He3

Hey everyone, Some of you have been working with Matt Liotta's Eclipse plugin for ColdFusion so we thought you'd find this of interest. Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse.  We're going to be making a beta release of the product at CFUN-04, the big east coast CF conference (http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/index.cfm). Sorry for the spam-ish update. rish -------------------------------- Guy Rish grish@gestaltech.com Gestaltech, Inc.       be more... http://www.gestaltech.com

> Gestaltech (my company) and R337 Consulting (Matt's company) have formed a > partnership (http://www.richpalette.com) for the construction of a new > product, He3, a ColdFusion IDE based upon Eclipse. Wow ! Great news ! Sign me up for that beta, there is no way I'm going to be able to go to a conference in another country ( :-( )... Would the final product be free (beer, speech) ? If not, do you have a price point in mind ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: tom.chiverton@bluefinger.com BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.***

>  Sign me up for that beta, there is no way I'm going to be able to go > to a >  conference in another country ( :-( )... > The public beta will begin after CFUN-04, but we will certainly keep you informed. We have had significant response to our initial announcement and as such we are creating an announcement mailing list. If you or anyone else would like to be on that list, please send an email to info@richpalette.com. >  Would the final product be free (beer, speech) ? If not, do you have > a price >  point in mind ? > The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. However, we are not currently disclosing what editions of He3 will be or how much they will cost. It is certainly possible that one particular edition of He3 will be available for free even after the beta ends. Ultimately, He3 will be reasonably priced. -Matt

Sorry if this has been asked already, but what is the differences between He3 and cfeclipse going to be?

Well there are some obvious differences that would exist between any commercial offering and an open source project. I won't summarize those since I think we all understand them. The main difference will be in functionality, which is hard to enumerate right now since we haven't disclosed all the features of He3. However, we did already announce support Fusebox 4 and Mach-II as well as expression builders that cfeclipse doesn't have. There will be plenty more features in He3 that we don't expect cfeclipse will get especially in regards to CFCs and debugger. We will be making more announcements about additional functionality as time goes on. I don't want to take away from the work being done by the cfeclipse project. However, any ColdFusion IDE that expects to compete with what was ColdFusion Studio has to have a significant amount of breadth and depth. Today the cfeclipse project doesn't provide that, but that is perfectly okay for that project. He3 on the other hand --as a commercial product-- must. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 6, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked already, but what is the differences >  between He3 and cfeclipse going to be?

Well when you get the feature list posted somewhere I will look at it then. That's all I wanted was the features. Not all the other fluff. Matt Liotta wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> Sorry if this has been asked already, but what is the differences > between He3 and cfeclipse going to be? The point of cfeclipse is to create a ColdFusion IDE that is developer focused, and to give coders and alternative to Macromedia's offering which I feel falls far short of good (from a coders point of view) - I am leaving off jedit, bbedit, etc because I think they fall a bit short on some CF specific things while they do excel as editors. If He3 gives developers another alternative I think that's good - choice is good. Technology and innovation tend to stop when there is only one supplier of a particular type of product or tool. Companies get fat and lazy (kind of like me :-D) To clear the air real quick: On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 06:55, Matt Liotta wrote: > ... However, we did already announce > support Fusebox 4 and Mach-II cfeclipse has "announced" that too, and Chris Queener has been working on it for a while >  as well as expression builders that > cfeclipse doesn't have. not sure what that means but if its a regex builder we've been talking about that too > There will be plenty more features in He3 that > we don't expect cfeclipse will get especially in regards to CFCs and > debugger. Oliver is far along the path of having the cfeclipse debugger going - it already finds some simple cf errors and we expect this to grow in time. It also can (partly) understand cfcs and functions and we are, currently in fact, taking about the best place to store this information for code insight. > I don't want to take away from the work being done by the cfeclipse > project. Don't worry, you can't. > However, any ColdFusion IDE that expects to compete with what > was ColdFusion Studio has to have a significant amount of breadth and > depth. Today the cfeclipse project doesn't provide that, but that is > perfectly okay for that project. He3 on the other hand --as a > commercial product-- must. In closing, more products are better than less. cfeclipse will always be free and open source - this new thing may or may not - but it is still good to have choices. At the least, Macromedia may start to loose business in in the cfide market and create a more advanced product. We are free as in beer (Guinness if you please). Cheers, Rob -- Rob <me@robrohan.com>

At 09:31 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: > > >The beta version(s) of the product will be freely available as in beer, >but not speech. We do plan to sell a version of He3 in the future. What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean?  To me, free as in beer would be a scam - like all those posters in university that offered "FREE BEER!" and then when you read them, were about something completely different. T

Remember, you don't "own" a beer, you only rent it :) Of course, beer always tastes better when someone else is buying, which is why I am so proud to say that I actually DO work for beer :P Pete Thane Sherrington wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean?   http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: tom.chiverton@bluefinger.com BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.***

At 02:58 PM 5/6/2004 +0100, Thomas Chiverton wrote: > > > What do the terms free as in beer and free as in speech mean? > >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Thanks Tom.  I'd always wondered about them, but never asked. T

closed or open beta? -adam ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Adam, We are current intending an open beta. rish closed or open beta? -adam ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- making ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

All the attendees of CFUN-04 will receive a CD containing the first beta version of He3. Additionally, the beta will be available to the general public from our web site after the conference is over. Clearly, if you want to be one of the first people to use He3 then you should attend CFUN-04, which happens to also be the best CFML conference this year. Matt Liotta R337 Consulting LLC http://r337.com On May 5, 2004, at 4:02 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'd love to go Matt, but anybody around here who's been to my boss's place would understand why I could never go to a conference between 1 May and 31 October. (The webcams are showing are annual tree planting right now. Should have a timelapse vid up in the next half hour.) Cutter Matt Liotta wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----