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The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

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02/10/2012 10:56 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains?intcmp=122 Meltwater from Asia's peaks is much less than previously estimated, but lead scientist says the loss of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern ...

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02/10/2012 11:11 AM

Science is a continual journey of discovery. We should act in prudence in our time given what we know now, but we should never refuse to reconsider that which we hold today to be truth. Those who preach that the science is clear, and that global warming is a threat, are absolutely correct. Those who deny such are idiots. C0nversely, those who say we must make such drastic moves as to cripple ourselves both now and in the future in response to this threat, are equally wrong. Global warming IS a threat....republicans....but it will not destroy us in 100 years, Mr. Gore. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Cameron Childress <cameronc@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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02/10/2012 02:27 PM

> Science is a continual journey of discovery. We should act in prudence in > our time given what we know now, but we should never refuse to reconsider > that which we hold today to be truth. > > Those who preach that the science is clear, and that global warming is a > threat, are absolutely correct. Those who deny such are idiots. That's just stupid. The climate changes, duh. To say it's getting warmer and not colder is stupid. We know it will change we just don't know which way. That is why the liars stopped calling it global warming and now call it Climate Change.

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02/10/2012 11:18 AM

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Cameron Childress <cameronc@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- Italy, like most of Europe, is experiencing icy temperatures, with the Venice lagoon freezing over for the first time in more than 20 years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2012/feb/07/frozen-venice-in-pictures

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02/10/2012 11:36 AM

Yes, but why that is happening is predicted by the consensus AGW model. Less ice in the arctic, sea warms up a bit then that creates warmer air that is trapped near the surface. That diverts the arctic air streams towards Europe. I'll have to dig up the news article about that. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions <casey@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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02/10/2012 02:59 PM

Nobody understands how our climate systems work nor can they predict them with any accuracy. What we know factually is: * the earth has more co2 in the atmosphere than anytime in the last 20 million years * 10 of warmest years in modern times have occurred in the last 11 years * arctic and Antarctic ice is melting at unprecedented rates and accelerating.   Ice that was measured at millions of years old is now melted.  E.g., the northwest passage is open. It's getting warmer, period.  Whether that will kill us in 5 years, 50 years, or 500 years is not known nor predictable. Given the rate of acceleration, I'd say we have about 50 years. Acceleration, like compound interest, is a concept that humans have never been able to grasp; I.e. try to visualize an apple doubling every day. A few weeks and things don't look worrisome on the apple front.  A few months and things start looking pretty bad. Global warming looks to be accelerating like apples.  Qed. On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions <casey@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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02/10/2012 03:37 PM

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Al Gore's Bitch wrote: > > Nobody understands how our climate systems work nor can they predict them with any accuracy. > > What we know factually is: > * the earth has more co2 in the atmosphere than anytime in the last 20 million years Nope. But it is at a high point > * 10 of warmest years in modern times have occurred in the last 11 years Modern times meaning last 50 then true. Otherwise false. > * arctic and Antarctic ice is melting at unprecedented rates and accelerating.  Ice that was measured at millions of years old is now melted.  E.g., the northwest passage is open. While the Arctic was losing ice the Antarctic was gaining making it a wash. > It's getting warmer, period.  Whether that will kill us in 5 years, 50 years, or 500 years is not known nor predictable. Tell that to the Europeans. > Given the rate of acceleration, I'd say we have about 50 years. Too funny. > Acceleration, like compound interest, is a concept that humans have never been able to grasp; I.e. try to visualize an apple doubling every day. Hide the decline only works on those that let it. > A few weeks and things don't look worrisome on the apple front.  A few months and things start looking pretty bad. If you worship the Gore > Global warming looks to be accelerating like apples.  Qed. That's makes about as much sense as the models they've been using to predict Manhattan would be 20 feet under water.

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02/10/2012 03:13 PM

Here's a visualization of acceleration, a penny that doubles every day: http://www.militaryinvestors.com/penny%20doubled.htm It looks like if we use the apple question, after 2 weeks we'd have like 15,000 apples.  Manageable. But after a month we'd have 10 billion.  Trouble. The thing with global warming is we're dealing with 2 concepts humans don't get: acceleration and weather. "warming" just means more energy to the climate.  Nobody knows if that means more ice here and less there. What we do know is that it'll mean accelerating global climate change. And we know, using the apple example, we're in week one and acceleration is a bitch. On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Camer ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----


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