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Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214942
Are you trying to get it going again or what ?
I'll echo that.
Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in
this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now.
Thanks in advance!
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction
at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore,
Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214940
I'll echo that.
Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in
this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now.
Thanks in advance!
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214933
Connie, for the thousandth time, take it offlist, and don't post your
offlist replies here.
Dave just stop replying please so that the thread stops.
Russ
Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen
porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All
you keep doing is showing how immature you really are.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Phillip Beazley
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214932
At 06:32 PM 8/13/2005, you wrote:
>I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to
>piss you off when you see me wearing it.
I got a bit distracted, but I want one, too. Uglier the better, please.
--
Phillip Beazley
Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce
Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600.
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214929
hey ya know what lady, keep it up its really boosted Wills sales :)
And lets see, I just talked to i cand and she said she sent you a email back
saying that if you ever contact them again they will file harassment charges
against you and I just got off the phone with Charlie and he will be telling you
the same thing.
So why do you think you have the right to even try that? It's called slander and
is against the law and I will be chatting with my attorney about it.
And teen porn? where am i doing teen porn? a girl modeling an i can.d swim suit
or a way to big shirt is now teen porn? Did you get hit with an "i'm a dumbass"
stick twice or something? I mean I guess every beach, river, swimming pool, etc
is now a "teen porn" zone?
gimme a break lol
I have told you like 10 times to bring this to me off list and you dont and then
u say its me keeping it going and are immature?
it's immature when u get yer ass roasted and have to go to the extremes that you
are to try and get even. I mean you are emailing these other people off list
telling them what assholes they are, im right here and you know my addy.
You are and am wrong, so just admit it and appologize and let it go, my gawd
girlfriend get over it!!
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen
porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All
you keep doing is showing how immature you really are.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Phill B
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214927
ENOUGH ALREADY! Let it go. No one cares. The list is for ColdFusion.
Not this crap.
> Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen
> porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All
> you keep doing is showing how immature you really are.
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214925
Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen
porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All
you keep doing is showing how immature you really are.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Dave Watts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214920
Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in
this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now.
Thanks in advance!
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214917
LMFAO!!
well said todd!!
So now the lil bitch is showing her true professionalism and is going to my
clients sites and emailing them and obviously trying to drum up some business by
trying to degrade me to them.
What connies lil bitch ass doesnt get is that the ones he emailed are my friends
and I also get a copy of the letters.
And they I will make sure they file the appropriate complaints with authorities.
Now if anyone needs banned its you connie, there is never a time when you go to
someone clients site and do that, even though in my case they'd only laugh at
your ass cause I burned it so bad!
That is the true sign of a true POS (piece of shit) so now you have crossed the
line.
you are truely lame connie, first you rip those who contribute then u cry cause
u got roasted and now you are mailing my clients which is lower than low and you
have still yet to take this to me off line.
Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic
and yeah im sure you are getting job offeres off of this, lol whatever , you are
so far into denial land that you don't know where you are.
And why dont I post the peoples comments?
because I am not as lame as you are, they made those to me off list and they
stay that way unless they say its ok 4 me to do.
There really are no words for what a tasteless low life you really are.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
Connie,
What whacked out alternate reality do you live in that makes you think
posting a private message from Dave to the entire list was appropriate?
In summary, Dave spanked your ass offline and you are looking for support
and rallying to start up the 'Dave Sucks Club' because you can't handle his
brutal honesty? Come on, get a clue.
What is the relevance of whether you like Will's shirts or not? Like I
really give a shit what you think anyway. Will's intentions were noble and
yours weren't. Will is trying to help others and you are trying to be
hurtful.
You may very well find that your attitude and childish BS makes it difficult
for you to find much support or help around here when you might actually
have a real question or need help. You need to deal with your self identity
issues and learn when to walk away from a fight after your ass is beat.
Most of us subscribe to this list to discuss REAL CF issues and questions
and frankly I don't appreciate you hijacking the entire list for your
personal crusade to rid the world of ugly CF shirts. Your silly attacks on
people and continued whining is far uglier than any CF shirt could ever be.
If you don't like the shirts then don't buy them plain and simple. Your
opinion is clearly stated when you elect not to purchase the shirts. Nothing
more needs to be said.
I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to
piss you off when you see me wearing it.
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Author: Todd Mathews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214905
Connie,
What whacked out alternate reality do you live in that makes you think
posting a private message from Dave to the entire list was appropriate?
In summary, Dave spanked your ass offline and you are looking for support
and rallying to start up the 'Dave Sucks Club' because you can't handle his
brutal honesty? Come on, get a clue.
What is the relevance of whether you like Will's shirts or not? Like I
really give a shit what you think anyway. Will's intentions were noble and
yours weren't. Will is trying to help others and you are trying to be
hurtful.
You may very well find that your attitude and childish BS makes it difficult
for you to find much support or help around here when you might actually
have a real question or need help. You need to deal with your self identity
issues and learn when to walk away from a fight after your ass is beat.
Most of us subscribe to this list to discuss REAL CF issues and questions
and frankly I don't appreciate you hijacking the entire list for your
personal crusade to rid the world of ugly CF shirts. Your silly attacks on
people and continued whining is far uglier than any CF shirt could ever be.
If you don't like the shirts then don't buy them plain and simple. Your
opinion is clearly stated when you elect not to purchase the shirts. Nothing
more needs to be said.
I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to
piss you off when you see me wearing it.
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214901
umm yeah you attacked Will, you can't see that? you have issues BIG ones!
and i am glad you have takin it upon yourself to determine what is or what isnt
damaging to cfm, if it was don't ya maybe just maybe think MM wouldnt have
approved them? or why all the BIG cfm ppl have them, wear them, promote them.....
Including the more "famous" ppl at MM.
Connie its great you have an opinion but it doesnt mean its right and you were
very untacful and quite rude in the way you attatcked them and Will and everyone
here knows it except you.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
That's correct. And you just proved my point that I never attacked Will. I
am attacking his product as being inaccurate and damaging to the brand of
Coldfusion.
Thank you Dave.
yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line
Broadcast mail to will that said
"The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They
look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font
is not even close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did
you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn
t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from
PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it
already!"
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214898
Sorry, but Dave already made this very public. I am extremely offended.
I think it's a bit much posting that language to this list connie. You
should have kept that private.
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214894
That's correct. And you just proved my point that I never attacked Will. I
am attacking his product as being inaccurate and damaging to the brand of
Coldfusion.
Thank you Dave.
yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line
Broadcast mail to will that said
"The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They
look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font
is not even close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did
you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn
t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from
PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it
already!"
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214889
I think it's a bit much posting that language to this list connie. You
should have kept that private.
Russ
I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons (dave@jamwerx.com)
has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him.
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM
To: cdecinko@lonejet.com
Cc: Will Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock
sucking little piece of shit!
now there i said it!
fucking asshole!!
They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your
opinion counts for shit anyways.
Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry
ass wearing or even being associated with cfm.
It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you
are, lol
You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to
in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the
shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass
crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over
security at shared hosts and all your other "my screws are completely loose"
bullshit!
you are an asshole, period
did you get that or should I say it again?
dickhead
On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote:
The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They
look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is
not even close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did you
think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn
t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from
PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already!
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM
To: Charlie Griefer
Cc: Dave Lyons; cdecinko@lonejet.com
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
Charlie and Connie,
I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason
you'd pick on the tshirts.
Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the
shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple.
They convey an easily understood message, "COLDFUSION". What is
"ColdFusion"? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy
wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put
it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more
people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid
garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it
makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening
a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean?
For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight
cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that
does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement
printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the
shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where
the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two
negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on.
So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better
to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments
because you've already embarassed yourselves enough.
Will
Charlie Griefer wrote:
Hey guys.
Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael
and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as
anybody) to cool it once.
Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown
tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see
this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but
none of us has done crap compared to them.
Right now, we're shitting in their house. Let's try and show them a
little respect, huh?
Got issues with each other? Email directly. Got issues with me?
Screw yourself then (kidding...got issues with me, email me) :)
On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson <mailto:mhwd@bellsouth.net>
<mhwd@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd
post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here,
but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ...
Will,
- No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt
arrived and is looks great.
-Very cool shirt, thanks!
-These shirts came really quickly, and they are great!
Thanks for offering them.
Good luck,
-Hey Will,
Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the
others
should go down a treat at next months UG meeting.
Cheers,
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214885
yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line Broadcast
mail to will that said
"The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look
like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even
close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did you think that
up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to
raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because
you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already!"
You write something like that to someone not even involved and you are going to
get something back.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons (dave@jamwerx.com)
has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him.
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM
To: cdecinko@lonejet.com
Cc: Will Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock
sucking little piece of shit!
now there i said it!
fucking asshole!!
They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your
opinion counts for shit anyways.
Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry
ass wearing or even being associated with cfm.
It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you
are, lol
You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to
in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the
shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass
crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over
security at shared hosts and all your other "my screws are completely loose"
bullshit!
you are an asshole, period
did you get that or should I say it again?
dickhead
On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote:
The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They
look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is
not even close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did you
think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn
t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from
PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already!
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM
To: Charlie Griefer
Cc: Dave Lyons; cdecinko@lonejet.com
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
Charlie and Connie,
I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason
you'd pick on the tshirts.
Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the
shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple.
They convey an easily understood message, "COLDFUSION". What is
"ColdFusion"? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy
wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put
it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more
people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid
garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it
makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening
a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean?
For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight
cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that
does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement
printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the
shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where
the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two
negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on.
So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better
to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments
because you've already embarassed yourselves enough.
Will
Charlie Griefer wrote:
Hey guys.
Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael
and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as
anybody) to cool it once.
Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown
tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see
this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but
none of us has done crap compared to them.
Right now, we're shitting in their house. Let's try and show them a
little respect, huh?
Got issues with each other? Email directly. Got issues with me?
Screw yourself then (kidding...got issues with me, email me) :)
Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd
post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here,
but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ...
Will,
- No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt
arrived and is looks great.
-Very cool shirt, thanks!
-These shirts came really quickly, and they are great!
Thanks for offering them.
Good luck,
-Hey Will,
Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the
others
should go down a treat at next months UG meeting.
Cheers,
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214878
I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons (dave@jamwerx.com)
has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him.
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM
To: cdecinko@lonejet.com
Cc: Will Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock
sucking little piece of shit!
now there i said it!
fucking asshole!!
They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your
opinion counts for shit anyways.
Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry
ass wearing or even being associated with cfm.
It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you
are, lol
You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to
in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the
shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass
crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over
security at shared hosts and all your other "my screws are completely loose"
bullshit!
you are an asshole, period
did you get that or should I say it again?
dickhead
On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote:
The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are
offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They
look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is
not even close to being right. And "Property of..."? How original! Did you
think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn
t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from
PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already!
_____
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM
To: Charlie Griefer
Cc: Dave Lyons; cdecinko@lonejet.com
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
Charlie and Connie,
I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason
you'd pick on the tshirts.
Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the
shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple.
They convey an easily understood message, "COLDFUSION". What is
"ColdFusion"? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy
wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put
it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more
people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid
garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it
makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening
a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean?
For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight
cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that
does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement
printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the
shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where
the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two
negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on.
So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better
to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments
because you've already embarassed yourselves enough.
Will
Charlie Griefer wrote:
Hey guys.
Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael
and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as
anybody) to cool it once.
Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown
tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see
this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but
none of us has done crap compared to them.
Right now, we're shitting in their house. Let's try and show them a
little respect, huh?
Got issues with each other? Email directly. Got issues with me?
Screw yourself then (kidding...got issues with me, email me) :)
On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson <mailto:mhwd@bellsouth.net>
<mhwd@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd
post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here,
but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ...
Will,
- No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt
arrived and is looks great.
-Very cool shirt, thanks!
-These shirts came really quickly, and they are great!
Thanks for offering them.
Good luck,
-Hey Will,
Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the
others
should go down a treat at next months UG meeting.
Cheers,
Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214859
mac -
on DALnet.
You familiar with IRC or do you want/need more info on getting there?
Charlie
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Author: mac jordan
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214847
> For the past 4 years, I've run an IRC channel
> dedicated to ColdFusion.
where's that?
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Author: Will Tomlinson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214838
Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd post a
few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here, but I WILL
tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ...
Will,
- No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt
arrived and is looks great.
-Very cool shirt, thanks!
-These shirts came really quickly, and they are great!
Thanks for offering them.
Good luck,
-Hey Will,
Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the others
should go down a treat at next months UG meeting.
Cheers,
Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214837
Good thing the weekend's here. I think we can all use it :)
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214836
LMFAO!!!!
but connie that was totally tasteless, rude and very "bitchy", hell this whole
time I thought you were a girl too, too funny!!!
" My son could have done better with his crayons."
you mean with your crayons? does he know you aren't his mom? Im sure Will & I
werent the only ones who didnt know you are a guy.
I wouldnt be getting pissed cause he wrote back with a simple mistake after your
lame attack on his shirts which are probably outta your league anyway, maybe if
he put beavis and butthead on then they'd be the style you would go for..........
See this is what my whole thread was about, someone does something good for the
community and some asswipe like you comes along and spews your crap all over it
with no appreciation what so ever are you really Micha in disguise?
you just got tagged with the POS label in my book!
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
Excuse me, but why don't you get your facts straight before you open your
big fat mouth. I am a man, not a woman. And second, others have said they
look like a developer, not a designer designed them. They lack style and
look like they were done with basic Windows fonts. My son could have done
better with his crayons.
>Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the
quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that
bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would
call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The
quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own!
Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before
you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses.
Will
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214834
Excuse me, but why don't you get your facts straight before you open your
big fat mouth. I am a man, not a woman. And second, others have said they
look like a developer, not a designer designed them. They lack style and
look like they were done with basic Windows fonts. My son could have done
better with his crayons.
>Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the
quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that
bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would
call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The
quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own!
Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before
you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses.
Will
Author: Will Tomlinson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214832
>Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the quality of
these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that bounce right off
them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would call something cheap
when they haven't even looked at it in person. The quality of the shirts and the
designs stands on its own!
Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before you'll be
happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses.
Will
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214830
well the biggest program in there is flash make no mistake about that.
So basically the new studio is the new flash and some other programs..........
is it worth the upgrade?? hell f**k yes!!!
the new stuff is badddddddddddddd azzzzzzzzzzzzz
www.communitymx.com has a bunch of free articles this week on some of the new
stuff
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
I know Studio now includes Contribute and Flashpaper, which Contribute
included anyway, but does anyone else feel there's something missing? It's
no great loss that they dropped Freehand from the suite, but still... For
most people it feels like Studio is now nothing more than Dreamweaver and
Fireworks. What is the cost to upgrade just those two apps?
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214829
I know Studio now includes Contribute and Flashpaper, which Contribute
included anyway, but does anyone else feel there's something missing? It's
no great loss that they dropped Freehand from the suite, but still... For
most people it feels like Studio is now nothing more than Dreamweaver and
Fireworks. What is the cost to upgrade just those two apps?
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Judith Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214826
Wow! This thread has turned into a flame war. Calm down, guys!
Just wanted to let you know that we've put up two articles on Studio 8 on Fusion
Authority, and another article discussing whether you can sell an old copy of
Contribute 3 or Flashpaper 2 (many people did buy those products separately) once
you upgrade to Studio 8. Here are the URLS:
Studio 8: The Next Generation Part I
http://www.fusionauthority.com/Reviews/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4485
Studio 8: The Next Generation Part II
http://www.fusionauthority.com/Reviews/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4487
Transferring Ownership of Your Macromedia Software
http://www.fusionauthority.com/Knowledge_Base/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4486
Judith Dinowitz
Editor
Fusion Authority
http://www.fusionauthority.com
The House of Fusion Technical Magazine
Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214825
When a thread starts to talk about things that have nothing to do with the
subject, then PLEASE change the subject. The subject above says Studio 8. This
has nothing to do with CF vs.
PHP.
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214824
Charlie, I off list mailed you
and the rest, ya know i am not trying to piss you guys off just make you think
about what you are doing and maybe just maybe you'll see what it is and maybe
help contribute to instead of degrading what it is that makes you a decent
living.
TG, I am done with this thead, if you want to go, mail me off list
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214823
(snippage)
> and for Charlie:
> Ya know charlie I love kids more than anything and I can understand that
but its still no excuse, while I don't have a "family" I do have a daughter and
my child support alone is $1000 a month and I can afford to support our cfm.
>
> And since you love attacking my "grammer" and "infinate knowledge" or
whatever thats fine go for it.
>
> You attack my grammer malfuctions and I'll laugh at your measily paycheck
how about that?
-sigh-. I know this is going to be an exercise in futility...kind of
like trying to get just a little bit of light from a burnt out
bulb...but here goes nothing.
I have close to 3,000 posts on Easycfm.com. I've written a number of
tutorials there. For the past 4 years, I've run an IRC channel
dedicated to ColdFusion. I answer questions on here (when I can).
I'm active in my local CFUG. I think all of that does a hell of a lot
more to support the CF Community than you are doing walking around in
a t-shirt. I just don't particularly see you as being in a position
to tell anybody that they're not doing enough for the CF community or
that they're "cheap" or that they're "pathetic". I wouldn't expect
that from anybody, frankly.
You want to laugh at my "measily" paycheck go right ahead. I'm a
pretty happy person and think I do OK. My wife and kids are happy
with what we've got, which is a lot more important to me than whether
or not you find it amusing.
And since the thread is (and has been) thoroughly off topic, and is
travelling at light speed towards the point of diminishing returns (if
not already way past it), I'll bow out now in spite of whatever witty
retort you may have (feel free to post it to cf-community or send it
to my email)
--
Charlie Griefer
================================================
"...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies,
and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch
you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be
destroyed."
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214821
lol soooooooooooo
it's called promoting coldfusion and come on, I have seen most of you and I can
surely say that there are no fashion mongers between us!! so thats not an excuse.
(btw~ sorry connie but sam only delivers to my house!)(but she is available for
modeling jobs, I'll put up new bikini pix from weds and more coming on sunday for
y'all if its requested, email me off list. see im giving back with some midday
motivation :) )
I'll wear the shirt out and almost every time someone will ask me about it and a
lot of the ppl are using php cause like always they think cfm is expensive, so by
wearing the shirt and talking to these ppl I am able to bring more ppl to the cfm
front.
Sitting in your closet (at your parents house) writing cfm code isn't "promoting
it" I hate to tell ya.
and for Charlie:
Ya know charlie I love kids more than anything and I can understand that but its
still no excuse, while I don't have a "family" I do have a daughter and my child
support alone is $1000 a month and I can afford to support our cfm.
And since you love attacking my "grammer" and "infinate knowledge" or whatever
thats fine go for it.
You attack my grammer malfuctions and I'll laugh at your measily paycheck how
about that?
The funny thing about my whole beef on here this time is this:
Everytime something new is released the same ppl bitch about it and how it
doesnt server them up their exact order, an order which they refuse to pay for
btw~ And if it did give them what they want then they wouldn't want to pay for it
and thats bullshit, those same ppl bitch about every single thing that comes
along but they aren't smart enough to figure out that why products don't include
cfm support. Ya know all these editors that basically support every other
language but not cfm, do you guys not wonder why that is?
It's not brain surgery. I hope your car mechanic uses free tools or that your
surgeon got his medical license from Crazy Larry's FREE instant online degree
site.
Free tools are nice but like when Rob releases a new version of cfeclipse and
all you guys do is piss and moan about it, how do you think it makes him feel, do
you think he wants to invest all his extra time in something that you guys just
try and degrade cause you have to spend another 30 seconds to find a plugin that
you want.
If I was Rob or anyone that goes through that after putting so much effort into
it I would charge for it and let all the cheap asses fend for themselfs (they
always have notepad! since they are on windows, how come you dont hardly see ppl
with macs complaining about buying stuff?)
Point is that if we all want better cfm support in products then chip in and
help out cause thats the biggest disadvantage of cfm.
Don't get me wrong, I love most of you guys and our coding support on here is
amazing, a truely valuable resource in which I am truelly greatfull:) But we need
to do more as a community to get those things we want in products because we are
seen as the "group who only bitches" and the ppl making these products don't want
to deal with us and that's reality:(
~Dave the disruptor~
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital
to form a corporation."
I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official
logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and
most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on
everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214817
I do some nice Captain Coldfusion shirts :-)
Russ
I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official
logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and
most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on
everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214816
I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official
logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs.
>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and
most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on
everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214805
I bet most of those free PHP scripts you could have written yourself in the
amount of time it takes to search for them.
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is
fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or
whatever.
Michael B.
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214803
Ok, I'll show support, but only if a cute blonde wearing only one of the
shirts delivers my gold plated box and engraved CD. And she better bring
snacks!
would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the
box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and
only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay
more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214793
"Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your
clients are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably
true."
I think it's also good to keep in mind that the majority of clients in
the world are either smaller companies or want to spend as little as
possible on anything related to the web, especially in this post-bubble
era. Even a lot of larger companies spend considerable energy trying to
avoid projects with hefty budgets.
--Ferg
Author: Kerry
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214778
ewww, clients with small budgets.... the php guys are welcome to them!
simple.
You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as an
example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not FREE, it's
just an example, I forget if this is the free one).
So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it
looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or charge
them several grand to write one for them.
Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then.
Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for
everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof
customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using readily
available apps/scripts in other lanaguages.
The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the
cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they.
Russ
I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff
in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean
you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that
come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know
people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people
together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining.
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have
to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made
and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion gear" in my
opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving
it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what
they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need,
but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living
community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants
to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and
help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to
venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let
everyone get back to work.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214775
Thus why I said
<quote>
Lots of clients sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for
everything to be custom written
</quote>
And of course it depends on your clients, that is the whole point. You
cannot expect them all to have £200k to spend.
russ
The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the
client really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they.
Russ
Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your
clients are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably
true.
On the other hand, most of my development life has been behind corporate
firewalls. There are other factors for these kinds of clients; such as
security. We have to deal with HIPPA regulations. And I can say that we
are much more likely to pay for a solution, if that solution can be said to
be more secure, better documented and have an accountable support system
that we can rely on if there is a problem.
So as with most things in life, it depends on your perspective.
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BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
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Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214774
My argument is that I wouldn't call PHPBB (or any forum for that matter)
a "script". I'd call that an application in and of itself. I agree
that there aren't many free, community developed, apps out there in CF.
But the original poster said something about scripts and I think there
are plenty out there, and the ones that aren't can be written by the
developer themselves.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
simple.
You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as
an example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not
FREE, it's just an example, I forget if this is the free one).
So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it
looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or
charge them several grand to write one for them.
Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then.
Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for
everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof
customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using
readily available apps/scripts in other lanaguages.
The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the
cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they.
Russ
I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and
stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't
that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all
the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap,
but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community
is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with
it and quit complaining.
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is
that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support
eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine
too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in
the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the
community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a
while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this
whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer
Author: Ian Skinner
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214773
The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the client
really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they.
Russ
Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your clients
are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably true.
On the other hand, most of my development life has been behind corporate
firewalls. There are other factors for these kinds of clients; such as security.
We have to deal with HIPPA regulations. And I can say that we are much more
likely to pay for a solution, if that solution can be said to be more secure,
better documented and have an accountable support system that we can rely on if
there is a problem.
So as with most things in life, it depends on your perspective.
--------------
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
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Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214769
simple.
You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as an
example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not FREE, it's
just an example, I forget if this is the free one).
So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it
looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or charge
them several grand to write one for them.
Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then.
Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for
everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof
customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using readily
available apps/scripts in other lanaguages.
The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the
cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they.
Russ
I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff
in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean
you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that
come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know
people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people
together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining.
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have
to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made
and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion gear" in my
opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving
it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what
they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need,
but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living
community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants
to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and
help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to
venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let
everyone get back to work.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214767
Now there's a more reasonable answer. Good one Mark.
All the proliferation of free scripts in PHP does is contribute to it's
reputation as being "cheap" and drive down the price that developers can
ask. Don't you konw how many CF developers own their own businesses and no
longer live with their mothers :)
-mk
Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for
doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP.
I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example.
There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1,
and it was not free.
I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps.
This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone
to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see
what you come up with for CF.
CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps,
and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay.
Russ
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is
fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or
whatever.
Michael B.
> Don't pick on cf developers.
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
> Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
> scripts.
> There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or
> not,
are
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pay
> more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
>
> It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how
frickin
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more
> than
a
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to
> buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's
PATHETIC,
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community.
If
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a
> heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so
> broke, come on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45
> an hour was
fairly
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore
> have
a
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not
> being free is really lame......
>
> " but now it costs too much money."
> So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of
> bucks
on
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much money.
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a
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document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
>
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM
> site,
but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
> that
I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
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Author: Ian Skinner
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214766
I just wish there was something in between Cf-talk and cf-community.
I would suspect that is the CF-OT list, but it is very lightly used. So the list
exists, one just needs to get more people to use.
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Author: Ken Ketsdever
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It was tongue in cheek guys, didn't mean it as a real suggestion. I was
mocking the over separation of lists. Personally I don't care if a
thread is a little OT once in a while. Sometimes they just morph into
being OT.
>>>>
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
Agreed. We can cover everything we need with the occasional OT thread
(which I can say that over the years has never been really WOT).
The politics and religion suggestions are just asking for trouble and
for
friends to become enemies.
No no no... please don't do that!
The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with
asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT.
CF-COMMUNITY
is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is
covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really
fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People
occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal.
I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've
belonged to
is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you
to
the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who
knows
the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you
only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are
entirely uninteresting.
Matthew Small
Hey Mike think you can add a few lists?
Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server
admin it doesn't belong)
CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions)
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Author: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Agreed. We can cover everything we need with the occasional OT thread
(which I can say that over the years has never been really WOT).
The politics and religion suggestions are just asking for trouble and for
friends to become enemies.
No no no... please don't do that!
The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with
asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT. CF-COMMUNITY
is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is
covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really
fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People
occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal.
I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've belonged to
is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you to
the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who knows
the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you
only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are
entirely uninteresting.
Matthew Small
Hey Mike think you can add a few lists?
Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server
admin it doesn't belong)
CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions)
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No no no... please don't do that!
The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with
asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT. CF-COMMUNITY
is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is
covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really
fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People
occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal.
I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've belonged to
is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you to
the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who knows
the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you
only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are
entirely uninteresting.
Matthew Small
Hey Mike think you can add a few lists?
Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server
admin it doesn't belong)
CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions)
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Author: Burns, John D
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I think at that point, it gets to be too many lists is the problem. I
think the current lists could just be re-structured to house the right
stuff. The problem is that no one will want to rejoin and go through all
that stuff to get on the appropriate lists. I don't know, maybe I'm
wrong and it'd be worth a revamp, but I think we'll probably just have
to deal. I would just like it if Cf-talk could house some of the OT
conversations that do vaguely relate to CF because of the community.
It's just tough to draw lines because what I want in a list differs from
what others want in the list. And, who knows, if I had what I wanted,
I'd probably find cause for complaining at some point. :-)
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Hey Mike think you can add a few lists?
Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server
admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related
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Author: Larry Lyons
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214751
> Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer
> lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very
> positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on
> some new designs too. :)
Will,
FWIW I picked up one of your t-shirts at CFUnited. By the last day I saw several
people walking around with them.
larry
Author: Ken Ketsdever
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Hey Mike think you can add a few lists?
Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server
admin it doesn't belong)
CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions)
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Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214748
Michael- Yeah, I'd have to agree. I was just thinking that as I posted
my last reply. I have CF-Community though (please no one blast me for
this) I just wish there was a forum for general Cf-talk questions as
well as a little bit of off topic every once in a while. I don't
particularly care to discuss politics or anything like that which is
most of what I've seen on CF-Community. I just with the CF-Community
talk stayed on the topic of the Cold Fusion community and wasn't just a
random chat session. I'm not blasting those who talk on there, I just
wish there was something in between Cf-talk and cf-community.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
I'll be the ass today and say that this is definitely cf-community now.
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214746
Me, I'm just too damn cheap. I mean I'm too cheap to buy a shirt or an
app that I can find for free. I have no problem with that either. I'm a
tough consumer. If you want my money, it's going to be for something I
really want to pay to have. Even if you doubled my salary today, I'd
still be the same way. It doesn't matter how much money I have; it's
mine and I'm going to keep as much as I can. What would anyone really
say is the problem with that?
--Ferg
Charlie Griefer wrote:
Will: It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to
appeal to everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly
care for the shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments
you've received have been positive, and I'm glad there are people
who like 'em and are buying 'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til
now) because I never saw a reason to say something that might seem
considered derogatory (and again, it's not...it's just a matter of
preference). So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his
infinite wisdom and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest
that we must not be buying Will's shirts because we're "cheap".
Well, sorry Dave, but I don't see where you have the right to
suggest that of anybody. You don't know how much any of us make, nor
do you know our financial situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't
make $45/hr. But even though I do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids
and I've been selfish enough to spend my money on stuff like...oh,
sending my daughter to camp, or preschool, or taking them different
places on the weekends since we don't get to spend as much time
together during the week as we'd like to. There's mortgage, car
payments, and all of those fun things. But God forbid I don't show
my support for the community by not buying a shirt. For you to even
suggest that we're all "cheap" and "pathetic" is appreciated by the
community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
--
Charlie Griefer
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214747
Charlie,
Amen! While I don't spend most of my money on noble things like children
since I don't have them yet, I do have a wife (and yes she takes a lot
of my money) and I have hobbies, interests and give money to charity. I
don't make $45/hour either, though I wish I did. If I made that much,
perhaps I would throw $20 towards Will whether I liked the shirts or
not. Maybe I should start taking donations and then people like Dave
will feel inclined to throw some of that $45/hour my way.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
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Will:
It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to appeal to
everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly care for the
shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments you've received have
been positive, and I'm glad there are people who like 'em and are buying
'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til now) because I never saw a
reason to say something that might seem considered derogatory (and
again, it's not...it's just a matter of preference).
So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his infinite wisdom
and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest that we must not be
buying Will's shirts because we're "cheap". Well, sorry Dave, but I
don't see where you have the right to suggest that of anybody. You
don't know how much any of us make, nor do you know our financial
situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't make $45/hr. But even though I
do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids and I've been selfish enough to spend
my money on stuff like...oh, sending my daughter to camp, or preschool,
or taking them different places on the weekends since we don't get to
spend as much time together during the week as we'd like to. There's
mortgage, car payments, and all of those fun things. But God forbid I
don't show my support for the community by not buying a shirt. For you
to even suggest that we're all "cheap" and "pathetic"
is appreciated by the community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
Charlie Griefer
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and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must
catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."
Author: Tangorre, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214745
I'll be the ass today and say that this is definitely cf-community now.
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214744
That would be great! :-)
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Sell baseball caps with a B. Forta fake beard attached to it. That is
definitely a best seller.
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>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin',
and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just
depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs
too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214742
Ferg-
Good point. I guess my telling people to quit complaining was my version
of complaining :-) I just get tired of hearing people spend all their
time worrying about the CF community or what we don't have rather than
just doing their job and working on making things the way they want.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Why do people seem to feel the need to tell other people to "quit
complaining"? I just don't understand this. If you feel you have
something about which to complain, then by all means, please do. Your
complaints about subject "x" may be the catalyst someone needs to start
a new project or escalate your issues to someone who might be able to
address them. If you're one of these knuckleheads who constantly feel
the need to tell others to grin and bear it, you might want to consider
taking your own advice and passing right by the thread containing the
"complaints".
--Ferg
Author: Will Tomlinson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214743
>Haha :-) I hardly wore any Mustang stuff to work at Hopkins. Now, the
>decorations on my desk and wall are a different story, but what can I
>say? That brings up a good point. Will- if you make a CF shirt that
>incorporates a 1967 Convertible Mustang or the Mustang logo I'll buy one
>:-)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214741
Haha :-) I hardly wore any Mustang stuff to work at Hopkins. Now, the
decorations on my desk and wall are a different story, but what can I
say? That brings up a good point. Will- if you make a CF shirt that
incorporates a 1967 Convertible Mustang or the Mustang logo I'll buy one
:-)
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse,
racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :)
-Adam
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>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin',
and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just
depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs
too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214738
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Will:
It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to appeal to
everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly care for
the shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments you've received
have been positive, and I'm glad there are people who like 'em and are
buying 'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til now) because I never
saw a reason to say something that might seem considered derogatory
(and again, it's not...it's just a matter of preference).
So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his infinite wisdom
and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest that we must not
be buying Will's shirts because we're "cheap". Well, sorry Dave, but
I don't see where you have the right to suggest that of anybody. You
don't know how much any of us make, nor do you know our financial
situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't make $45/hr. But even though
I do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids and I've been selfish enough to
spend my money on stuff like...oh, sending my daughter to camp, or
preschool, or taking them different places on the weekends since we
don't get to spend as much time together during the week as we'd like
to. There's mortgage, car payments, and all of those fun things. But
God forbid I don't show my support for the community by not buying a
shirt. For you to even suggest that we're all "cheap" and "pathetic"
is appreciated by the community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
Charlie Griefer
================================================
"...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies,
and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch
you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."
Author: Will Tomlinson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214739
>Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse,
>racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :)
Ok! I'm gettin' some ideas here. A NASCAR with COLDFUSION plastered all over it!
:)
Will
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214736
Why do people seem to feel the need to tell other people to "quit
complaining"? I just don't understand this. If you feel you have
something about which to complain, then by all means, please do. Your
complaints about subject "x" may be the catalyst someone needs to start
a new project or escalate your issues to someone who might be able to
address them. If you're one of these knuckleheads who constantly feel
the need to tell others to grin and bear it, you might want to consider
taking your own advice and passing right by the thread containing the
"complaints".
--Ferg
Burns, John D wrote:
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Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214737
Yep, not slammin' you Will. Many people may like them, I just don't
think they're all that great. I definitely think they're better than
what they could be, but they seem to me like a developer made them as
opposed to a designer. I guess most people in the community are
developers and will like them, but I have a side business with a graphic
designer who does some cool shirt designs so it may be an unfair
comparison. Just my personal opinion. Keep up the effort though. It's
definitely a good market.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin',
and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just
depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs
too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214734
Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse,
racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :)
-Adam
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Author: Will Tomlinson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214733
>As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
>have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
>were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
>gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
>something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most
of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones'
tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :)
Thanks,
Will
Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214731
Not to mention, just like it is with PHP, in general the quality is very
low and too limited for the more demanding tasks. I think, the only time
I actually bought something it was a Rijndael encryption algorithm
because CF did not supported strong encryption algorithms at that time.
Micha Schopman
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I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and
stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't
that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all
the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap,
but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community
is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with
it and quit complaining.
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214730
I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and
stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't
that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all
the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap,
but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community
is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with
it and quit complaining.
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is
that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support
eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine
too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in
the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the
community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a
while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this
whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214727
I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and
stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't
that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all
the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap,
but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community
is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with
it and quit complaining.
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
were made and wouldn't put them in the category of "Cool coldfusion
gear" in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is
that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support
eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine
too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in
the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the
community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a
while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this
whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking
for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP.
I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example.
There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found
1, and it was not free.
I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps.
This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for
anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I
mentioned and see what you come up with for CF.
CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full
apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay.
Russ
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF
is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js,
or whatever.
Michael B.
> Don't pick on cf developers.
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big
community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in
CF.
> Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
> scripts.
> There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or
> not,
are
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pay
> more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
>
> It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how
frickin
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more
> than
a
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to
> buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's
PATHETIC,
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our
community.
If
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a
> heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so
> broke, come on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45
> an hour was
fairly
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore
> have
a
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not
> being free is really lame......
>
> " but now it costs too much money."
> So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of
> bucks
on
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mentioned?
> I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an
> installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs
too much money.
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a
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document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
>
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM
> site,
but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
> that
I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
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Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214728
More people watch network tevelvision than HBO.Not because network TV
is better, just because its free.
However I guess thats not a good comparison because "Its not tv.... its HBO!"
-Adam
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214722
Those are also part of PHP, even in the first versions of PHP they were
natively supported in a large amount of variations capable of handling
almost anything you want.
It just is so simple but people don't like to admit it. PHP just has a
larger community and that is all. The PHP basics to get you up and
running are just like ColdFusion very easy. It is easy to make
something, and as with all languages, when the learning curve is low,
you will see more amateur code around.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
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You are right, there arent as many resources out there for code
samples and scripts for ColdFusion. The reason? Because most of those
scripts are already a part of ColdFusion. (list functions, array
functions, etc.)
-Adam
> www.resourceindex.com
>
> And all the other free script sites.
>
> If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to
match
> the thousands of perl/ASP/PHP scripts. Especially considering most of
them
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community.
> > Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in
CF.
>
> that's nonsense.
>
>
>
>
Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214721
No, it only contributes to the fact that in the paid programmer world
PHP is generally thought of as a language of 40-year-olds who live in
thier parents basement.
-Adam
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Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214720
You are right, there arent as many resources out there for code
samples and scripts for ColdFusion. The reason? Because most of those
scripts are already a part of ColdFusion. (list functions, array
functions, etc.)
-Adam
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Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214719
Lol. This is funny because its true. However, I'm not buying any of
those CF shirts. And yes, good taste has robbed me of many things.
In all honesty though, CF as a server is cheap. MS gives away .NET
only because they can afford to bundle it with the OS. A 12k price tag
on Flex is still cheap when compared to purchasing websphere or just a
single oracle database.
-Adam
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Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214716
All the proliferation of free scripts in PHP does is contribute to it's
reputation as being "cheap" and drive down the price that developers can
ask. Don't you konw how many CF developers own their own businesses and no
longer live with their mothers :)
-mk
Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for
doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP.
I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example.
There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1,
and it was not free.
I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps.
This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone
to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see
what you come up with for CF.
CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps,
and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay.
Russ
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is
fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or
whatever.
Michael B.
> Don't pick on cf developers.
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
> Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
> scripts.
> There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not,
are
> crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions.
>
> Russ
>
> would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the
> box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and
> only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to
pay
> more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
>
> It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how
frickin
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than
a
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy
> one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's
PATHETIC,
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community.
If
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart
> beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come
> on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was
fairly
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have
a
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being
> free is really lame......
>
> " but now it costs too much money."
> So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks
on
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a
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
>
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that
I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
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Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214715
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Pretty much. But it is still PHP style: if a translation of a
> resource does not exist it will display the default. You can not
> configure it to throw an error. (Which is my biggest gripe with
> PHP: it will never throw an error when variables don't exist, it
> will just do something unexpected that breaks your app in a
> non-obvious way.)
don't think i knew that (though i suspect you've told me this all once
before, sorry my memory is getting worse & worse). PHP is missing so
much else that i keep expecting the worse, my bad. thanks for the
correction.
java style rb's do something similar, they'll keep falling back (by
chopping the locale string, th_TH_TH-->th_TH-->th) until they find the
right locale or return the base one if not. the classpath one will
anyway, the list/property ones will throw an error if they don't find
that specific rb file.
Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214713
Russ Michaels wrote:
> Ok whatever, I can see your one of those people that just has to be right no
> matter what. So I shan't waste my breath continuing this discussion any
no, nothing about me. you said something i thought was nonsensical
("there shall be no nonsense in public places unless it involves lots of
beer"), i called you on it. nothing more, nothing less.
now watch me eat crow over jochem's superior i18n
knowledge.
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214712
Paul Hastings wrote:
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Pretty much. But it is still PHP style: if a translation of a
resource does not exist it will display the default. You can not
configure it to throw an error. (Which is my biggest gripe with
PHP: it will never throw an error when variables don't exist, it
will just do something unexpected that breaks your app in a
non-obvious way.)
Jochem
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214711
Ok whatever, I can see your one of those people that just has to be right no
matter what. So I shan't waste my breath continuing this discussion any
longer. So probably best to leave you alone in your little bubble. For the
rest of us, google provides the truth.
Russ
Russ Michaels wrote:
> www.resourceindex.com
>
> And all the other free script sites.
>
> If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to
> match
yup that's nonsense. to remind, you stated that "no-one gives anything away
for FREE in CF". 100% nonsense--i know because i'm giving away dozens of
tags & CFCs, and that's just a drop in the bucket compared to what's out
there. just look at the flash form goodness that the asfusion folks dish out
like ice cream cones on a hot day. yeah, nonsense.
now let's see...on that site there were zero i18n related scripts, zero
locale related scripts, zero i18n calendars, zero locale based collations,
one lame timezone related script, zero resource bundle scripts (or anything
like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak), and so on.
considering that i18n functionality is the weakest/lamest part of php this
is kind of shocking. so to my mind, yes, what you're arguing is nonsense.
Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214710
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
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dunno, does it work like resource bundles? i think you told me once
gettext came first but does have the same functionality now (not that
there's much to rb classes)? and if it does +1 for PHP i18n, the rest of
what i said still stands.
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214709
Paul Hastings wrote:
>
> zero resource bundle
> scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper
> PHP-speak)
GNU gettext support is build into and distributed with PHP. What
more scripts would you need?
Jochem
Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214708
Russ Michaels wrote:
> www.resourceindex.com
>
> And all the other free script sites.
>
> If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match
yup that's nonsense. to remind, you stated that "no-one gives anything
away for FREE in CF". 100% nonsense--i know because i'm giving away
dozens of tags & CFCs, and that's just a drop in the bucket compared to
what's out there. just look at the flash form goodness that the asfusion
folks dish out like ice cream cones on a hot day. yeah, nonsense.
now let's see...on that site there were zero i18n related scripts, zero
locale related scripts, zero i18n calendars, zero locale based
collations, one lame timezone related script, zero resource bundle
scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper
PHP-speak), and so on. considering that i18n functionality is the
weakest/lamest part of php this is kind of shocking. so to my mind, yes,
what you're arguing is
nonsense.
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214707
Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for
doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP.
I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example.
There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1,
and it was not free.
I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps.
This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone
to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see
what you come up with for CF.
CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps,
and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay.
Russ
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is
fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or
whatever.
Michael B.
> Don't pick on cf developers.
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
> Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
> scripts.
> There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not,
are
> crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions.
>
> Russ
>
> would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the
> box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and
> only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to
pay
> more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
>
> It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how
frickin
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than
a
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy
> one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's
PATHETIC,
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community.
If
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart
> beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come
> on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was
fairly
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have
a
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being
> free is really lame......
>
> " but now it costs too much money."
> So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks
on
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
a
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
>
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that
I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214706
www.resourceindex.com
And all the other free script sites.
If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match
the thousands of perl/ASP/PHP scripts. Especially considering most of them
don't even list coldfusion.
Russ
Russ Michaels wrote:
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
that's nonsense.
Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214705
Nobody said it should be free, nobody said it must be done by someone
else, the only thing said was "if there would be such a package
available that would be nice and it would push acceptance for Eclipse".
When people comment on lack of product features, nice to have features
or missing functionality which they would like to see that does not mean
they dislike or even hate the product. Read carefully, because you are
creating statements and opinions nobody expressed just because you think
people are like that. Read, instead of assume.
If you disagree with specific points, discuss with arguments, and not
with bluntly trolls.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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i just wasted an hour typing your responce micha and it timed out so
screw it.
I was refering to you comments about "why doesnt someone else make it,
complile it and distribute it" and it shouldnt cost me anything garbage
you wrote.
If someone puts their time into making a tool that is of use to u then
you shouldnt expect it to be free. After all you arent making your web
apps for free are you?
And the whole point to this "rant" is that if the cheap asses would
actually support our products then we'd have more pull to get the
features we want.
Why do you stay on here even? As far as I know you dont like nor
support coldfusion????
~Dave the disruptor~
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
capital to form a corporation."
Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short.
The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point
for improvement on Eclipse acceptance for web development
related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are
ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you
need vacation?
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214703
i just wasted an hour typing your responce micha and it timed out so screw it.
I was refering to you comments about "why doesnt someone else make it, complile
it and distribute it" and it shouldnt cost me anything garbage you wrote.
If someone puts their time into making a tool that is of use to u then you
shouldnt expect it to be free. After all you arent making your web apps for free
are you?
And the whole point to this "rant" is that if the cheap asses would actually
support our products then we'd have more pull to get the features we want.
Why do you stay on here even? As far as I know you dont like nor support
coldfusion????
~Dave the disruptor~
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital
to form a corporation."
Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short.
The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point
for improvement on Eclipse acceptance for web development
related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are
ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you
need vacation?
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ...
Author: James Holmes
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214699
I agree. All of the frameworks, everything on cflib.org, much of the
MM Exchange, full featured IDEs and a lot of genuinely useful stuff
(e.g. ScopeCache, various blog apps, the FarCry CMS) are all free and
have all had a lot of work put into them.
I've looked at and used some the of the PHP freebies around, and they
are of widely varying quality - for example, PHPNuke is a dog's
breakfast and I wouldn't use it on one of my sites.
> Russ Michaels wrote:
> > Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big
community.
> > Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in
CF.
>
> that's
nonsense.
Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214697
Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short.
The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point
for improvement on Eclipse <blink>acceptance</blink> for web
development
related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are
ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you
need vacation?
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ...
Author: Michael Bramwell
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214688
Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is
fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need
millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or
whatever.
Michael B.
> Don't pick on cf developers.
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
> Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
> scripts.
> There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not,
are
> crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions.
>
> Russ
>
> would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the
> box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and
> only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to
pay
> more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
>
> It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how
frickin
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than
a
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy
> one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's
PATHETIC,
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community.
If
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart
> beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come
> on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was
fairly
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have
a
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being
> free is really lame......
>
> " but now it costs too much money."
> So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks
on
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a
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document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
>
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that
I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
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Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214687
Russ Michaels wrote:
> Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
> Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
that's nonsense.
Author: Russ Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214686
Don't pick on cf developers.
Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community.
Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF.
Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf
scripts.
There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are
crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions.
Russ
would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the
box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and
only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay
more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin
cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a
buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy
one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC,
people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If
WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart
beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come
on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly
low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a
reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being
free is really lame......
" but now it costs too much money."
So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on
something that helps you make a living???
Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt
rob have a package download for cfm?
Thats pathetic period!!!
~Dave the disruptor~
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
capital to form a corporation."
But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax
033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214681
would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box
customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include
the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a
nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap
cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for
anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills
cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed
of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash
or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys
make good money but you act so broke, come on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area
(denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a
reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is
really lame......
" but now it costs too much money."
So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on
something that helps you make a living???
Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob
have a package download for cfm?
Thats pathetic period!!!
~Dave the disruptor~
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital
to form a corporation."
But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much
money.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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de interactie met uw doelgroep.
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[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it
to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is
code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the
document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but
I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why
there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Venable, John
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214248
> > Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of
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Exactly the situation I'm in. Seems like $2000 to be crossplatform is
nutty. Surely with the proliferation of Macs at MACR this can be
remedied?
John
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Well, why don't you be that someone?
But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax
033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214150
Well it includes Eclipse - which is the IDE in question. Sure CFEclipse is
an extra download or if you will, the plugin.
Still takes a shorter time to get up and running than DW (not that I am
belittling DW ;-))
But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much
money.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it
to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is
code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the
document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but
I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why
there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Damien McKenna
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214143
> Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of
> Studio, as long as both installations were not running
> simultaneously, just for your type of situation.
Actually there's an added limitation: you can only use the license on
Windows machines *or* on a Mac, so if you have a PC at work and a Mac at
home you need two licenses!
--
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The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
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Author: Thomas Chiverton
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214140
> But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I believe someone made one and posted it over on the CFEclipse mailing list.
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Author: Cutter (CF-Talk)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214139
Connie,
Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of
Studio, as long as both installations were not running simultaneously,
just for your type of situation.
Cutter
Connie DeCinko wrote:
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214138
But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much
money.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it
to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is
code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the
document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but
I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why
there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214122
Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a
folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And
maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document
was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
"feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but
for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I
hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there
haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
attention to existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Jason Radosevich
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214094
:-D Sounds like a good config.. :-D
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:28:43 -0500, Dawson, Michael wrote
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214092
Ick.
Ah... I see - you want your girfriend to be less bloated... got it.
Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214091
1. Disable shopping.
2. Enable libido.
That would be pretty cool..
sometimes i wish my G/F came that way :-)
Author: Ken Ketsdever
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214090
Well at least my IDE is logical
> "Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."
Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214088
ha!
Ah... I see - you want your girlfriend to be less bloated... got it.
Sounds like a feature of the old "Whose line is it?"
"Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."
PS. Probably more of an Community, then a Talk answer. Something that it
would be cool for us users to do. Easily fork a thread to a different
group, with out loosing it's history. Which just posting the answer to the
new group would do.
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BloodSource
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Sacramento, CA
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Author: Jason Radosevich
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214087
That too... :-)
i also like the idea of being able to turn on and turn off "features" to
what you system can handle.. :-)
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:58:53 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214085
Micha,
This is an EXCELLENT list of the things that bother me with DW. It is so
hard to work with files in DW. The path thing is a real issue.
-mark
----- you wrote --------------------------
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
Author: Ian Skinner
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214086
Ah... I see - you want your girlfriend to be less bloated... got it.
Sounds like a feature of the old "Whose line is it?"
"Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."
PS. Probably more of an Community, then a Talk answer. Something that it would
be cool for us users to do. Easily fork a thread to a different group, with out
loosing it's history. Which just posting the answer to the new group would do.
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Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214084
Ah... I see - you want your girfriend to be less bloated... got it.
Girl Friend..
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214082
The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse.
People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading
Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that
toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started
with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe
it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this
functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that
when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in
the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this "feature".
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for
some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they occured on
specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might
now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope
they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't
been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to
existing customers :)
Micha
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214081
You DON'T LIKE BROCCOLI??? What in the world is the matter with you???
And to everyone who ever replies with "this is old" or "move to
community"...
Really, I was just trying to point out that people on this list tend to
express their opinions on the topics that come up. Most keyboards come
complete with a delete key and most email apps even have a clickable
delete feature in case the key is inoperable. Probably the best way to
get a thread to end if you're sick of it is to sit in front of your
monitor and say, "that dude's an idiot" and then exercise one of those
two functions instead of firing off a reply which is likely to elicit
another in its turn.
--Ferg
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Author: Tangorre, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214080
> G/F?
Grandfather. :-)
Author: Jason Radosevich
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214078
Girl Friend..
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
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Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214076
They have that... it's called "homesite" and there's a button for "launch
dreamweaver" :)
I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite? Or at least a
method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code editor only mode.
Then if you want the designer features, you turn on/enable those options in
the program. Now that would be sweet. Be able to enable and disable as
much as you want/need or that your system can handle.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214077
Jason,
G/F? good feeling? grey flannel? help me out here...
That would be pretty cool..
sometimes i wish my G/F came that way :-)
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
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Author: Jason Radosevich
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214075
That would be pretty cool..
sometimes i wish my G/F came that way :-)
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Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214074
I have not read the information yet, but wonder if anything has changed in
regards to licensing? I find it silly that I must pay for two licenses for
each developer that happens to work part-time on a notebook and part-time on
a desktop computer. I thought the world was moving to a check-out system?
So you could have say 5 licenses and 5 users working at any given time, even
if you have dozens of authorized users.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214072
I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite? Or at least a
method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code editor only mode.
Then if you want the designer features, you turn on/enable those options in
the program. Now that would be sweet. Be able to enable and disable as
much as you want/need or that your system can handle.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214071
So are you going to rail on me if I tell you I don't like broccoli?
It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't
happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It doesn't
ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans either, but when
someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go into the same kind of
argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on which you do the same
thing.
--Ferg
Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214070
I drive a Toyota and ironically eat green beans - feel free to contact
me off-list about the various angles on that.
(in other words, I agree this thread is getting pointless and needs to
end)
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214069
"If you don't like / use DW, than why even take part in this thread? It
obviously doesn't concern you, so what do you care?"
Sure it concerns me. I want everyone to use CFE so it has a huge user base and
gets max attention, so every time this conversation comes up I'm going to take
the opportunity to make a couple comments on why I think it's better or at least
point out why I think DW is worse.
--Ferg
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214067
It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't
happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It
doesn't ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans
either, but when someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go into
the same kind of argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on
which you do the same thing.
--Ferg
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Author: Kevin Aebig
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214064
Enough is enough. This flame contest is completely pointless, unconstructive
and neither side is willing going budge, so give up this up already.
If you don't like / use DW, than why even take part in this thread? It
obviously doesn't concern you, so what do you care?
Kevin
If you mean that opening it is something very different than what you
usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't understand how any of
you guys can use DW. I've got another CF developer in the office who
uses it and we have this conversation about once a week as he struggles
with it hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM has
added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to fight for the
title, "biggest software pig" with even more success than previously.
-Ferg
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Author: Tangorre, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214063
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I don't understand why anyone cares what IDE "other" developers use?
Does it ruin your day knowing some people like DW over HS+ and some like
Eclipse over Studio 4.5, etc? Who cares. Use what you like.
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214062
If you mean that opening it is something very different than what you
usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't understand how any of
you guys can use DW. I've got another CF developer in the office who
uses it and we have this conversation about once a week as he struggles
with it hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM has
added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to fight for the
title, "biggest software pig" with even more success than previously.
-Ferg
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Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214043
I've never thought the performance of the actual authoring tool was ever
much of a problem, I usually am thinking more about the performance of
the end product. Dreamweaver itself has never given me much of a
"performance" problem, though maybe what you do with it is very
different than what I do with it. Interesting.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
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I
>>had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could
count
>>on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month -
there
>>really is no need for it - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins
serves me
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not
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Author: Dave Carabetta
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214041
> I wish bad script detection was the problem for me but its not. Things
> work great in IE but not flash. Oh well.
>
Have you made sure to install the latest beta that was released on
Friday (not sure if you had a beta installed previous to that)?
Also, this blog entry (well, the comments) might suggest something:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/08/new_player_beta.cfm
It looks like one of the popular Firefox extensions doesn't play well
with Flash Player 8 content.
Other than that, I have nothing else to suggest, sorry! Just trying to
brainstorm with you.
Regards,
Dave.
Author: Connie DeCinko
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214040
Another excuse to give CFEclipse a try.
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane? $399 for Dreamweaver 8,
Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
--
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Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Author: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214039
Yes the tool- DW is a bloatware tool. Like some others on this lists, I
had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could count
on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month - there
really is no need for it - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins serves me
better than DW could.
Performance of what? The development tool???? I don't see what you're
getting at.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
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performance and
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and
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Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214038
I'd like to see the data that supports this statement.
You know 99.9% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
-Adam
> I think one of the off putting things is that you get better performance and
> stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW
market)
Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214036
Here's a brief overview of the new features:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/features/
Some developer related things are:
- Background file transfer
- Coding toolbar including comment/uncomment
- Code collapse
- Compare files.
- Support of PHP5
- Updated reference material for XML, XSLT and XPATH.
Presumeably they'll have trial versions and you can see if the new features
work for you or not.
---
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Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension
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Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214034
Performance of what? The development tool???? I don't see what you're
getting at.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@csd.reedexpo.com]
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performance and
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and
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Author: Massimo Foti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214033
A few random, very personal, opinions:
- CF developers that aren't already using DW 2004 will hardly change their
minds after trying DW 8.
- To current DW 2004 users the upgrade to DW 8 has more than a few
interesting things to offer.
- DW remains unsuited for non-trivial CFML development. The upcoming DW 8
isn't going to change this.
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Author: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214032
I think one of the off putting things is that you get better performance and
stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)
Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least. Maybe its not
for you then. Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily and
the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
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Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214031
>>And that's the
>>upgrade cost, not the cost of the suite new.
Right - but you said, "not really worth the UPGRADE cost..."
If you think $399 is a lot to pay for a software suite upgrade, you might be in
the wrong business.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
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Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214030
Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least. Maybe its not
for you then. Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily and
the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
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Author: Thomas Chiverton
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214029
> detection scripts don't account for versions greater than 7 (even
> though 8 should work). For example, comedycentral.com tells me to go
Ahh.
Sounds like a plan is to hold of client-side Flash Player 8 updates for a
while then... probably for a while after official release too - esp. as Linux
versions of the player always lag a bit anyway.
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Author: mac jordan
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214027
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I can't see it offering me $399 worth - and I bet it'll be a lot more in the
UK (where I am). Macromedia's $/£ exchange rate is appalling. And that's the
upgrade cost, not the cost of the suite new.
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Author: Thomas Chiverton
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214026
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane? $399 for Dreamweaver 8,
Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Author: Kevin Aebig
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214025
O yeah... wicked fast. They worked on a ton of performance upgrades.
Kevin
Massimo Foti wrote:
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5
any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms
"go fast" too?
Author: Phill B
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214024
I wish bad script detection was the problem for me but its not. Things
work great in IE but not flash. Oh well.
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Author: Phill B
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214022
Crap. I really can't afford the downtime either.
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Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214021
>>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
Are you insane? $399 for Dreamweaver 8, Fireworks 8, Flash Professional
8, Contribute 3, Flashpaper 2? $399 is a STEAL.
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Author: Dave Carabetta
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214020
> I clicked on this link
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
> and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
> Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
> have this problem?
>
Nah, works for me. However, one thing I've noted is that it looks like
FP 8 has caught many sites with their pants down in that their Flash
detection scripts don't account for versions greater than 7 (even
though 8 should work). For example, comedycentral.com tells me to go
install Flash even though I have it installed, and their site is
virtually useless from a navigation standpoint without Flash. I think
it will be some time before you see a smooth transition across the web
to support Flash Player 8. That being said, we need to keep in mind
that the Player is still in a beta, so these sites are probably
(hopefully?) doing internal testing before updating their respective
sites.
Regards,
Dave.
Author: Matt Osbun
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214018
I had that problem with FF and Flash. When I upgraded from Beta to FF
1.0, Flash suddenly stopped working, despite my attempts to reinstall.
Ended up totally removing FF and it's profile folders and reinstalling
the browser.
Probably not what you wanted to hear, though.
Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International
I clicked on this link
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
have this problem?
Author: Merrill, Jason
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214016
Nope - Flash player 8 works great for me in Firefox.
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Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214015
Kevin Graeme wrote:
> Flash Player 8? It's already available though not linked on the main Flash
> download page yet. Here's one place to get it.
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
thanks.
and does it put the "giddyup" into
flashforms?
Author: Phill B
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214014
I clicked on this link
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
have this problem?
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Author: mac jordan
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214013
> If you haven't seen it, Macromedia has announced Studio 8.
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/
>
doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214011
Flash Player 8? It's already available though not linked on the main Flash
download page yet. Here's one place to get it.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
---
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Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension
> any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it
> help cfforms "go fast"
too?
Author: Stacy Young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214010
Flash player? You can get it now...but still beta.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/public_beta/
Massimo Foti wrote:
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5
any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms
"go fast" too?
Author: Massimo Foti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214008
> > http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5
>
> any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms
> "go fast" too?
I have no idea, sorry.
Massimo
Author: Paul Hastings
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214007
Massimo Foti wrote:
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5
any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms
"go fast"
too?
Author: Massimo Foti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214006
> I wonder if Homesite is included?
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5
> And, if so, if it's been updated?
No
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Author: Cutter (CF-Talk)
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214005
I wonder if Homesite is included? And, if so, if it's been updated? I
did notice in the video for DW that the first server side language
support mentioned was CF...
Kevin Graeme wrote:
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Author: Kevin Graeme
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41586#214001
If you haven't seen it, Macromedia has announced Studio 8.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/
Dreamweaver 8 has some nice new features including better CSS support. It
also have some support for XSLT development.
Flash 8 is mostly video/graphics updates, but one of the cool things for
developers is a built-in mobile device emulator.
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Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension
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May 24, 2012
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