Don't mean to be picky

In the quest for the separation of business logic layer and presentation layer, went to fusebox.org site, interesting stuff, just for the heck of it, tried an invalid value for a parameter, "fuse" threw a cf error, it's sort of interesting that "fuse" threw its err msg, however, it also included CF server native error msg that revealed full template path, I would hope that wasn't intended. Agree 100% framework and methodology is extremely important, meantime, if there's a better/systematic approach to Data Validation in addition to what's already available(try/catch/throw etc.), that would improve application security alot well, imho.

Yeah, IMHO FB 4/MVC is the ultimate in business logic/presentation later separation. I just finished my first FB4/MVC project, and I'm very happy with the way it turned out. A widely adapted methodology. Great support community. You're right, that error on fusebox.org is careless. Greg In the quest for the separation of business logic layer and presentation layer, went to fusebox.org site, interesting stuff, just for the heck of it, tried an invalid value for a parameter, "fuse" threw a cf error, it's sort of interesting that "fuse" threw its err msg, however, it also included CF server native error msg that revealed full template path, I would hope that wasn't intended. Agree 100% framework and methodology is extremely important, meantime, if there's a better/systematic approach to Data Validation in addition to what's already available(try/catch/throw etc.), that would improve application security alot well, imho.

Has anyone looked into the deficiency of CSS for presentation (with a twist if necessary) without Fusebox (not implying that Fusebox excludes CSS for presentation)? ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Huh? I don't understand what you mean. I use a ton of CSS with FB3 and have no problems. Where's the deficiency? -- Howard Fore, mylists@hofo.com On May 21, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Chunshen (Don) Li wrote: > Has anyone looked into the deficiency of CSS for presentation (with a > twist if necessary) without Fusebox (not implying that Fusebox > excludes CSS for presentation)?

I assume it's a jab at the fact that FB3's nested layouts cater VERY well to table-based layouts, while they don't specifically help CSS-based layouts (though they certianly don't hinder either). However, I totally agree with you.  We just converted what had been a totally table-based layout to pure CSS in the past couple weeks and it was a breeze. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

>We just converted what had been a >totally table-based layout to pure CSS in the past couple weeks and it >was a breeze. So, end result = from ( bl <--> pres ) to   ( bl    <-------->    pres ) yes?

It's actually kind of scary how many sites break when you play with their query parameters. Scary - and sad. -Raymond Camden Chunshen (Don) Li wrote: > In the quest for the separation of business logic layer and presentation layer, went to fusebox.org site, interesting stuff, just for the heck of it, tried an invalid value for a parameter, "fuse" threw a cf error, it's sort of interesting that "fuse" threw its err msg, however, it also included CF server native error msg that revealed full template path, I would hope that wasn't intended. > > Agree 100% framework and methodology is extremely important, meantime, if there's a better/systematic approach to Data Validation in addition to what's already available(try/catch/throw etc.), that would improve application security alot well, imho.

Yes.  Share your sentiment completely, you and I wouldn't do this to others without provocation (don't take me wrong on my naughtiness with fusebox.org), however, I just "noticed" to my great dismay the world has more than 2 :( ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> A widely adapted methodology. "adapted" = great typo/pun! Chris

To be able to repeat "great typo" consistently would be very desirable :) >> A widely adapted methodology. > >"adapted" = great typo/pun! > >Chris