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Romney sources say if he knew he had to release taxes, He wouldn't have run

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Sticking with huffpo just for kicks:
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07/19/12 09:57 A
Wow.
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07/19/12 10:44 A
How about his golf handicap?
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07/19/12 11:19 A
How were they forgeries?
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07/19/12 11:14 A
Based on this:
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07/19/12 11:36 A
That ended all arguments for me right there.
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07/19/12 08:11 P
Did you look at it?
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07/19/12 10:06 P
"How about his golf handicap?"
** Private **
07/19/12 10:29 P
What did I tell you about the huffpo?
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07/20/12 10:36 A
> What did I tell you about the huffpo?
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07/20/12 10:40 A
He doesn't need to.
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07/20/12 10:44 A
Like we vetted the current guy?
** Private **
07/20/12 04:31 P
Wow you turned me into a racist?
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07/20/12 04:49 P
"That's it. Anything else is irrelevant."
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07/20/12 10:31 P
Have at it
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07/22/12 03:21 P
Maybe Ken Starr is available.
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07/22/12 10:47 P
"Maybe Ken Starr is available. "
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07/23/12 07:57 A
I know you don't.
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07/20/12 04:41 P
> Where's Reagan?
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07/21/12 01:32 A
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07/19/2012 02:03 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1682539.html " Mitt Romney has been determined to resist releasing his tax returns at least since his bid for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and has been confident that he will never be forced to do so, several current and former Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the sources based on their longtime understanding of Romney, he never would have gone forward with his run for president."

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07/19/2012 02:45 AM

My question is why in the world he would run on his business record if he didn't want anyone to examine it. Apparently we were just supposed to believe what the tv ads told us? On Jul 18, 2012 11:03 PM, "Vivec" <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 08:31 AM

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Dana <dana.tierney@gmail.com> wrote: > My question is why in the world he would run on his business record if he > didn't want anyone to examine it. Apparently we were just supposed to > believe what the tv ads told us? > It's simple. Wall Street knows best, you should just shut up and listen to them.

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07/19/2012 08:42 AM

Huffpo using unnamed sources. That's got to be true. They forgot to mention he turned his returns over to McCain when he was being vetted as VP. And McCain says there's nothing there. Kind of blows a giant hole in the huffpo hit piece. Why didn't they vet Obama? Who paid for his Ivy league education? . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 08:56 AM

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: > Huffpo using unnamed sources. That's got to be true. > > They forgot to mention he turned his returns over to McCain when he > was being vetted as VP. And McCain says there's nothing there. > News stories always quote sources that cannot be name directly. 9 out of 10 articles say sources, or cannot release name because they are not authorized to talk to press on the matter. McCain went with Palin because of those tax records, not because she was a better Candidate.

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07/19/2012 09:12 AM

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions <casey@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > News stories always quote sources that cannot be name directly. 9 out of 10 > articles say sources, or cannot release name because they are not > authorized to talk to press on the matter. But Huffington post isn't news. She's a left-wing nutter that will do anything to mislead the masses. AKA it's a blog. > McCain went with Palin because of those tax records, not because she was a > better Candidate. according to unnamed sources? .

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07/19/2012 09:17 AM

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- Gov. Martin O?Malley http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/omalley-mccain-saw-romneys-tax-returns-and-he-c "When Mitt Romney had the opportunity to avoid paying taxes, he took full advantage of it," O'Malley said. "It didn't result in job creation here at home, it resulted in Swiss bank accounts, it resulted in shell corporations in the Bahamas, it resulted in Cayman Island accounts."

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07/19/2012 09:29 AM

You're going with a liberal Governors speculations? Does that mean everyone ever vetted for VP and not chosen can't be President? . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions <casey@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 09:44 AM

Romney has made it clear he wants to change the subject. Of course none of his employees will go on the recor, would you? I generally do not quote Huff.po but several of their. Reporters seem to be doing original reorting on this story. If you want Romney to go on the record saying he avoided taxes that's clearly unreasonable. And McCain didn't say there's nothing there, he said Palin was a better candidate. He didn't say why but I'm guessing willard's taxes were a good part of that. On Jul 19, 2012 5:43 AM, "Sam" <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1682539.html ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- former > > Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 09:57 AM

Sticking with huffpo just for kicks: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1680765.html Sen. John McCain said on Tuesday he can "personally vouch" there was nothing disqualifying in the 23 years' worth of tax returns that Mitt Romney submitted to his team in 2008, when he was vetted for a vice presidential spot. "Everything was fine," McCain told reporters on Capitol Hill. "I can personally vouch for the fact that there was nothing in his tax returns that would in any way be disqualifying for him to be a candidate." As for the other stuff, WaPo gave the attacks three Pinocchios yet Obama's doubling down on the attacks. No shame. I'm seeing a trend here where even the left-leaning media is starting to say enough with the bs from this admin. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Dana <dana.tierney@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:13 AM

I think the Democrats should stick on this and demand disclosure just as the GOP has done with the insulting and degrading demands for Obama's birth papers. They should start a new movement. Take it to court and all that. We've already seen that it doesn't have to be true to smear a President, or a prospective President. On 19 July 2012 09:57, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:18 AM

That wasn't the GOP it was the birthers. Remember McCain was upset about it and stayed far away. Meanwhile in AZ, Sheriff Joe Arpaio says he's confirmed it's fake. Whatever. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:31 AM

So Sam, you believe Obama's birth papers are forgeries? On 19 July 2012 10:17, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: > > Meanwhile in AZ, Sheriff Joe Arpaio says he's confirmed it's fake. > Whatever. > >

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07/19/2012 10:40 AM

Wow Sam a birther, who would have thought that. sorry forgot the <sarcasm> tags. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:40 AM

Without a doubt the document he released to shut up the the idiot Trump is a fake. I believe he was born in Hawaii but don't understand how he can submit a blatant forgery and have nobody care. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: > > So Sam, you believe Obama's birth papers are forgeries?

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07/19/2012 10:44 AM

Wow. ok. On 19 July 2012 10:39, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: > > Without a doubt the document he released to shut up the the idiot > Trump is a fake.

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07/19/2012 11:13 AM

"As for the other stuff, WaPo gave the attacks three Pinocchios yet Obama's doubling down on the attacks. No shame." Sam, he has no choice to attack. He cannot run on his record. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/19/2012 11:19 AM

How about his golf handicap? . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jerry Barnes <criticalj@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 11:14 AM

You do know the woman that supposedly signed it said so. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 11:14 AM

How were they forgeries? Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting owner@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 wouldn't have run. Without a doubt the document he released to shut up the the idiot Trump is a fake. I believe he was born in Hawaii but don't understand how he can submit a blatant forgery and have nobody care. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: > > So Sam, you believe Obama's birth papers are forgeries?

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07/19/2012 11:21 AM

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/freedom-press-not-free/2012/jul/18/president-obama-birth-certificate-forgery-says-arp/ In another story I read it said the Sheriff set out to prove it was real because he believed Obama. That made me LOL because Arpaio is a right-wing nutter . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Eric Roberts <owner@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > How were they forgeries?

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07/19/2012 11:24 AM

And based on this you believe the document is a forgery. Because , in your own words, a Right Wing Nutter launched a private investigation and announced that it was a forgery. Ok. On 19 July 2012 11:20, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 11:36 AM

Based on this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: > > And based on this you believe the document is a forgery. > Because , in your own words, a Right Wing Nutter launched a private > investigation and announced that it was a forgery. > > Ok.

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07/19/2012 03:06 PM

That was pretty hilarious....you actually believe this crap? Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting owner@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 wouldn't have run. Based on this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_p roof_in_the_layers.html . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: > > And based on this you believe the document is a forgery. > Because , in your own words, a Right Wing Nutter launched a private > investigation and announced that it was a forgery. > > Ok. >

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07/19/2012 08:11 PM

That ended all arguments for me right there. Pointless to engage further. On 19 July 2012 14:26, Eric Roberts <owner@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:05 PM

The thing is I doubt that bush completed his rotc and I bet we could forgeries there too. The point is, I think lindseys doing soft-core now: http://m.wwtdd.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=452185&postId=452185&postUserId=164&DID=1&DFCL=1000&DBSB=postDate%23desc&DBFQ=userId%3A164+cat1%3A%22Home%22&DL.w=&DL.d=10&DQ=&DS=3 On Jul 19, 2012 5:11 PM, "Vivec" <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:06 PM

Did you look at it? White halo around all the black text. Have you ever seen or produced hat before? . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:29 PM

"How about his golf handicap?" I have read the he is no fun to play with.  He gets very angry when he hits a bad shot and  that he tends to blame bad shots on others.  Unfortunately for those others, he hits a lot of bad shots.  He claims to not cheat at golf, but I have also read that he likes to use "executive privilege" a lot to improve lies or justify the foot wedge. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/20/2012 12:35 PM

this is the same Arapaio who is currently defending himself in court today On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Vivec <gel214th@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 11:55 AM

It would appear that once again not only has Sam jumped the shark but is using a pogo stick to do it. I need to call my broker and tell him to get a lot of Reynolds Aluminium stock - there's about to be a major rush on tinfoil supply. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Eric Roberts <owner@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:25 AM

As noted elsewhere, the Washington Post was talking about a specific story about specific layoffs and awarded the Pinochios because those took place in 2004. Not that the facts have ever bothered you. On Jul 19, 2012 6:57 AM, "Sam" <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/19/2012 10:37 AM

I don't even know what your talking about because you don't give specifics. I'm talking about the claim that Romney is a felon, ran Bain while working the Olympics and sent jobs overseas during that time. . On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dana <dana.tierney@gmail.com> wrote: > > As noted elsewhere, the Washington Post was talking about a specific story > about specific layoffs and awarded the Pinochios because those took place > in 2004. Not that the facts have ever bothered you.

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07/19/2012 10:18 PM

"And based on this you believe the document is a forgery." I don't know if the birth certificate is a forgery is or not, but the selective service registration card <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwc-De1zWro>; is very suspect. Anyway, the only thing I can imagine with the birth certificate is that it has the wrong father on it. There is a more than fair resemblance<http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/side-photos-of-frank-and-obama.jpg>; between Obama and his mentor, the communist Frank Marshal Davis. Davis penned a book under the pseudonym Bob Greene titled SEX REBEL: MEMOIRS OF A GASH GOURMET<http://www.scribd.com/doc/22472003/Sex-Rebel-Black-Memoirs-of-a-Gash-Gourmet-Frank-Marshall-Davis>; (p 75).    It was published in 1968 and is "supposedly" autobiographical.  In it, Davis describes having  sex with a 13 year old  girl named Anne who was introduced to him by a close relative of the girl. Anyway.  There's probably nothing to it, but if I was forced to pick a theory, it would be this. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/20/2012 09:35 AM

thank you guys, my Reynolds Aluminum stock is worth even more now, thanks to the unexpected demand. Keep fueling those profits. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Jerry Barnes <criticalj@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 10:17 AM

And his wife refers to the public who they intend to lead, as "You People"... Exactly the elitist, "ivory tower" thinking that analysts have said typifies Rommney and his crew. Ann Romney: We've Given 'All You People Need To Know' About Family Finances http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/ann-romney_n_1685735.html I'm really stunned that the GOP would support a candidate like this. Can anyone argue that the GOP hasn't totally gone extreme? Religious extremists, elitist billionairres....the party just seems like a massive clusterf* now. Where's Reagan?

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07/20/2012 10:36 AM

What did I tell you about the huffpo? If you're going to manufacture outrage make it something worthwhile. . ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 10:40 AM

> What did I tell you about the huffpo? > If you're going to manufacture outrage make it something worthwhile. > So it's not news? News is news. It's worth noting that Romney campaign hasn't rebutted anything posted in the news regardless of the website.

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07/20/2012 11:13 AM

Oh, well, if Ann Romney, who is as unbiased as one can get in this case, says we have enough information than i guess we must. </sarcasm> ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 11:32 AM

The issues is she didn't say "you people" or call them bitter gun and religion clingers. ?America is not just about you people doing well. America is about everybody doing well.? - Barrack Obama . > > Oh, well, if Ann Romney, who is as unbiased as one can get in this > case, says we have enough information than i guess we must. > > </sarcasm>

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07/20/2012 11:33 AM

Lol, uh yeah.  It's really kind of appalling that a guy running to lead our entire country doesn't think he should release his tax returns. Shameful, really. On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Scott Stroz <boyzoid@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 11:36 AM

I think it comes down to Romney making the decision that the fallout from not releasing his tax returns won't be as bad as releasing it. Maybe they contain a very good reason why McCain chose Palin over Romney. Besides releasing tax returns is only for the little people. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 11:43 AM

Yeah, I'd like to know who paid for his education. . > > Lol, uh yeah.  It's really kind of appalling that a guy running to lead our entire country doesn't think he should release his tax returns. > > Shameful, really.

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07/20/2012 12:36 PM

"thank you guys, my Reynolds Aluminum stock is worth even more now, thanks to the unexpected demand. Keep fueling those profits." It's definitely tin foil hat worthy material. I am not saying that I buy any of it, but if I had make a choice, then it would be the FMD father route. I can at least understand a mother wanting to hide the fact the her child's father was a famous card carrying communist (and pervert). The whole smuggling a baby in from overseas is a lot harder to accept. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/20/2012 03:59 PM

I don't really care about his university days, and his professional career is fairly well known. It's his last 5-10 years of federal taxes, i.e. his relationship with the federal government and his sources of income ( where are his incentives and possible conflicts of interest are ) that voters deserve to know. If Obama was getting an income from his real country of origin, don't you think we should all know? On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 04:09 PM

As a state senator then later a full Senator, I thought he was getting an income from his country of origin, unless you believe as some ignorant types do, Hawaii is not a part of the US. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 04:13 PM

What if an unknown source paid for his education? That's hundreds of thousands of dollars over his head. Should we know about it? We know he was vetted for VP so nothing to worry about in the returns. . > > I don't really care about his university days, and his professional career is fairly well known. > > It's his last 5-10 years of federal taxes, i.e. his relationship with the federal government and his sources of income ( where are his incentives and possible conflicts of interest are ) that voters deserve to know. > > If Obama was getting an income from his real country of origin, don't you think we should all know?

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07/20/2012 04:18 PM

Nancy Pelosi has backed off her demands or Romney to release his records. It seems that only 17 of 535 congressional members have released their tax records.  She is not one of the 17.  When the subject of her tax returns became the issue, she relented somewhat.  After more pestering by the unusually tenacious reporters, Pelosi said the following: ?Some people think the same standard should be held to the ownership of the news media in the country who are writing these stories about all of this. What do you think of that?? Anyway, to some of you on the far, far left:  the Queen mother has spoken and wants the issue dropped before her taxes become an issue. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/20/2012 04:29 PM

> Anyway, to some of you on the far, far left:  the Queen mother has spoken > and wants the issue dropped before her taxes become an issue. > I never liked her anyway, Charles Schumer should take her place, Kirsten Gillibrandt up next, and if Hillary doesn't run in 2016, Governor Cuomo will be our next president.

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07/20/2012 04:30 PM

Uh, he was vetted by a private campaign at some level of specificity for their purposes with their methods. But hey, I have no problem if McCains campaign wants to share the dossier.  Or Romney can open up his last 10 years of tax returns. Either way the American people need the info to do their own vetting. On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 04:39 PM

I don't know what that means so yes!  ... Wait .... No!   Or yes.  Yes I'm going with yes.  Or maybe, let go with maybe yes.  Or not.  Your choice On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 04:41 PM

Most recent wingnut mantra Obama wasn't vetted properly. which typically translates to not white enough. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 04:49 PM

Wow you turned me into a racist? Obama wasn't vetted because the only thing we know about him is what was written in his books. Everything else is secret and he's spent $millions keeping it that way. . > > Most recent wingnut mantra Obama wasn't vetted properly. which > typically translates to not white enough.

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07/20/2012 05:46 PM

I want a quid pro quo.  The tax returns for the college records. And I want a new law that says all candidates and members of congress have to release tax returns, college records, and financial records on request. I want spouses and children included in the tax returns and financial records.  No need for their college records. In my opinion, if John McCain released his records, which showed that he finished 894th out of 899, then no one should be embarrassed by their college record. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 07:07 PM

If a couple is a married then their joint filing for the last 7 years; if they file separately then the individual returns for the last 7 years. Its pretty simple: what's been happening recently leading up to an election run. That's it.  Anything else is irrelevant.  Except 7th grade valentines. On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Barnes <criticalj@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 10:31 PM

"That's it.  Anything else is irrelevant." Unfortunately, it's not.  A lot of congressmen have children who work in the lobbying business.  There are even rumors that some children of congressmen get cushy jobs in big name firms (non-lobbying) as payback for favors. At some point, it does have to stop.  That is, nephews, nieces, grandchildren and so on should be off limits.  Children, not so much. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/21/2012 09:59 PM

Yes, and that point is 7 years of tax returns.  See?  Easy! On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Jerry Barnes <criticalj@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/21/2012 11:13 PM

"Yes, and that point is 7 years of tax returns.  See?  Easy!" Seven years of tax returns for a member of congress will not show much about the children of a 67 year old. Take for example George Miller, who has been in office since 1975 and is 67 years old.  He has a son, George Miller IV who is a lobbyist.  Some examples of some suspicious activity follow.  And yes, there are records of payments to the lobby firm.   But what's left out? It was reported that Miller and his son, George Miller IV, a lobbyist, were involved in the controversy surrounding the U.S. Department of Energy awarding a $1.2 billion loan to the struggling SunPower Corporation.  The loan was awarded hours before the DOE program was set to expire. It was reported that by April 2012, the company's stock had fallen nearly 50% since the loan had been awarded. SunPower has paid Miller's son and his lobbying firm US$138,000 to represent them. Miller asserts that he and his son never discusses legislation; his son, however, does boast of political connections in Washington openly. George Miller IV was paid $320,000 to lobby for the Seeno Construction through 2009 according to federal lobbying disclosures. Seeno Construction is a California-based company owned by the Seeno family. The Seenos have a long history of giving money to Democrats, according to Federal Election Commission records. Donations of the Seeno family include $4,870 to Rep. Miller, $90,000 to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D ? Nev.), and to Democratic congressional committees, more than $120,000. In 2004, Miller IV lobbied against the relocation of a county airport where the Seenos owned 1 million square feet of office space.  Rep. Miller wrote a letter pressuring the Federal Aviation Administration to block the move. The airport remains there today. In 2005, Miller IV lobbied again on behalf of the Seeno, this time to remove an easement allowing Seenos to build a 1,400 home subdivision. Though environmental groups opposed the removal of the easement and tried to defeat the removal in a ballot measure, Rep. Miller wrote a letter supporting the Seeno?s position ? interestingly inconsistent given his ?green? voting record.  The letter was sent to Miller?s constituents and the ballot measure passed in Rep. Miller?s congressional district by a small margin. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Qu

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07/22/2012 01:24 AM

Sounds like great stuff for investigative journalists or ethics committees. On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Jerry Barnes <criticalj@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/22/2012 09:05 PM

"Sounds like great stuff for investigative journalists . . ." Ha.  Good one. ". . . or ethics committees." Right.  Even if the blatant partisanship could be put out of the committees, you would still be asking shysters to sit in judgment on other shysters. J - When they call the roll in the Senate, the senators do not know whether to answer present or not guilty. - Theodore Roosevelt

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07/22/2012 10:47 PM

Maybe Ken Starr is available. > ". . . or ethics committees." > > Right.  Even if the blatant partisanship could be put out of the > committees, you would still be asking shysters to sit in judgment on other > shysters.

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07/23/2012 07:57 AM

"Maybe Ken Starr is available. " I'd rather it be Ryan Seacrest. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

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07/20/2012 04:35 PM

As to how Romney paid for his education, I really don't care. I don't think Romney would care much about hundreds of thousands these days given he's a millionaire and has had 3 decades to make good on his debts. I think we should just worry about how he conducts himself financially over the last decade; that will give us an opportunity to see patterns and implicit values. On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Sam <sammycode@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 12:37 PM

yeah. And it's ok because he has a note from his wife. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 10:46 AM

Where's Reagan, moldering in the ground I hope. It would be really gross if he was wondering about. That said if he were alive, and in his right mind, he would not be a Republican. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/20/2012 12:36 PM

saw that. Watched the video to make sure it wasn't out of context. the tone and the body language pretty much express the same contempt. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

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07/21/2012 01:32 AM

> Where's Reagan? Dead.  And he was worse than Romney could ever be.


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