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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99363
I need to correct myself. I was reading the title "Contribute" and didn't
realize the discussion had shifted to another tool. The list of permission
restrictions I mentioned are for Contribute, not for DRK2.
Sorry for any confusion.
-Kevin
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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99346
There are built-in controls to limit users to a particular directory;
disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; allow
or disallow the ability to assign css styles, and disable the <font> tag
and
even inline css styles. You can limit users to only edit pages, create pages
based on templates, , create pages by copying any existing page, or make
anything from scratch. And you can define a file size limit to how large of
a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not dimensions.)
That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users with
different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible for
permissions from what I can see.
-Kevin
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Author: Joshua Miller
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99335
Anyone have any input as to how the Macromedia version compares to
Ektron, ActivEdit, SOEditor or any of the others out there?
Feature comparisons? Notes about extensibility and compatability with
various browsers/OS? This sounds like it would be a cool add-on to
someone's (unbiased) FAQ or somewhere that we can all get to it to
compare the line of these tools.
If no one else wants to I'd be happy to put it up somewhere - if some
folks would be interested in giving some real-world input on using the
tools.
Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net
webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com
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Samuel R. Neff wrote:
> If that's what you want you can take a look at
> MM's DRK2 which has a Rich Text Editor component for Flash. It can
easily
> be wrapped into a stand-alone widget for embedding in HTML and an also
be
> extended.
Does anyone have this, who would like to comment on how extendable it
is? For example. if I wanted to limit the html editing controls my users
had (no fonts or colours, for example, or only stylesheet classes) could
I do this? Or say I wanted to change the colour of the component to
match my app...
Thanks,
Kay.
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Author: Kay Smoljak
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99322
Samuel R. Neff wrote:
> If that's what you want you can take a look at
> MM's DRK2 which has a Rich Text Editor component for Flash. It can easily
> be wrapped into a stand-alone widget for embedding in HTML and an also be
> extended.
Does anyone have this, who would like to comment on how extendable it is? For
example. if I wanted to limit the html editing controls my users had (no fonts or
colours, for example, or only stylesheet classes) could I do this? Or say I
wanted to change the colour of the component to match my app...
Thanks,
Kay.
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Author: Bruce Sorge
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99320
I agree 100% with Sam. To add to this, here is our situation:
I manage a corporate Intranet. There are four developers, including my self
who have to (1. build new applications, (2. Maintain those applications, and
(3. Support the "generic" intranet sites.
The site has over 20K pages on it, all .cfm pages. There is a default header
and footer for the site as well as a default navigation template. If the
four of us had to do updates on every departments web site, we would never
have time to develop the applications that need to be developed. So, for now
what we do is teach the individual owners of those departmental sites basic
HTML. Once they are trained, we give have to create a share on the server
for them to map to, we have to apply permissions on the folders that the
users need to access, and so on. This is a tedious process to say the least.
So, rather than teach these users HTML and hope they do not jack with any of
the included files or custom tags (by that I mean "accidentally" deleting a
cfinclude or reference to a custom tag), enter Contribute. Contribute, in
editing mode, will only give the end user the content area of the page that
needs to be edited. It does not allow them into the actual code, thus they
cannot "accidentally" delete or alter any custom tags or includes. Also,
custom tags and includes are excluded from the wysiwyg editor. And, if you
create a standard template that has these tags that do not want to be
touched, then that is even better. Now the user does not have to worry about
messing anything up that the designers created, and they do not have to keep
going to their HTML for dummies book to remember what a TR and TD tag are
for.
Also, how many of us who are working on Intranets or corporate Internet
sites has slaved away for weeks on end, finally getting the site the way
everyone wants it to be, going live, sitting back basking in the glory of a
job well done, and then suddenly getting bombarded with requests to change
this font here, move this image here, delete this image here, change this
table layout here, etc... It happens, and there is nothing we can do about
it. Users will be users and we just have to live with it no matter how much
hair we lose over it, or how many ulcers we get because of this. With a
product like Contribute, you save yourself aggravation, can concentrate on
creating and maintaining the custom applications that your customers want,
and you give Marketing, HR, etc... ownership and empowerment to control
their piece of the pie.
Finally, am I trying to say that Contribute is the end all be all of CMS?
Heck no. That would be an idiotic statement. To echo what Ben Forta has been
preaching for years, use the right tool for the job. If someone needs a CMS
that does everything that Contribute can do, then buy it. If your needs
exceed what this product can do, then look for one that can, or hire a VAR
to create one for you. All Macromedia is doing is offering the
development/web community another choice.
Bruce
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</hassle>
>
> Sam
Author: Cathy Taylor
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99310
Is it not using anything else? Because we can FTP to the servers here and I even
tried setting my home directory as where to publish/view and it still gave an
error. Yet it worked instantly the first time on my personal server. I can
"browse" the directory structure down to where the web root is, so it is
connecting and authenticating up to that point. I can even create an _mm
directory as myself in that directory not using Contribute. I also tried
"passive" ftp. So it must be trying to create a file somewhere else is all I can
think of?
It's a moot point anyway. There are no user accounts on our production servers,
so Contribute wouldn't have permissions to modify any of the files. I thought it
would be possible to use in the development environment, but it won't work there
either because of the connection
issues.
Author: Samuel R. Neff
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99302
I really don't agree that Contribute competes with CF developers, at least
not most of them. Contribute's main market is to replace the people that
use Dreamweaver templates to manage their sites.
A small shop with a web site or intranet with 2-5 content developers can
put up a pretty decent site that is easily edited by end-user content
providers for $500-$800 (1 dreamweaver plus 1-4 contribute). However,
hiring a developer to create a content management system for you, even
simple, is going to cost minimum $5000-$1000 and more likely $20-100k.
Now, if your business is $500 websites, then sure Contribute might be
competition, but I would imagine it's hard to make a living off $500
websites. In any case, if that is your business, then you may be able to
attract a lot of new customers by becoming a Contribute reseller and
specializing in setting up the initial site and templates and then hand it
over to the customer--including the annoying maintenance. I agree--
</hassle>
Sam
Author: Angel Stewart
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99301
Hmm...
True MM could have brought out a tool that generated CF pages where the
text or graphic placement could be edited in a template by the end
user...those pages would integrate with whatever custom code you as the
developer wrote, and would be something you rolled out with your
application.
A developer could even up his price for it or offer it as a free
'feature'.
Contribute, on the other hand, is a pure End -User solution where a
developer really isn't even needed. You get a web designer to do your
initial site design templates and after that you can use Contribute
until you think your site needs a facelift and get a new template built.
Great for the end user....but I think to a certain extent it does cut
out the developer.
To mimic this functionality a developer would still have to either code
the system,or invest in expensive third party products to enable end
users of their applications to have the ability to make simple changes
themselves.
So how does Contribute really help the web application builder using
Coldfusion to deliver solutions to clients?
I tend to agree with those that say Contribute undercuts WABs.
I would have preferred some sort of cheap content management tool that
WABs could use to generate sites that had simple editing capabilities
included in them.
-Gel
Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that. If
Macromedia becomes an end-user solutions provider it undercuts my
business.
Contribute is fine as a generic and rather basic solution. It has a
fine niche and, speaking for myself, I hope it stays there.
Author: Samuel R. Neff
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99297
I haven't used ActivEdit, but my understanding is it's just a WYSIWYG
textarea for editing HTML. If that's what you want you can take a look at
MM's DRK2 which has a Rich Text Editor component for Flash. It can easily
be wrapped into a stand-alone widget for embedding in HTML and an also be
extended. Ektron also has a Flash based WYSIWYG editor. Unfortunately,
neither display embedded images.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/
http://www.ektron.com
Sam
At 05:26 PM 12/9/2002, you wrote:
>(snip)
>Anyway, my original post was more of a cry for something like ActivEdit
>that would be official "Macromedia Software" that would work across
>multiple browsers and platforms. I guess I should just look into
>ActivEdit and keep my mouth shut about Macromedia making their own.
>(snip)
>Joshua Miller
Author: Matt Brown
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99288
At 03:27 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Another point in all of this, there is a lot more to a large web application
>than just the code. Networks, Routers, Firewalls, DB Servers, Environments,
>OS's etc etc. We offer very broad-based business solutions that cover all
>aspects of making web-based applications work and in that way have been able
>to remain effective as tools and methods evolve.
Exactly. Contribute is a great product for a huge number of people that are
not really your clients. There is some overlap perhaps, but if you have a
full CMS app built, then you are in a whole different league than CT would
cover.
_________________________________________________________
Matt Brown Dreamweaver and Contribute Community Manager
Macromedia (415) 706-6543 mbrown@macromedia.com
The Dreamweaver Blog: http://shorterlink.com/?KB8LAL
Developer Resource Kit Volume 2: http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/
Author: Mike Brunt
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99223
Another point in all of this, there is a lot more to a large web application
than just the code. Networks, Routers, Firewalls, DB Servers, Environments,
OS's etc etc. We offer very broad-based business solutions that cover all
aspects of making web-based applications work and in that way have been able
to remain effective as tools and methods evolve.
Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
Blog http://www.webapper.net
Web site http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb
Web Application Specialists
On 12/9/02, Matt Brown penned:
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Yeah. Anyone can go out and buy Dreamweaver for less than they pay me
to build their website, but I haven't run out of work yet. :) Just
because they have a tool, doesn't mean they'll be able to use it for
much more than menial tasks. And even with the backup/rollback
features, I can guarantee that I'll now have customers calling and
saying "Um, Bud. I got this thing called Contribute, and now I've
destroyed my website. Can you help?" :-D
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Author: Bud
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99219
On 12/9/02, Matt Brown penned:
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Yeah. Anyone can go out and buy Dreamweaver for less than they pay me
to build their website, but I haven't run out of work yet. :) Just
because they have a tool, doesn't mean they'll be able to use it for
much more than menial tasks. And even with the backup/rollback
features, I can guarantee that I'll now have customers calling and
saying "Um, Bud. I got this thing called Contribute, and now I've
destroyed my website. Can you help?" :-D
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_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
buddy@twcreations.com
http://www.twcreations.com/
954.721.3452
Author: Joshua Miller
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99209
This is exactly my point - I've seen ActivEdit before and it's a
fabulous product, and this is what I had assumed Contribute is - just a
desktop-only version. And yes, you're right, JAVA Applets probably
aren't the best method. I have yet to find a product like ActivEdit that
works well on say a MAC running Mozilla (granted I haven't used your 3.0
product). I was merely stating that it would be nice to see our software
vendor make a plugin solution for this niche. Although, perhaps not so
nice for the folks at CFDev ;)
>From my experience, albeit not as much as many of you on the list, when
I toss in a product like the SiteObjects editor into a customer's site,
they love it. They can make the small, text-based changes that they want
to make, I don't have to deal with minor text modifications or even
adding photographs or links and they save money. It's not really a
matter of taking money out of your pocket unless you live by small
static HTML changes - if you do then I see your concern, but a desktop
application that can be used without your knowledge, input or assistance
would scare me more than something web-based that you setup and
implement for them (like ActivEdit). From my experience, when you give
customers tools to make their lives easier and that save them time and
money, they come back to you for the dynamic stuff that we all love to
build.
Anyway, my original post was more of a cry for something like ActivEdit
that would be official "Macromedia Software" that would work across
multiple browsers and platforms. I guess I should just look into
ActivEdit and keep my mouth shut about Macromedia making their own.
Again, I'm still lost as to how anyone would lose money because of
Contribute any more than they would with something like FrontPage or
Dreamweaver or ActivEdit for that matter. If someone wants to maintain a
static HTML site with an extremely litmited toolset more power to them.
That's sort of like being worried by pen manufacturers because you're a
writer - true some people will write themselves, but if they want
professional quality then they'll need to consult a professional.
Anyway, this is pretty OT at this point and probably belongs on another
list. Sorry for starting an OT thread.
Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net
webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com
(704) 569-9044 ext. 254
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>Wouldn't it be nice to make Contribute a Java application that could be
>integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
>power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to whoever
>needs to use it - and have it be web-based so as not to have to
>maintain software installations on multiple users' machines?
>Just a thought. At $99 it's a good deal, but it would be more useful if
>it would run on the web.
Actually we have such an application, ActivEdit
(http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/) in the latest version it includes a
Java Applet WYSIWYG Editor, and it starts at $99 as well. Granted it
doesn't have all the features that contribute has.
But I think your overestimating how well Java Applets work across the
board. There are big issues when it comes to getting Java Applets
working on Mac (mainly the LiveConnect API isn't implemented fully on
Mac OSX browsers). Applets do work quite well on Windows, and reasonably
well on Linux however.
I can relate to Macromedia Contribute undercutting many of their
customers, I don't think its helping their popularity with the
development community. However customers that don't want to be tied to
desktop software, and installation issues I think will still go for a
web based WYSIWYG editor/content manager.
_____________________________________________
Pete Freitag
CTO, CFDEV.COM
http://www.cfdev.com/
Author: Jeff Beer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99206
I'm thinking that Contribute offers a great opportunity for
install/configuration/training, with a good upsell for a full-featured,
custom CMS in some cases - either immediately or down the road.
Depends on who we are talking about. Some business will be excited about
Contribute. Others will understand or find out the hard way that they
really need a CMS. Of course many are still finding out the hard way
that CMS is an often abused term and that home grown systems aren't
going to meet their future needs.
Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
> Actually, I don't see any difference other than where it runs. If you
> can integrate it into your application and give your customer this
power
> from anywhere they've got a web connection then that's an added
service
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>
> Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
>
> Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that.
If
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be
>
> >integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
> >power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to
whoever
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Author: Matt Brown
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99196
>Point is in some cases - this will free up some time and allow you to
>create more important changes. While allowing clients text only changes,
>most often than not - an enthusiastic client, whom sees delay changes =
>happy web surfers - they commit to larger and more frequent updates and
>therefore increase my profits.
Matt Brown here. I am the community manager for CT and Dreamweaver.
I think you sum up the product really well in this paragraph. CT is
designed to take away the simple and silly things that need changing, not
the big updates and design changes. What our target customers tell us is
that they are going to do more with the web if they can have more input for
the contributors. OTOH, CT is not a CMS really, it doesn't do strict
approvals, it does not do time based publishing, it does not put data into
a database, it really only works with static pages. I think there is a good
niche for it in many many workflows, but not all. I also think that it is
going to get you more work not less over time because people are going to
really want to do more once they can do some...
_________________________________________________________
Matt Brown Dreamweaver and Contribute Community Manager
Macromedia (415) 706-6543 mbrown@macromedia.com
The Dreamweaver Blog: http://shorterlink.com/?KB8LAL
Developer Resource Kit Volume 2: http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/
Author: Matt Liotta
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99188
It uses FTP, which any security conscious admin would disable.
Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
> Speaking of, does anyone know what it's using to connect to the server
(ie
> RPC)? I got it to try out and I managed to get it working fine to my
home
> server, but it does not work with any of the servers at work (all of
which
> are Solaris). The only thing I can think of is that it's using some
daemon
> that has been disabled during security stripping of servers at work
that I
> didn't do to my server at home.
>
> My feelings on it so far are really I could care less. I use CFStudio
RDS
> and it's just as easy for me to open a file through that as it is
through
> Contribute (then again, I'm not one for WYSIWYG). Contribute opens up
new
> security issues (for example I can turn off RDS on the server, but now
> I'll have to turn off whatever this uses as well). We don't really
have
> access control or separate people designing content and functionality
(and
> when we do, the content portion doesn't change as it's only graphics -
> everything else is database driven).
>
> Cathy
Author: Cathy Taylor
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99185
Speaking of, does anyone know what it's using to connect to the server (ie RPC)?
I got it to try out and I managed to get it working fine to my home server, but
it does not work with any of the servers at work (all of which are Solaris). The
only thing I can think of is that it's using some daemon that has been disabled
during security stripping of servers at work that I didn't do to my server at
home.
My feelings on it so far are really I could care less. I use CFStudio RDS and
it's just as easy for me to open a file through that as it is through Contribute
(then again, I'm not one for WYSIWYG). Contribute opens up new security issues
(for example I can turn off RDS on the server, but now I'll have to turn off
whatever this uses as well). We don't really have access control or separate
people designing content and functionality (and when we do, the content portion
doesn't change as it's only graphics - everything else is database driven).
Cathy
Author: Matt Liotta
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99184
Depends on who we are talking about. Some business will be excited about
Contribute. Others will understand or find out the hard way that they
really need a CMS. Of course many are still finding out the hard way
that CMS is an often abused term and that home grown systems aren't
going to meet their future needs.
Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
> Actually, I don't see any difference other than where it runs. If you
> can integrate it into your application and give your customer this
power
> from anywhere they've got a web connection then that's an added
service
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>
> Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
>
> Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that.
If
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be
>
> >integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
> >power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to
whoever
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if
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sender,
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>
> >If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that
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Author: Pete Freitag
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99181
>Wouldn't it be nice to make Contribute a Java application that could be
>integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
>power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to whoever
>needs to use it - and have it be web-based so as not to have to maintain
>software installations on multiple users' machines?
>Just a thought. At $99 it's a good deal, but it would be more useful if
>it would run on the web.
Actually we have such an application, ActivEdit
(http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/) in the latest version it includes a Java
Applet WYSIWYG Editor, and it starts at $99 as well. Granted it doesn't have
all the features that contribute has.
But I think your overestimating how well Java Applets work across the board.
There are big issues when it comes to getting Java Applets working on Mac
(mainly the LiveConnect API isn't implemented fully on Mac OSX browsers).
Applets do work quite well on Windows, and reasonably well on Linux however.
I can relate to Macromedia Contribute undercutting many of their customers,
I don't think its helping their popularity with the development community.
However customers that don't want to be tied to desktop software, and
installation issues I think will still go for a web based WYSIWYG
editor/content manager.
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Pete Freitag
CTO, CFDEV.COM
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Author: Matt Robertson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99179
Yes, exactly. For a customer who has a largely *static* site and wants to do
modest stuff, Contribute is a fine solution and I would recommend it to clients
who are locked into a big static solution for whatever reason.
To answer Joshua's question regarding why do they need to pay me for a content
management system? Well, they have to pay somebody, don't they? Ignoring all of
the added value I can provide within an integrated system -- as opposed to one
where I have to work around a solution that attempts to be standalone rather than
a component, as Contribute does -- I want the person who gets paid to be me...
not the next guy... and I certainly don't want to be put out of business by my
tool supplier.
Of course we have to adapt to changing landscapes etc. etc. However this sort of
channel conflict is an old story oft repeated. When the supplier goes into the
end-user solutions business -- even if they're only sticking their big toe into
the market ***at the moment*** -- its bad news for the VAR, developer etc.
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Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com - Retail
http://foohbar.org - ColdFusion Tools
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Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:18:42 -0800
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Author: Samuel R. Neff
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99176
Contribute is very closely inner-twined with Dreamweaver--reuses a lot of
the code base. If it were written in Java, it would have to be totally
written from scratch.
I'm also not sure you could do all the things Contribute does if it was
written in Java--particularly the integration with outside applications
like Flash and Office.
Sam
At 02:34 PM 12/9/2002, you wrote:
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Author: Ken Wilson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99174
>then why do they need to pay you for a content management system?
Perhaps so he can continue to pay his kids tuition bill, the mortgage or
buy groceries? :)
Ken
Author: Jason Miller
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99172
I have to agree with Matt - it undercuts my business.
But on the other hand.... I do have clients that spend very good money
with me on large feature and graphic updates.. So where the dozens of
faxes and emails which come through, the tracking and billing of these
whordes of changes, delay the client and I from making more important
changes - I have a duty to my clients to help them run efficiently.
Point is in some cases - this will free up some time and allow you to
create more important changes. While allowing clients text only changes,
most often than not - an enthusiastic client, whom sees delay changes =
happy web surfers - they commit to larger and more frequent updates and
therefore increase my profits.
But - I hope it does stay on the desktop - because once it hits the web
- all those web based forms and intuitive back end solutions come under
fire.. Not sure any of us would enjoy that.
my 02 cents
jay miller
Matt Robertson wrote:
Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that. If
Macromedia becomes an end-user solutions provider it undercuts my
business.
Contribute is fine as a generic and rather basic solution. It has a
fine niche and, speaking for myself, I hope it stays there.
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Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com <http://mysecretbase.com> - Retail
http://foohbar.org <http://foohbar.org> - ColdFusion Tools
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date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:34:47 -0500
Just got a snazzy tri-fold in the mail today about Macromedia
Contribute. It looks great, too bad it doesn't run on the web.
Wouldn't it be nice to make Contribute a Java application that could be
integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to whoever
needs to use it - and have it be web-based so as not to have to maintain
software installations on multiple users' machines?
Just a thought. At $99 it's a good deal, but it would be more useful if
it would run on the web.
My $0.02
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Author: Joshua Miller
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99170
Actually, I don't see any difference other than where it runs. If you
can integrate it into your application and give your customer this power
from anywhere they've got a web connection then that's an added service
that's tied into their application and thus tied into you. If they can
buy it for $99 at Staples and run it at home then why do they need to
pay you for a content management system?
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Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that. If
Macromedia becomes an end-user solutions provider it undercuts my
business.
Contribute is fine as a generic and rather basic solution. It has a
fine niche and, speaking for myself, I hope it stays there.
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Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com - Retail
http://foohbar.org - ColdFusion Tools
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Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:34:47 -0500
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Author: Matt Robertson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99166
Personally, my answer to that is an emphatic NO.
Thats my job to build a system that my customers can use to do that. If
Macromedia becomes an end-user solutions provider it undercuts my business.
Contribute is fine as a generic and rather basic solution. It has a fine niche
and, speaking for myself, I hope it stays there.
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Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com - Retail
http://foohbar.org - ColdFusion Tools
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Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:34:47 -0500
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Author: Joshua Miller
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:19608#99163
Just got a snazzy tri-fold in the mail today about Macromedia
Contribute. It looks great, too bad it doesn't run on the web.
Wouldn't it be nice to make Contribute a Java application that could be
integrated into an existing web-application to give this kind of
power/control to us developers so that we could hand it out to whoever
needs to use it - and have it be web-based so as not to have to maintain
software installations on multiple users' machines?
Just a thought. At $99 it's a good deal, but it would be more useful if
it would run on the web.
My $0.02
Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net <http://www.garrisonenterprises.net/>;
webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com
(704) 569-9044 ext. 254
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