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Author: Dana
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151609
Must have been from different bands as it's the same tribe
http://www.native-languages.org/chippewa.htm
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:37:54 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<larryclyons@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151603
Its been years, and I might be wrong, what I do remember is that the
Chippewa and Objibwa would get into very nasty fights in the bars in
and around Kenora Ontario.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:29:10 -0600, Dana <dana.tierney@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Dana
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151597
you sure? I was going by his post where he makes reference to an
Ojibwe-language teacher. Maybe they are subgroups? But I know nothing
at all about Chippewa, as opposed to very little about the Ojibwe.
Still, I suspect my comments still apply. Some tribes have a men's
society or a warrior society that trains young boys... I wonder if
such a group would have helped. If it was part of the culture that is.
And for all I know it is, and he turned down the opportunity to join.
Dana
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:48:13 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<larryclyons@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Gruss Gott
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151591
> Dana wrote:
> I *could* point out that Gruss doesn't want us to interfere in
> families.
Have some guts! You took the shot anyway, you just pointed it over my
head. I not so entirely humorless that I wouldn't have laughed -
which I did. Good one :)
You're right though, I think the gov't should stay out of family
business *unless* there's a clear and present danger to the community
which, in this case, there was. In that case I think the government
definitely has the right to approach the family privately to make the
case.
You're trying to compare apples and oranges.
Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151589
It was so long ago that I am most likely mistaken.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:39:24 -0600, Kevin Graeme <kgraeme@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151588
I worked as an intern at a small, regional heritage museum several
years ago. It was just south of Chippewa County in Wisconsin and they
had an exhibit of the local native American peoples and IIRC it
heavily featured the Ojibwe. I can't really speak to any historical
rivalries of the nations though.
-Kevin
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:22:56 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<larryclyons@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151585
Interesting. I grew up just north of there - in Manitoba and
northwestern Ontario. That area is mostly Northern Cree and Chippewa.
From what I remember people from those nations/tribes did not get
along with the Objibwa.
Then again, I could just be misremembering.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:13:51 -0600, Kevin Graeme <kgraeme@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151581
On the Nationalist (neo-nazi) forum that he reputedly posted to he
mentioned his Ojibwe teachers.
-Kevin
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:48:13 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<larryclyons@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not Objibwa, Chippewa. Different nation entirely. Same circumstances though.
>
>
larry
Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151577
Not Objibwa, Chippewa. Different nation entirely. Same circumstances though.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:29:58 -0600, Dana <dana.tierney@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Dana
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151570
Yes and there are definite issues... supposing someone had "done
something"? What would that have been exactly? The grandfather
presumably was trying. If he was a tribal police officer odds are he
was respected and had a good grasp of the culture. I wonder if he
tried any sort of ceremony. Who else was there? All of his teachers,
he says, were white. The Ojibwe I talked to in Sault Ste Marie
considered their culture endangered. Certainy it seens as though this
kid had some issues with cultural identity and would not have
responded well to a teacher reaching out, nor to a peer, all of whome
he considered too wrapped up in african-american culture... I don't
know much about Ojibwe culture but it's a shame there wasn't a warrior
society or something of the kind to take this kid in hand.
I *could* point out that Gruss doesn't want us to interfere in
families. But that would be a cheap shot and really the kid deserves
more than to be a point in an ideological debate.
Dana
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:54:24 -0600, Kevin Graeme <kgraeme@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Greg Morphis
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151569
I'm surprised people haven't started blaming music and games for this
like they do almost every time.. "He was playing GTA the day before,
that has to be why he did it! Let's sue Rock Star!" or "He was
listening to Type O Negative, thats why he did it".
I don't feel sorry for this kid.. I know a lot of people who had it
hard growing up.. thats no reason to go and take lives.. this kid
deserves a shitty afterlife too.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:16:58 -0600, G <brian.grant@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:
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Author: G
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151567
Any sitcom that can get away with a male character named "Boner"....is a
winner in my book
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Author: Gruss Gott
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151565
> Jim wrote:
> >> this sounds like a fairly good set of predictors for a shooting.
>
> Well, that or a very special episode of "Growing Pains".
>
ROTFL! This is sad, but it's good to have a laugh too.
Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151564
Still sounds like a lot of kids I knew growing up that turned out
fine. Sometimes it's a fine line between predicting the act and the
desire. Surviving the teenage years is a bitch. It's amazing to me
that so many of us do.
-Kevin
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:20:04 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<larryclyons@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151562
Or an after school special.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:24:22 -0600, Jim Campbell <jim@inomi.com> wrote:
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Author: Jim Campbell
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151561
>> this sounds like a fairly good set of predictors for a shooting.
Well, that or a very special episode of "Growing Pains".
- Jim
Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151560
But not in combination. Moreover given what the kid has gone through
in the last 5 or six years - father killing himself after a police
shootout, mother in a coma after an accident, facination with
firearms,death, dying and killing, the attraction to neonazis, major
problems with a strict and very rigid caretaker, etc., to me this
screams major problems. Hell he was arrested almost a year ago because
of a school shooting plot. In addition we're talking about a reserve
where there is over 40% unemployment, rampant alcoholism, glue
sniffing etc.
this sounds like a fairly good set of predictors for a shooting.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:06:21 -0500, Ray Champagne <ray@cvwp.com> wrote:
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Author: Ray Champagne
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151558
What else is sad is that the signs are probably there for hundreds of kids
across the nation right now, as we speak. But - we'll say the same thing
the next time:
"What a tragedy, this is so sad and it could have been prevented."
Hindsight is 20/20, I guess.
At 01:01 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
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Author: Larry C. Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151556
Real sad. It looks like all the signs were there but no one paid any attention.
larry
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:24:48 -0500, Howie Hamlin <howie@coolfusion.com>
wrote:
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0323051weise1.html
Author: Gruss Gott
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151401
> Jochem wrote:
>
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Dlr86foA5hcJ:www.nazi.org/current/forum/YaBB.cgi%3Fboard%3Dnativeamerican%3Baction%3Dprint%3Bnum%3D1079672948+%22Jeff+Weise%22++Todesengel
>
Holy
Sh1t!
Author: Gruss Gott
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151395
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This is all over the news here. One thing to note is that this
happened on an Indian reservation that's pretty remote and pretty
impoverished. There's no doubt it's a tragedy, but I agree with you:
The kid is teased all of the time, wears a black trench coat with
other goth accessories, is fascinated with Nazi propaganda and
gruesome images, and told a few people he was going to do it. Not to
mention his Dad committed suicide and his mother suffered brain damage
in an accident and was living 100s of miles away.
Author: Paul Ihrig
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:16551#151392
yeh..
any one who is considering suicide as an alt out should really look at
how it can affect those around you.
his dad killed himn self 4 years earlier.
very sad.
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