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Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99076
On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 03:33 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I agree with both points. But, teaching/learning is enhanced when the
students participate. We need a toolset that allows the concepts to be
demonstrated.
Jim Davis said it best:
"I think with CF you have the potential to teach the concepts without
the
language getting in the way. "
Dick
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99067
Dick Applebaum wrote:
>
> Are you saying that while the CFMX approach is good enough for you and
> I to use,it is not good enough for our kids?
I am saying that the HTML approach is a necessary evil nowadays. But we
are supposed to be educating these kids for the future, so we might just
as well teach them something more durable.
> What do you propose instead?
Don't teach them one particular toolset, teach them concepts.
Jochem
--
Never steer by the rearview mirror when driving forward.
Author: Bill Henderson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99059
This led me to do some searching for Logo and turtle graphics (2nd grade
for me) and I found this, and it actually pertains to the original
thread (kind of)
<http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WhatSortOfComputationWouldInterestJuniorSchoolCh
ildren>
This is an off-shoot of an article talking about Logo in general. The
link for that is: <http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LogoLanguage>;
kids
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Author: Matt Robertson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99053
LAST on-list OT, I promise!
We have met, I think. I know that store if my (hazy) recollection is
correct.
Near a Farrells and the Bicycle Tree? I dinked around on some
***really*** early Apple computers there. Highly advanced casette
recorder used to load programs. Way too sophisticated for floppies.
If that was you, then a) I remember it quite well and b) you bear
partial blame for getting me interested in this field.
Man, talk about memory lane! I took boxing at Sunnyvale High. Tough
crowd ;)
--Matt--
kids
Matt
Really, Really OT
If you were a computer geek between 1978 and 1989, then we've probably
met!
Yeah, I know FHS -- Freemont and Saratoga-Sunnyvale.
I and 2 others owned some computer stores, one was 2 blocks away at
Fremont and Mary -- Computer Plus --across the parking lot from the
Velvet Turtle.
You guys (FHS) were behind in some ways, but you had cable TV & VCRs
in every classroom (unique at that time).
There was a teacher there Jerry -- can't remember his last name but, he
was really progressive and liked by the students -- Jerry was trying to
set up a computer lab -- got no support from anybody.
We did some small stuff with FHS, but it never really got going.
Anyway, FHS was in a different district than SHS, with completely
different funding.
But we had several FHS students on our payroll -- between
skateboarding, and Hires graphics they helped sell a lot of computers.
Greg Porter, Joe Wilson come to mind.
A few years after you graduated, Woz tried to donate several million to
Sunnyvale HS (same district) to set up a computer lab,
But, politics got in the way & they could never could figure out what
to do with the money.
You/we grew in the heart of Silicon Valley, when everything was
exciting & new!
Dick
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Matt Robertson wrote:
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Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99051
Matt
Really, Really OT
If you were a computer geek between 1978 and 1989, then we've probably
met!
Yeah, I know FHS -- Freemont and Saratoga-Sunnyvale.
I and 2 others owned some computer stores, one was 2 blocks away at
Fremont and Mary -- Computer Plus --across the parking lot from the
Velvet Turtle.
You guys (FHS) were behind in some ways, but you had cable TV & VCRs
in every classroom (unique at that time).
There was a teacher there Jerry -- can't remember his last name but, he
was really progressive and liked by the students -- Jerry was trying to
set up a computer lab -- got no support from anybody.
We did some small stuff with FHS, but it never really got going.
Anyway, FHS was in a different district than SHS, with completely
different funding.
But we had several FHS students on our payroll -- between
skateboarding, and Hires graphics they helped sell a lot of computers.
Greg Porter, Joe Wilson come to mind.
A few years after you graduated, Woz tried to donate several million to
Sunnyvale HS (same district) to set up a computer lab,
But, politics got in the way & they could never could figure out what
to do with the money.
You/we grew in the heart of Silicon Valley, when everything was
exciting & new!
Dick
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Matt Robertson wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Matt Robertson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99050
I can't help myself... I have to chime in. Totally OT:
Dick Applebaum wrote:
> Well, here is the high school that installed the first computer lab
> network in June 1980:
<snip>
> http://www.saratogahigh.org/shs/academics/academics.html
Small world. I graduated from Fremont High in June 1980, which is in
the same town and high school district as Saratoga High. We were pretty
fierce rivals. At the time all we had was a few Commodore PETs, and a
LOT of cobbled-together stuff, much of it hand-me-downs from parents
working in/around HP, Atari, Lockheed, Fairchild et al.
Wasn't it SHS where the entire senior class all got straight F's on
their report cards cuz persons-unknown broke into the FUHSD system
and... Tinkered? Was either 1979 or 1980. Killed too many gray cells
since to remember exactly.
Great time/place to grow up: Sunnyvale CA, right when all that PC stuff
started.
--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99048
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 05:09 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> Maybe this thread is going a little OT here but one last
> comment...Just read
> that some elementary schools here are teaching "multimedia math"...in
> kindergarten !! Damn...all we did was draw with crayons and throw paint
> everywhere...
>
>
What about clay-class, finger-painting and paper-machae [sp] -- Oh,
those were in High school in Pasadena, California.
It's a slow day, Michael and Judith are tolerant ---
--- and Kay's original post was spot on!
This is an opportunity, if I've ever seen one!
Dick
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99047
Ya it seems every site I've checked are into all kinds of multimedia and
web...
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
> pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're
> building
> e-com systems.
>
> http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
>
Well, here is the high school that installed the first computer lab
network in June 1980:
7 Apple ][ computers networked to a 5 MB Corvus Hard disk and a
Centronics printer
Only the administrators Apple ][ had floppy drives.
http://www.saratogahigh.org/shs/academics/academics.html
My daughter is an alumnus of SHS, -- though she never took computer lab.
I haven't had contact with anyone at the school since !988 -- but they
seem to be doing quite well.
As I mentioned, SHS was the prototype for HS computer labs all over the
US.
Mmmm... maybe they are already doing web stuff & just need to upgrade
to dynamic content>
Dick
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99046
Yes!
Logo!
Who can forget the turtle & turtlegraphics?
Dick
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 05:02 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99045
Maybe this thread is going a little OT here but one last comment...Just read
that some elementary schools here are teaching "multimedia math"...in
kindergarten !! Damn...all we did was draw with crayons and throw paint
everywhere...
Stace
I would say they do...school system is quite good in most areas. We had a
computer lab when I was in elementary school. (All MACs/Apples)...There were
maybe 15 machines....and that was back in..um...83-84 maybe?
Most projects involved working with a program called Logo...it was a little
turtle that u would program to draw pictures. That's actually what generated
my first interest in puters.
FD 60 (forward 60 pixels)
RT 45 (right turn 45 degrees)
FD 100
LT 90
FD 150
There were school contests for drawing more elaborate things that involved
some flash-like programming...
Stace
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
> pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're
> building
> e-com systems.
>
> http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
>
Impressed!
That's quite a site!
Do most of the highschools in Canada have computer labs, as in the US?
With what do they build their e-com sites?
Dick
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99044
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
> pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're
> building
> e-com systems.
>
> http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
>
Well, here is the high school that installed the first computer lab
network in June 1980:
7 Apple ][ computers networked to a 5 MB Corvus Hard disk and a
Centronics printer
Only the administrators Apple ][ had floppy drives.
http://www.saratogahigh.org/shs/academics/academics.html
My daughter is an alumnus of SHS, -- though she never took computer lab.
I haven't had contact with anyone at the school since !988 -- but they
seem to be doing quite well.
As I mentioned, SHS was the prototype for HS computer labs all over the
US.
Mmmm... maybe they are already doing web stuff & just need to upgrade
to dynamic content>
Dick
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99042
I would say they do...school system is quite good in most areas. We had a
computer lab when I was in elementary school. (All MACs/Apples)...There were
maybe 15 machines....and that was back in..um...83-84 maybe?
Most projects involved working with a program called Logo...it was a little
turtle that u would program to draw pictures. That's actually what generated
my first interest in puters.
FD 60 (forward 60 pixels)
RT 45 (right turn 45 degrees)
FD 100
LT 90
FD 150
There were school contests for drawing more elaborate things that involved
some flash-like programming...
Stace
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
> pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're
> building
> e-com systems.
>
> http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
>
Impressed!
That's quite a site!
Do most of the highschools in Canada have computer labs, as in the US?
With what do they build their e-com sites?
Dick
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99040
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
> This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
> pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're
> building
> e-com systems.
>
> http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
>
Impressed!
That's quite a site!
Do most of the highschools in Canada have computer labs, as in the US?
With what do they build their e-com sites?
Dick
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99038
Part of the curriculum is Flash and DW LOL
This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're building
e-com systems.
http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 03:13 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I, actually, do have some experience in that field (computer training
in high school), although a bit dated.
I was involved in a project that installed the first computer LAN in a
high school.
There was some initial resistance (as there is with all change). But,
once people grasped the concept and the benefits, acceptance, well,
just snowballed!
The lab became a prototype and everyone involved benefitted --
particularly the students -- there were high school students opening
their own computer consulting firms.
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I agree that writing skills are very important and should be learned in
a structured way.
But we are discussing additional skills to bring the content (the
results of writing kills) to a broader audience the internet.
Kids will learn to program the Internet -- just because it's there!
Why leave them to their own devices and some of the more obscure
languages -- to helter-skelter mix format layout and content.
Rather, teach them to do it right (better) with superior tools.
Are you saying that while the CFMX approach is good enough for you and
I to use,it is not good enough for our kids?
What do you propose instead?
Finally, I think that kids will not have much trouble grasping the
difference between content and layout (packaging), as they are
constantly exposed to it in there everyday lives.
I think that, properly presented, the value of both form and substance
can be learned -- and the web contains millions of examples (good and
bad) of both.
Dick
>
> Maybe we will raise a generation that understands the difference
> between
> form and substance.
>
> Jochem
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99037
This is my old highschool...was mostly gangs back when I was there but
pretty impressive changes in recent years...by grade 11 they're building
e-com systems.
http://www.riverdalehighonline.com/showcase.html
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 03:13 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I, actually, do have some experience in that field (computer training
in high school), although a bit dated.
I was involved in a project that installed the first computer LAN in a
high school.
There was some initial resistance (as there is with all change). But,
once people grasped the concept and the benefits, acceptance, well,
just snowballed!
The lab became a prototype and everyone involved benefitted --
particularly the students -- there were high school students opening
their own computer consulting firms.
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I agree that writing skills are very important and should be learned in
a structured way.
But we are discussing additional skills to bring the content (the
results of writing kills) to a broader audience the internet.
Kids will learn to program the Internet -- just because it's there!
Why leave them to their own devices and some of the more obscure
languages -- to helter-skelter mix format layout and content.
Rather, teach them to do it right (better) with superior tools.
Are you saying that while the CFMX approach is good enough for you and
I to use,it is not good enough for our kids?
What do you propose instead?
Finally, I think that kids will not have much trouble grasping the
difference between content and layout (packaging), as they are
constantly exposed to it in there everyday lives.
I think that, properly presented, the value of both form and substance
can be learned -- and the web contains millions of examples (good and
bad) of both.
Dick
>
> Maybe we will raise a generation that understands the difference
> between
> form and substance.
>
> Jochem
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99034
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 03:13 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I, actually, do have some experience in that field (computer training
in high school), although a bit dated.
I was involved in a project that installed the first computer LAN in a
high school.
There was some initial resistance (as there is with all change). But,
once people grasped the concept and the benefits, acceptance, well,
just snowballed!
The lab became a prototype and everyone involved benefitted --
particularly the students -- there were high school students opening
their own computer consulting firms.
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
I agree that writing skills are very important and should be learned in
a structured way.
But we are discussing additional skills to bring the content (the
results of writing kills) to a broader audience the internet.
Kids will learn to program the Internet -- just because it's there!
Why leave them to their own devices and some of the more obscure
languages -- to helter-skelter mix format layout and content.
Rather, teach them to do it right (better) with superior tools.
Are you saying that while the CFMX approach is good enough for you and
I to use,it is not good enough for our kids?
What do you propose instead?
Finally, I think that kids will not have much trouble grasping the
difference between content and layout (packaging), as they are
constantly exposed to it in there everyday lives.
I think that, properly presented, the value of both form and substance
can be learned -- and the web contains millions of examples (good and
bad) of both.
Dick
>
> Maybe we will raise a generation that understands the difference
> between
> form and substance.
>
> Jochem
Author: samcfug
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99033
Actually the best starting place for the youngsters is to use pre-built
templates, available everywhere for free, to use Web builder apps provided by
the host. They always have the option to view and tweak the HTML code that
underlies the site.
More advanced languages, such as CF, PHP, XML, JavaScript, Perl, various flavors
of SQL, etc. are for the more advanced students, and usually the ones that have
a proclivity for structured programming languages.
Web sites that appear "cool" to the kids (for the wow factor among their peers)
are completely different in concept from what a business-oriented adult
developer will consider "Cool."
=====================================
Douglas White
group Manager
mailto:doug@samcfug.org
http://www.samcfug.org
=====================================
| Dick Applebaum wrote:
| >
| > This is such a great idea, that I am surprised by the few responses.
|
| <cynical>
| That is because most people with experience in that field expect the
| resistance to change that seems to be inherent in educational systems to
| overcome this idea just like all great ideas of the past.
| </cynical>
|
| Apart from the fact that I don't think it is such a great idea at all.
| Learn kids to write in a concise and structured way, don't give them
| HTML to play with (just think of the poor teachers that have to grade
| something that was written with inordinate amounts of <blink> tags and
| text colors on a purple background). If you want to add layout, add some
| stylesheets and XSLT and let the rounding of the mark depend on it, but
| the mixing of content and layout is something you *don't* want to teach
| children.
|
| Maybe we will raise a generation that understands the difference between
| form and substance.
|
| Jochem
|
|
Author: Tony Weeg
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99032
but of course it is, heck i think it was f7 way
back in word perfect on my 386, and it followed
to this new thing called microsoft word, now
it still lives in office xp
tony
kids
> Stacy Young wrote:
>> I think it's cool...schools here teach office starting in
>> grade 7 or less...
> Q: Can you spell?
> A: F7
The keyboard shortcut for check-spelling?
s. isaac dealey 954-776-0046
new epoch http://www.turnkey.to
lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to
certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816
Author: S. Isaac Dealey
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99031
> Stacy Young wrote:
>> I think it's cool...schools here teach office starting in
>> grade 7 or less...
> Q: Can you spell?
> A: F7
The keyboard shortcut for check-spelling?
s. isaac dealey 954-776-0046
new epoch http://www.turnkey.to
lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to
certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99030
Stacy Young wrote:
> I think it's cool...schools here teach office starting in grade 7 or less...
Q: Can you spell?
A: F7
Jochem
Author: Matt Robertson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99029
CF4K... What about tying in Flash4K as well? Then there'd finally be a
learning path I'd have the time and capacity to grasp :D
--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com
kids
I think it's cool...schools here teach office starting in grade 7 or
less...
Mike
Isn't Kay's idea really great?
I didn't mean using trying to compete with word for producing clear,
concise html -- who could do that :)
Rather, schools teach word and excel for their data presentation and
problem-solving capabilities, respectively.
More importantly, the use of these tools is likely standalone.
CF4K, would broaden the problem-solving and presentation capabilities
and add the ability to interact with others over the web or a LAN.
All the schools are wired for the internet, right ? -- I saw Bill and
Al on TV, laying the cables. And we continue to pay taxes (phone
bills) for this.
So the Internet should available to all schools (but access may be
restricted).
I think that many high schools have LANs for their computer labs.
These likely are used mainly by the instructors to broadcast the lesson
to all the displays and to monitor or assist individual students.
Your idea about DWMX is an excellent one.
I think we could go a step further.
Make available a Modified Trial version of CFMX especially for
classrooms. One that they could install on a server (or the main
computer on the LAN, that acts as such).
Then schools could teach problem solving, development collaboration,
web/network application development, etc -- without needing access to
the Internet
The components would be something like:
HTML as the basic presentation layer
Flash, etc, for the rich/extended presentation layer
CFML for the problem solving layer
SQL for the data management layer
The SQL piece is already available (open source, or from several
vendors) For example,
Sybase_ASE has an free, easy to install, full-featured database (very
similar to SQL-Server) that allows 25 (I think) concurrent
connections-- even that's not a problem as CFMX pools connections.
Getting back to Kay's original request, what's missing is some
tutorials oriented to kids -- there are companies that specialize in
doing that for any topic -- but I suspect that many of the members of
this list have the talents necessary to develop CF4K material.
It must be a slow day -- is some holiday approaching?
This is such a great idea, that I am surprised by the few responses.
Maybe, everyone sees the potential and are busy presenting the case for
this or that to those who can make it happen -- that's what I did!
Dick
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 10:10 AM, Mike Brunt wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99028
Dick Applebaum wrote:
>
> This is such a great idea, that I am surprised by the few responses.
<cynical>
That is because most people with experience in that field expect the
resistance to change that seems to be inherent in educational systems to
overcome this idea just like all great ideas of the past.
</cynical>
Apart from the fact that I don't think it is such a great idea at all.
Learn kids to write in a concise and structured way, don't give them
HTML to play with (just think of the poor teachers that have to grade
something that was written with inordinate amounts of <blink> tags and
text colors on a purple background). If you want to add layout, add some
stylesheets and XSLT and let the rounding of the mark depend on it, but
the mixing of content and layout is something you *don't* want to teach
children.
Maybe we will raise a generation that understands the difference between
form and substance.
Jochem
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99027
I think it's cool...schools here teach office starting in grade 7 or less...
Mike
Isn't Kay's idea really great?
I didn't mean using trying to compete with word for producing clear,
concise html -- who could do that :)
Rather, schools teach word and excel for their data presentation and
problem-solving capabilities, respectively.
More importantly, the use of these tools is likely standalone.
CF4K, would broaden the problem-solving and presentation capabilities
and add the ability to interact with others over the web or a LAN.
All the schools are wired for the internet, right ? -- I saw Bill and
Al on TV, laying the cables. And we continue to pay taxes (phone
bills) for this.
So the Internet should available to all schools (but access may be
restricted).
I think that many high schools have LANs for their computer labs.
These likely are used mainly by the instructors to broadcast the lesson
to all the displays and to monitor or assist individual students.
Your idea about DWMX is an excellent one.
I think we could go a step further.
Make available a Modified Trial version of CFMX especially for
classrooms. One that they could install on a server (or the main
computer on the LAN, that acts as such).
Then schools could teach problem solving, development collaboration,
web/network application development, etc -- without needing access to
the Internet
The components would be something like:
HTML as the basic presentation layer
Flash, etc, for the rich/extended presentation layer
CFML for the problem solving layer
SQL for the data management layer
The SQL piece is already available (open source, or from several
vendors) For example,
Sybase_ASE has an free, easy to install, full-featured database (very
similar to SQL-Server) that allows 25 (I think) concurrent
connections-- even that's not a problem as CFMX pools connections.
Getting back to Kay's original request, what's missing is some
tutorials oriented to kids -- there are companies that specialize in
doing that for any topic -- but I suspect that many of the members of
this list have the talents necessary to develop CF4K material.
It must be a slow day -- is some holiday approaching?
This is such a great idea, that I am surprised by the few responses.
Maybe, everyone sees the potential and are busy presenting the case for
this or that to those who can make it happen -- that's what I did!
Dick
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 10:10 AM, Mike Brunt wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Dick Applebaum
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19579#99026
Mike
Isn't Kay's idea really great?
I didn't mean using trying to compete with word for producing clear,
concise html -- who could do that :)
Rather, schools teach word and excel for their data presentation and
problem-solving capabilities, respectively.
More importantly, the use of these tools is likely standalone.
CF4K, would broaden the problem-solving and presentation capabilities
and add the ability to interact with others over the web or a LAN.
All the schools are wired for the internet, right ? -- I saw Bill and
Al on TV, laying the cables. And we continue to pay taxes (phone
bills) for this.
So the Internet should available to all schools (but access may be
restricted).
I think that many high schools have LANs for their computer labs.
These likely are used mainly by the instructors to broadcast the lesson
to all the displays and to monitor or assist individual students.
Your idea about DWMX is an excellent one.
I think we could go a step further.
Make available a Modified Trial version of CFMX especially for
classrooms. One that they could install on a server (or the main
computer on the LAN, that acts as such).
Then schools could teach problem solving, development collaboration,
web/network application development, etc -- without needing access to
the Internet
The components would be something like:
HTML as the basic presentation layer
Flash, etc, for the rich/extended presentation layer
CFML for the problem solving layer
SQL for the data management layer
The SQL piece is already available (open source, or from several
vendors) For example,
Sybase_ASE has an free, easy to install, full-featured database (very
similar to SQL-Server) that allows 25 (I think) concurrent
connections-- even that's not a problem as CFMX pools connections.
Getting back to Kay's original request, what's missing is some
tutorials oriented to kids -- there are companies that specialize in
doing that for any topic -- but I suspect that many of the members of
this list have the talents necessary to develop CF4K material.
It must be a slow day -- is some holiday approaching?
This is such a great idea, that I am surprised by the few responses.
Maybe, everyone sees the potential and are busy presenting the case for
this or that to those who can make it happen -- that's what I did!
Dick
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