinks, let me know. M     Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:39 AM   To: CF-Community   Subject: RE: CFUN         I know that both Tim and I have been to the last few CF-Fun. Sandy is a   speaker. AS are Michael D etc. So there will be a few of us there. Should we   all try for a get together on the Sunday of the conference?      larry        > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:10 AM   > To: CF-Community   > Subject: CFUN   >   >   > I just got the ok from my company to pay for me to go to   > CFUN. I'm psyched, this will be the first CF based conference   > I have ever gone to. Hopefully I will get to meet some of you   > from here.   >   > Ben   >   >   _____     

If anyone wants to watch my three br... kids so my wife and I go join in the drinks, let me know as well. ;) -rc p.s. I can't wait till my oldest is old enough to actually attend one of my presentations. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

maybe some CFood? ;-) I know that both Tim and I have been to the last few CF-Fun. Sandy is a speaker. AS are Michael D etc. So there will be a few of us there. Should we all try for a get together on the Sunday of the conference? larry Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e232)

That would be great, I would be up for that. I know that both Tim and I have been to the last few CF-Fun. Sandy is a speaker. AS are Michael D etc. So there will be a few of us there. Should we all try for a get together on the Sunday of the conference? larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ________________________________

No doubt. Everyone agrees. M >  (As a speaker I'm a bit biased, but my presentations suck anyway. ;) -ray

That's definitely a possibility. larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Sunday works for me. (If I'm not totally drained by then) If I am, heck, I'll do it anyways! Sandy   _____   ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----   _____  

Well, even the cost is not that much at all. I was actually surprised how cheap it was. I'll second that. What you get out of CFun hugely outweighs its cost. Just being able to sit down with an expert or two in the hall or over drinks to ask a direct question usually pays for the entire event. > If this is your first time, you will be very happy. CFUN is the best CF > conference - period. (Of course, I've not attended MXDU which I hear is > pretty good as well.) But anyway - consistently I can say CFUN is the one > most worth your $$. (As a speaker I'm a bit biased, but my presentations ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ________________________________

Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to Reagan National instead? I can certainly see where people would get upset if two speakers they want to hear from are presenting simultaneously.  But the reality of it is that the cost is so ridiculously cheap that an "either/or" scenario is still worthwhile (IMO). I just put in a request to the boss to send me.  I'm sure the cost of the convention itself won't be a problem...and the fact that it's on a weekend can only help.  The biggest obstacle might be the transportation/lodging (I'd be coming from AZ). As far as having to limit your material...will there be any takeaways given that show/detail the full preso? Hey...a dvd maybe?  "Michael Dinowitz - The Uncut Version*".  Now with deleted scenes and director's commentary. * (of course, now i have to beat Mr. Braver to the obvious bris joke...) : ) > For sure! I've got so much material that people really can use that 1 hour > is not enough. I'm quite positive that all the other speakers are in the > same boat. Add the fact that people can get really upset when two speakers > they want to hear from are speaking at the same time and you see a need for > more time. > As is, I'm going to have to 'limit' my talk on remote data to the basics of > email grabbing (using google news) and really focusing on the steps and ways > of grabbing web data (from a fusetalk forums for example). Last time I gave > this talk it was 2.5 hours. I'm really going to have to work to get it down. > :) > > > > > There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? > > > > I know - I've been telling Michael Smith he needs to increase it to 3 or ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ________________________________

Either of those, or Dulles (IAD).  You get the airport, I'll send you the directions.  (BWI is about 45 miles from Rockville, Dulles is about 25-30, Reagan is about 20.)   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:05 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: CFUN Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to Reagan National instead? I can certainly see where people would get upset if two speakers they want to hear from are presenting simultaneously.  But the reality of it is that the cost is so ridiculously cheap that an "either/or" scenario is still worthwhile (IMO). I just put in a request to the boss to send me.  I'm sure the cost of the convention itself won't be a problem...and the fact that it's on a weekend can only help.  The biggest obstacle might be the transportation/lodging (I'd be coming from AZ). As far as having to limit your material...will there be any takeaways given that show/detail the full preso? Hey...a dvd maybe?  "Michael Dinowitz - The Uncut Version*".  Now with deleted scenes and director's commentary. * (of course, now i have to beat Mr. Braver to the obvious bris joke...) : ) > For sure! I've got so much material that people really can use that 1 hour > is not enough. I'm quite positive that all the other speakers are in the > same boat. Add the fact that people can get really upset when two speakers > they want to hear from are speaking at the same time and you see a need for > more time. > As is, I'm going to have to 'limit' my talk on remote data to the basics of > email grabbing (using google news) and really focusing on the steps and ways > of grabbing web data (from a fusetalk forums for example). Last time I gave > this talk it was 2.5 hours. I'm really going to have to work to get it down. > :) > > > > > There certainly seems to be a lot of content...but over only 2 days? > > > > I know - I've been telling Michael Smith he needs to increase it to 3 or ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ________________________________   _____  

mapquest. :) Actually, if anyone is driving down from NY and has some space, Judith and I will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or train. > Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to > come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on > the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The > flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to > Reagan National instead?

You may want to take a look – I’m probably going and thought to save some money by going (from Boston) by train – 8 hour trip and a $270 round-trip price tag (Amtrak).  The Air Bus from Logan however is only $131 round-trip (according to Expedia) and the trip is only 1 ½ hours. Sometimes it’s cheaper to fly. Jim   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:08 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CFUN mapquest. :) Actually, if anyone is driving down from NY and has some space, Judith and I will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or train. > Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to > come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on > the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The > flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to > Reagan National instead?   _____  

damn...according to Orbitz I'd have to fly from Phx to Pittsburgh, then hop one of them there Air Buses to DC. > You may want to take a look - I'm probably going and thought to save some > money by going (from Boston) by train - 8 hour trip and a $270 round-trip > price tag (Amtrak).  The Air Bus from Logan however is only $131 round-trip ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- I > will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Yay!  I just got the green light from my wife to put it on the calendar! It'll be just me, she and the kidlet will stay at home, but it'll get me out o the house for a weekend at least. Oh, and I just got offered a part time job to teach two classes at ITT Tech. Extra cash never hurts anything! Man, what a cool day! Hatton > You may want to take a look – I’m probably going and thought > to save some money by going (from Boston) by train – 8 hour > trip and a $270 round-trip price tag (Amtrak).  The Air Bus > from Logan however is only $131 round-trip (according to > Expedia) and the trip is only 1 ½ hours. >   > Sometimes it’s cheaper to fly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004

Well, I wasn't planning on renting a car so that's why I asked which would be the best. On the CFUN site they only take about getting to the Hotel from Reagan National on the metro rail. mapquest. :) Actually, if anyone is driving down from NY and has some space, Judith and I will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or train. > Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to > come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on > the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The > flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to > Reagan National instead? ________________________________

Reagan is the only airport in the area which is served by Metro. There are Super Shuttles which you can take from either Dulles or BWI. I'm not sure of the costs, but you can try them online (they are the blue shuttles).   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: CFUN Well, I wasn't planning on renting a car so that's why I asked which would be the best. On the CFUN site they only take about getting to the Hotel from Reagan National on the metro rail. mapquest. :) Actually, if anyone is driving down from NY and has some space, Judith and I will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or train. > Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to > come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on > the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The > flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to > Reagan National instead? ________________________________   _____  

> Reagan is the only airport in the area which is served by Metro. You know, I'll never get used to hearing it called Reagan. I'll probably always call it Washington National. Grew up flying in and out of there and I'm not about to change. -Kevin

Thanks Sandy. Reagan is the only airport in the area which is served by Metro. There are Super Shuttles which you can take from either Dulles or BWI. I'm not sure of the costs, but you can try them online (they are the blue shuttles).   _____ Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: CFUN Well, I wasn't planning on renting a car so that's why I asked which would be the best. On the CFUN site they only take about getting to the Hotel from Reagan National on the metro rail. mapquest. :) Actually, if anyone is driving down from NY and has some space, Judith and I will be more than happy to pay for gas. Otherwise we're going down by bus or train. > Does anyone that is from that area know which airport would be best to > come in to? I'm doing up all the necessary forms for my company I see on > the CFUN site there are only directions from Reagan National. The > flights I was looking at land in BWI. Should I try to get a flight to > Reagan National instead? ________________________________   _____ ________________________________

From my limited experience with the SuperShuttles in this area, is that it costs around $20 or so to go from Dulles to the outer suburbs. There is a MARC train that goes from BWI to Union Station, there you could catch the Metro. However all in all, I think that you would be better off flying into Ronnie Raygun and taking the Metro from there. larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> From my limited experience with the SuperShuttles in this > area, is that it costs around $20 or so to go from Dulles to > the outer suburbs. There is a MARC train that goes from BWI > to Union Station, there you could catch the Metro. > > However all in all, I think that you would be better off > flying into Ronnie Raygun and taking the Metro from there. I interviewed in the area, flew into BWI and then took the train down to get picked up from Huntington METRO station down in Alexandria.  My experiences were: - MARC only runs Monday through Friday.  A ticket from Union Station to BWI is something around $9 one way.  On the weekends Amtrak makes the runs. However, the tickets on the weekends are $20 one way.  My Amtrak train was about 2 hours late, but that was because of the very bad weather system. - MARC and Metro connect up at Union Station on the Red Line.  I don't know if it would make more sense to take a taxi from the Airport to the hotel though. - You can fly into BWI via Southwest.  They don't fly into any other airport in the DC Metro.  I'm looking at $78 plus taxes and fees to fly roundtrip from Buffalo to Baltimore. Hope these help someone.  I can't make my travel plans until the middle of next month anyway so I'm not sure if I'm going to try and get a room at the hotel or look into arranging something with family that I have in the area. Until Later! Hatton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004

You can thank the Ronald Reagan Project for that. It's a group of Republicans whose goal is to have a major feature in every county in the US named after the gipper. They've also proposed carving his likeness in Mt. Rushmore. larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Yeah, I know all about it. -Kevin > You can thank the Ronald Reagan Project for that. It's a group of > Republicans whose goal is to have a major feature in every county in the US > named after the gipper. They've also proposed carving his likeness in Mt. > Rushmore.

They also tried to get Reagan to replace FDR on the US dime.  I was amused when I saw an informed interviewer ask one of these pundits why FDR should be removed from the dime as there is a compelling reason why his image is there in the first place. Informed interviewer: 1 Pundit: 0 Cha-ching :)   You can thank the Ronald Reagan Project for that. It's a group of   Republicans whose goal is to have a major feature in every county in the US   named after the gipper. They've also proposed carving his likeness in Mt.   Rushmore.   larry   > > Reagan is the only airport in the area which is served by Metro.   >   > You know, I'll never get used to hearing it called Reagan.   > I'll probably always call it Washington National. Grew up   > flying in and out of there and I'm not about to change.   >   > -Kevin   >   >   >

The real cute thing about it is that they want this mandated, but provide no money for it. So it cost Arlington County about a million to make all the changes. larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Hey, I have good news too! They need me in programming so I am getting pulled in. I can choose to transition there entirely or in part if I want. Not that I don't like support work, but there isn't any room for advancement here and I need more intellectual challenge to continue having fun. Will be learning .NET programming and more JavaScript. yay! -Patrick Oh, and I just got offered a part time job to teach two classes at ITT Tech. Extra cash never hurts anything! Man, what a cool day! Hatton Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e232)

Congrats, Patrick! -Ben ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Sounds excellent. Congrats. larry ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

thanks! :-) Sounds excellent. Congrats. larry Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e230)

Thanks Ben! cheers, Patrick Congrats, Patrick! -Ben Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e232)