uisng Virtual Machine software for hosting (WAS CrystalTech says ALL variables must be locked)

Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something >> along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Cool So you can host Windows and Linux on the same machine? Kola CrystalTech ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- will >> run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only >> were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave >> them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the >> only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for >> you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- what ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- viable ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- products. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

In theory yes. I have not had the chance to try it out though. Keep in mind though this is a little different then something like VMWARE. We have a huge server and just devide up RAM, CPU and disk space and the VPS software locks down the resources so nothing bleeds over. Think of it as a hard drive partition. Then we install NT, Win2K, Win2K3, whatever and assgin an IP address to it. Kinda neat and cheaper than getting an actual dedicated server because the customer does not have to buy a lisence for the OS. Unix is still something we are playing with. We have brought some Unix gurus on board a while ago and are getting them familer with CF. I do know that trying Unix on the VPS is on the list of things to try. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Cool So you can host Windows and Linux on the same machine? Kola CrystalTech ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- will >> run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only >> were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave >> them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the >> only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for >> you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- what ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- viable ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- products. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Dan Phillips wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- But how does it work with CF licenses? Say you split a dual CPU server so it supports 4 virtual servers and host a CF customer in each. What do you need in licenses? Jochem

MM has told us that we only need one license. I'm afraid I don't know all of the whys and why nots but it does work. Basically you would pay us $200USD a month and would have your own install of CF and Windows. Cheaper than buying the licenses yourself so that is good but it's still not as powerful as your very own server. It works quite well though for customers we have that no longer want to be in the shared enviornment but cannot commit to a dedicated server contract. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dan Phillips wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- But how does it work with CF licenses? Say you split a dual CPU server so it supports 4 virtual servers and host a CF customer in each. What do you need in licenses? Jochem

Do you have a link for info about this VPS function of Win2K3? I've never heard of this before. James, CFHosts says ALL variables must be locked) We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Think this is it http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/virtualserver.ms px WG says ALL variables must be locked) Do you have a link for info about this VPS function of Win2K3? I've never heard of this before. James, CFHosts says ALL variables must be locked) We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

That's pretty much it. The rest of it is some propriatary stuff we developed in house to smooth it out a bit. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Think this is it http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/virtualserve r.ms px WG says ALL variables must be locked) Do you have a link for info about this VPS function of Win2K3? I've never heard of this before. James, CFHosts says ALL variables must be locked) We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

show off :-) WG says ALL variables must be locked) That's pretty much it. The rest of it is some propriatary stuff we developed in house to smooth it out a bit. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Think this is it http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/virtualserve r.ms px WG says ALL variables must be locked) Do you have a link for info about this VPS function of Win2K3? I've never heard of this before. James, CFHosts says ALL variables must be locked) We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I wish it was me that came up with the idea :-) I just maintain them help customer's get setup on them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) show off :-) WG says ALL variables must be locked) That's pretty much it. The rest of it is some propriatary stuff we developed in house to smooth it out a bit. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Think this is it http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/virtualserve r.ms px WG says ALL variables must be locked) Do you have a link for info about this VPS function of Win2K3? I've never heard of this before. James, CFHosts says ALL variables must be locked) We are doing it and already have about 20 customers up and running on this since we released it last month. We are using Win2K3's VPS function. Each VPS can have any version of Windows or any OS that will run on an x86 CPU. It runs quite well. No problems to report. Not only were we able to give customers full control of their VPS, we also gave them root level terminal server access and reboot permissions. About the only limitation is that you can't install software unless we do it for you. This way, we can make sure all software installed is legal in case we get audited. http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) Dave This is something I've been thinking about recently. Does anyone actually use VMWARE/virtual PC for hosting applications on the same server but multiple Operating systems? Kola ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- you >> might be better off with true separation through virtualization - >> something along the lines of the VMware GSX and ESX server products. >> If not, you'd ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

This is the result of MS buying Connectix's Virtual PC software - if you've used VPC then you've use this (sorta). VPC is a very nice app... runs well and when locked to hard disk partition (as I'm assuming most VPS hosters are doing) runs pretty damn quick as well. In fact some synthetic benchmarks get confused and claim that the VPC runs faster than the host.  ;^) Jim Davis ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Would anyone out there be interested in trying it out in exchange for some feedback and sharing with "the group" how your experience was? I'm sure I can convince the powers that be here to give up some free space for some testing if there is an interest. Contact me off list if this is something you would like to try. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 dphillips@cfxhosting.com says ALL variables must be locked) This is the result of MS buying Connectix's Virtual PC software - if you've used VPC then you've use this (sorta). VPC is a very nice app... runs well and when locked to hard disk partition (as I'm assuming most VPS hosters are doing) runs pretty damn quick as well. In fact some synthetic benchmarks get confused and claim that the VPC runs faster than the host.  ;^) Jim Davis ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----