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I would think that given those abilities that integrating it into an intranet security context would provide functionality for permissions. Personally, I'd rather have something that lets me control file/edit permissions and simply sticks to editing capabilities. I want a super-form-control more than a content manager - I'll handle the content management as it applies to my specific application. Is there a version of the DRK2 Rich Text Editor online anywhere that I could try before I buy? I'd like to be able to make an informed decision before jumping into something. Although from the looks of ActivEdit it's going to be hard to beat. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* There are built-in controls to limit users to a particular directory; disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; allow or disallow the ability to assign css styles, and disable the <font> tag and even inline css styles. You can limit users to only edit pages, create pages based on templates, , create pages by copying any existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a file size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not dimensions.) That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users with different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible for permissions from what I can see. -Kevin ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

All of the Flash-based editors seem to suffer from the same problem; they support a limited amount of HTML. While it is understandable that a 400kB plug-in can't render every bit of HTML, it isn't cool that the text component all these editors are based on strips away HTML it doesn't understand. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > I would think that given those abilities that integrating it into an > intranet security context would provide functionality for permissions. > Personally, I'd rather have something that lets me control file/edit > permissions and simply sticks to editing capabilities. I want a > super-form-control more than a content manager - I'll handle the content > management as it applies to my specific application. > > Is there a version of the DRK2 Rich Text Editor online anywhere that I > could try before I buy? I'd like to be able to make an informed decision ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com > ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- edit > pages, create pages based on templates, , create pages by copying any > existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a file > size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not > dimensions.) > > That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users > with different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- it > > is? For example. if I wanted to limit the html editing controls my > > users had (no fonts or colours, for example, or only stylesheet > > classes) could I do this? Or say I wanted to change the colour of the ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

So what do you recommend Matt? Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* All of the Flash-based editors seem to suffer from the same problem; they support a limited amount of HTML. While it is understandable that a 400kB plug-in can't render every bit of HTML, it isn't cool that the text component all these editors are based on strips away HTML it doesn't understand. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > I would think that given those abilities that integrating it into an > intranet security context would provide functionality for permissions. > Personally, I'd rather have something that lets me control file/edit > permissions and simply sticks to editing capabilities. I want a > super-form-control more than a content manager - I'll handle the content > management as it applies to my specific application. > > Is there a version of the DRK2 Rich Text Editor online anywhere that I > could try before I buy? I'd like to be able to make an informed decision ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com > ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- edit > pages, create pages based on templates, , create pages by copying any > existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a file > size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not > dimensions.) > > That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users > with different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- it > > is? For example. if I wanted to limit the html editing controls my > > users had (no fonts or colours, for example, or only stylesheet > > classes) could I do this? Or say I wanted to change the colour of the ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I can't recommend anything. We have looked at everything and not found one to our likely. We created a rich text editor in Flash that's interface is different than one would expect to get around the issues in Flash. However, I'm not happy with it either. IMHO, Flash-based editors could be much better if Macromedia designed the text component slightly different. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com > ************************************************************************ > ************* > > > All of the Flash-based editors seem to suffer from the same problem; > they support a limited amount of HTML. While it is understandable that a ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- [mailto:webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com] ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- permissions. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- I ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- it ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- directory; > > disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- any > > existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a > file > > size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Fair enough. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* I can't recommend anything. We have looked at everything and not found one to our likely. We created a rich text editor in Flash that's interface is different than one would expect to get around the issues in Flash. However, I'm not happy with it either. IMHO, Flash-based editors could be much better if Macromedia designed the text component slightly different. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com > ************************************************************************ > ************* > > > All of the Flash-based editors seem to suffer from the same problem; > they support a limited amount of HTML. While it is understandable that a ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- [mailto:webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com] ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- permissions. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- I ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- it ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- ************************************************************************ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- directory; > > disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- any > > existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a > file > > size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

You should look at soEditor also. http://www.siteobjects.com/pages/order.cfm?object=65&method=viewCart Tim I would think that given those abilities that integrating it into an intranet security context would provide functionality for permissions. Personally, I'd rather have something that lets me control file/edit permissions and simply sticks to editing capabilities. I want a super-form-control more than a content manager - I'll handle the content management as it applies to my specific application. Is there a version of the DRK2 Rich Text Editor online anywhere that I could try before I buy? I'd like to be able to make an informed decision before jumping into something. Although from the looks of ActivEdit it's going to be hard to beat. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* There are built-in controls to limit users to a particular directory; disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; allow or disallow the ability to assign css styles, and disable the <font> tag and even inline css styles. You can limit users to only edit pages, create pages based on templates, , create pages by copying any existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a file size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not dimensions.) That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users with different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible for permissions from what I can see. -Kevin ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I've used soEditor before (EZ-Edit I believe it used to be?) - and that's what I still use actually. I know there's a new version, I'm going to weigh it in as well. I've always been happy with it - but I'm building a large-scale application that's going to support many thousand users and before I go jump into anything I want to evaluate a few of them. Trying to be more conservative about my decision making - LOL Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* You should look at soEditor also. http://www.siteobjects.com/pages/order.cfm?object=65&method=viewCart Tim I would think that given those abilities that integrating it into an intranet security context would provide functionality for permissions. Personally, I'd rather have something that lets me control file/edit permissions and simply sticks to editing capabilities. I want a super-form-control more than a content manager - I'll handle the content management as it applies to my specific application. Is there a version of the DRK2 Rich Text Editor online anywhere that I could try before I buy? I'd like to be able to make an informed decision before jumping into something. Although from the looks of ActivEdit it's going to be hard to beat. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net webmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to postmaster@garrisonenterprisesdigital.com ************************************************************************ ************* There are built-in controls to limit users to a particular directory; disallow editing of scripts/includes/forms/ or even anything but text; allow or disallow the ability to assign css styles, and disable the <font> tag and even inline css styles. You can limit users to only edit pages, create pages based on templates, , create pages by copying any existing page, or make anything from scratch. And you can define a file size limit to how large of a graphic can be used on a page (in KB, not dimensions.) That's pretty much what you can control. You can create groups of users with different permissions. Other than that, it's not really extensible for permissions from what I can see. -Kevin ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Bleeaghhh... steaming pile of code turds. It's a case of "you get what you pay for." Personally, my money would be on http://www.editlive.com/product/editliveforjava/default.asp Although a bit pricey, it takes care of cross-platform nastiness much more efficiently than just about any other editor I've seen. I've not seen any other editors that have impressed me so much.  Most all have major issues on Macs, or require horrendous workarounds to function upon it.  Certainly soEditor provides no solution, since it's IE/Win only. Timothy Heald wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

That is a *nice* product :) Bleeaghhh... steaming pile of code turds. It's a case of "you get what you pay for." Personally, my money would be on http://www.editlive.com/product/editliveforjava/default.asp Although a bit pricey, it takes care of cross-platform nastiness much more efficiently than just about any other editor I've seen. I've not seen any other editors that have impressed me so much.  Most all have major issues on Macs, or require horrendous workarounds to function upon it.  Certainly soEditor provides no solution, since it's IE/Win only. Timothy Heald wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'd like to see an editor that only defines classes in a div or a span, and which provides a default style sheet. The extent of the html would be very simple <a>, <br />, <hr /> and XHTML compliant. One problem I see with this is pulling in word documents, or old HTML with tables and invalid markup. We're currently using ActiveEdit, and even though it's working well, I have this really uneasy feeling about the HTML it's producing. It just completely goes against the concept of separating content from style, but I just can't think of a suitable alternative to doing it this way until we can: a. Go through all of our old content stripping out all of the markup, and then restylizing it using the new editor's classes. b. Make the decision to never paste word documents, or old html into the editor without first "cleansing" it in notepad, and then restylizing it within the editor. That would be a complete administrative nightmare. Is anyone else feeling the same concerns, and has anyone taken measures to address this? I'd be interested in hearing what you did. Adam. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> I'd like to see an editor that only defines classes in a div or a span, and > which provides a default style sheet. The extent of the html would be very > simple <a>, <br />, <hr /> and XHTML compliant. One problem I see with this > is pulling in word documents, or old HTML with tables and invalid markup. > > Is anyone else feeling the same concerns, and has anyone taken measures to > address this? I'd be interested in hearing what you did. Yes, I had the same concerns and I came out with a custom solution: http://hh212167-174.chicagowebs.com/cfxhtml/ I am still working on a few details, but you should get the picture ---------------------------- Massimo Foti Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver http://www.macromedia.com/go/team ----------------------------

Adam, in ActivEdit 3.0 we added a bunch of regular expressions, and parsers to clean up Word content pasted into the control, it's not perfect but it does get rid of lots of extraneous markup when you paste from Word. Are you using Version 3? As for the HTML that ActivEdit generates (actually it's the ActiveX control that generates the HTML in most cases), it is valid HTML 3.2. Many people prefer XHTML output these days, and we do have a CFX tag that will convert HTML 3.2 or 4 into XHTML or vise versa, if your interested let me know. The next version of ActivEdit will address these issues further. You can also set a stylesheet for use within activedit via the stylesheet attribute. _____________________________________________ Pete Freitag CTO, CFDEV.COM http://www.cfdev.com/ I'd like to see an editor that only defines classes in a div or a span, and which provides a default style sheet. The extent of the html would be very simple <a>, <br />, <hr /> and XHTML compliant. One problem I see with this is pulling in word documents, or old HTML with tables and invalid markup. We're currently using ActiveEdit, and even though it's working well, I have this really uneasy feeling about the HTML it's producing. It just completely goes against the concept of separating content from style, but I just can't think of a suitable alternative to doing it this way until we can: a. Go through all of our old content stripping out all of the markup, and then restylizing it using the new editor's classes. b. Make the decision to never paste word documents, or old html into the editor without first "cleansing" it in notepad, and then restylizing it within the editor. That would be a complete administrative nightmare. Is anyone else feeling the same concerns, and has anyone taken measures to address this? I'd be interested in hearing what you did. Adam. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> Bleeaghhh... steaming pile of code turds. Wow Krieg, thanks for the nice compliment. :) --- Don Bellamy SiteObjects, Inc. http://www.siteobjects.com/ Tel (517) 324-4227 ext 100 Fax (517) 324-4267 ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I've used SiteObjects soEditor for a few years now (previously EZEdit) and I tend to disagree with Krieg's assessment ... I think it's quite a nice tool - and you can't beat the price! Thanks, Joshua Miller > Bleeaghhh... steaming pile of code turds. Wow Krieg, thanks for the nice compliment. :) --- Don Bellamy SiteObjects, Inc. http://www.siteobjects.com/ Tel (517) 324-4227 ext 100 Fax (517) 324-4267 ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Hey thanks Pete, you guys make a good product. We're now using version 3 with stylesheets and custom classes - huge improvement. We've taken out the style toolbars that would allow you to change size/color/font, and have replaced them with a set of standard classes. The problem now though is pulling in all of the content that was created with 2.5. There is still a great deal of <font> and other static styles which don't really give our content a consistent feel (at least looking at the source it doesn't). Word documents are much better, but still heavily garbled with unsightly markup - even after filtering. I understand that this may be a limitation of the MS provided "word filter". So thanks for improving the product, we did choose yours for a reason. I'd just like to see a solid format for storing content long-term and still being able to change its presentation 10 years down the road if needed. The goal is to have our content people focusing on their substantive areas of expertise, and not the technical aspects of "why do I have to paste this into notepad and then redo all of the styles again?". That has been a huge process for them - converting a bunch of old dreamweaver code into ActiveEdit, and you can imagine the looks I got when I told them we were upgrading to version 3. All I could say was that it was for their own good :| Hopefully my original msg wasn't taken as being overly critical of your guys' product, was more of a general complaint towards the common markup woes that we still all have to deal with for some reason :) Adam. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Wouldn't that be XML? -Kevin ... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Problem is pulling in either word or other text documents or older html documents from the database. There's no way a text-editor would know how to properly transform that format into our own custom XML. I'm afraid that will still have to be a manual process. XHTML seems like a better step, as from what I believe it's just an 'XML standard that happens to have the syntax of html'. Adam. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Yep, that's the rub. We're looking at big content repositories as well and it does seem like the longer we continue to make stuff in other formats, the bigger the job will be to convert it to something like XML. -Kevin ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Massimo, Tiziana e Federica wrote: > Yes, I had the same concerns and I came out with a custom solution: > > http://hh212167-174.chicagowebs.com/cfxhtml/ > > I am still working on a few details, but you should get the picture Hi Massimo, That looks great. I was just plugging your DWMX extension version, we use it all the time. I'd be very interested in your pro version, what price range (even ballpark?) do you think it will be in? Kay. -- Kay Smoljak ---------------------------- http://kay.smoljak.com

----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- it all the time. I'd be very interested in your pro version, what price range (even ballpark?) do you think it will be in? The price should be pretty good, stay tuned :-) Massimo

Cantrell, Adam wrote: > I'd like to see an editor that only defines classes in a div or a span, and > which provides a default style sheet. The extent of the html would be very > simple <a>, <br />, <hr /> and XHTML compliant. One problem I see with this > is pulling in word documents, or old HTML with tables and invalid markup. Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml_editor It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. Kay. -- Kay Smoljak ---------------------------- http://kay.smoljak.com

"Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml_edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml_edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml_edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

Nope.  Its just a single-domain license.  I have to say I really like AE3.  AE 2.5 worked fine, but had a few rough edges.  Mostly associated with what happened when you tried to paste in from other editors (read: Word).  They did a great job of fixing that up, and adding just enough new good stuff to improve the product without bloating it. I hate to say it, but I've just about abandoned manual content placement in favor of cms-type stuff driven by ActivEdit. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml _edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

The biggest question I would have in using it is how to use it with multiple text fields to edit on a single page. e.g., if a client has an announcements page and has, say, Title, Teaser, and Text fields, and all are separate fields in a database, would I have to set up 3 instances of AE on that page...one for each field? Rick <>< Nope.  Its just a single-domain license.  I have to say I really like AE3.  AE 2.5 worked fine, but had a few rough edges.  Mostly associated with what happened when you tried to paste in from other editors (read: Word).  They did a great job of fixing that up, and adding just enough new good stuff to improve the product without bloating it. I hate to say it, but I've just about abandoned manual content placement in favor of cms-type stuff driven by ActivEdit. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml _edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

I wouldn't set up a separate instance for title...use a text field. For a teaser and a text field, then you'd need a separate instance unless you just wanted a short 2-line teaser with no html....then use a textarea. It isn't a big issue with using more than one instance.  Besides, you'd have to use more than one instance of any other form field type to accomplish the same. As far as the support goes,  in our experience we got replies and a phone call within an hour when we were having an issue with AE John The biggest question I would have in using it is how to use it with multiple text fields to edit on a single page. e.g., if a client has an announcements page and has, say, Title, Teaser, and Text fields, and all are separate fields in a database, would I have to set up 3 instances of AE on that page...one for each field? Rick <>< Nope.  Its just a single-domain license.  I have to say I really like AE3.  AE 2.5 worked fine, but had a few rough edges.  Mostly associated with what happened when you tried to paste in from other editors (read: Word).  They did a great job of fixing that up, and adding just enough new good stuff to improve the product without bloating it. I hate to say it, but I've just about abandoned manual content placement in favor of cms-type stuff driven by ActivEdit. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml _edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

Multiple instances are almost as easy to set up as form fields.   You just call the tag 1x, 2x, 3x... Whatever.  It's a non-issue. Another thing you can do is standardize your tag call into an include. Say a most-of-screen version for your page text, with all of the toolbar trimmings, and a cut-down one that's suitable for smaller/simpler fields.   Its dirt-simple to customize a toolbar.  Just remove the title of the thing you don't want.  Play with it for five minutes and you'll know everything you need to. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com The biggest question I would have in using it is how to use it with multiple text fields to edit on a single page. e.g., if a client has an announcements page and has, say, Title, Teaser, and Text fields, and all are separate fields in a database, would I have to set up 3 instances of AE on that page...one for each field? Rick <>< Nope.  Its just a single-domain license.  I have to say I really like AE3.  AE 2.5 worked fine, but had a few rough edges.  Mostly associated with what happened when you tried to paste in from other editors (read: Word).  They did a great job of fixing that up, and adding just enough new good stuff to improve the product without bloating it. I hate to say it, but I've just about abandoned manual content placement in favor of cms-type stuff driven by ActivEdit. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml _edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

Thanks, guys...  :o) Rick <>< Multiple instances are almost as easy to set up as form fields.   You just call the tag 1x, 2x, 3x... Whatever.  It's a non-issue. Another thing you can do is standardize your tag call into an include. Say a most-of-screen version for your page text, with all of the toolbar trimmings, and a cut-down one that's suitable for smaller/simpler fields. Its dirt-simple to customize a toolbar.  Just remove the title of the thing you don't want.  Play with it for five minutes and you'll know everything you need to. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com The biggest question I would have in using it is how to use it with multiple text fields to edit on a single page. e.g., if a client has an announcements page and has, say, Title, Teaser, and Text fields, and all are separate fields in a database, would I have to set up 3 instances of AE on that page...one for each field? Rick <>< Nope.  Its just a single-domain license.  I have to say I really like AE3.  AE 2.5 worked fine, but had a few rough edges.  Mostly associated with what happened when you tried to paste in from other editors (read: Word).  They did a great job of fixing that up, and adding just enough new good stuff to improve the product without bloating it. I hate to say it, but I've just about abandoned manual content placement in favor of cms-type stuff driven by ActivEdit. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com Looks good and easy to use. Does $100 buy unlimited use of the product? Rick <>< ActivEdit from CFDEV (www.cfdev.com) is VERY good. If only they would invoice me so I can buy it! :) == Peter Tilbrook Project Officer Strategic Development Australian Building Codes Board Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA    E-Mail: peter.tilbrook@abcb.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6213 6731    Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: (02) 6213 7287 "Kay Smoljak" <kay@perthweb.com.au> wrote in message news:000901c2a16d$76f6ace0$0a00a8c0@blackhalo... > Take a look at Massimo's xhtmleditor - > http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml _edi tor > > It doesn't have all the features of some of the others, but it produces beautiful code, links to your stylesheet, and it's free. The extension above still has at least a bug or two. A later version is available on DRK 1 and the editor is still evolving into something better Massimo

Not to bash CFdev Peter. I love their product and I have deployed their product using CF,JSP,and PHP, but they have the worst support in the world. I left a message from them after 2 emails and I didnt get a call back from them for 3 weeks. I do love their product though :) Thanks, Michael ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/special/extensions/#xhtml_edi ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----