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Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215318
> I disagree, I think cf-community is too chock full of unrelated stuff to be
> useful to subscribe to for some busy professionals who would have an
> interest in a conversation about technology that is ColdFusion related...
but CF-Talk is supposed to be for technical questions. A discussion
of specific code differences between ColdFusion and BlueDragon might
be considered on topic.
I don't disagree at all that cf-community has too much unrelated stuff.
That's why Michael suggested CF-OT ... a happy medium between CF-Talk
(technical) and CF-Community (anything goes) :)
--
Charlie Griefer
================================================
"...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies,
and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch
you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."
Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215314
I disagree, I think cf-community is too chock full of unrelated stuff to be
useful to subscribe to for some busy professionals who would have an
interest in a conversation about technology that is ColdFusion related...
/shrug
Burns, John D wrote:
>
> If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the
> CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since
> it is CF related and could influence the decision to use New Atlanta
> products.
Actually, I would thing that's exactly the kind of discussion that SHOULD
occur on cf-community, not cf-talk.
Author: Rick Root
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215310
Burns, John D wrote:
>
> If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the
> CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since it
> is CF related and could influence the decision to use New Atlanta
> products.
Actually, I would thing that's exactly the kind of discussion that
SHOULD occur on cf-community, not cf-talk.
Author: Yves Arsenault
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215309
Here here....
(thump thump thump)...
Yves
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Author: Burns, John D
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215308
Mike,
If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the
CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since it
is CF related and could influence the decision to use New Atlanta
products. Obviously, if we're just arguing about what technology
MySpace uses then I don't mind it moving, but the responses about
perceptions from CFUnited would be nice to hear. Just my $0.02.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
My response to this has been posted to CF-OT and I'd appreciate people
posting there. Thank you.
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far
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215297
Best post yet!
Rey..
Rick Root wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215294
Adrocknaphobia wrote:
> However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
> general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
> has provided a ColdFusion alternative, to a company whose sole purpose
> is to bash Macromedia and publicy criticise all thier products.
I'm sure there are things behind the scenes between MM and NA that we
don't see and I know that in conversations that my friends have had with
MM recently, MM has been very dismissive of New Atlanta. I have to
assume the MM seeing a viable alternative to CFMX is not something
they're fond of and would assume that any level of coorperation is next
to none. Put that all together and the jabs will definitely begin
between both camps.
As for the negative impression of NA, thats a shame because they are
great to work with. Seriously. Have a sit down with Vince, Charlie,
Brian or Dan one day, and I think you'd come out with a good feeling.
Rey...
--
http://www.ReyBango.com
Author: Bryan Stevenson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215279
> However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
> general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
> has provided a ColdFusion alternative, to a company whose sole purpose
> is to bash Macromedia and publicy criticise all thier products.
>
> -Adam
I wasn't at CFUnited so I don't know what occurred, but IF this is true it
wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Again....this is not directed at New Atlanta.....
Any company providing an "alternative" product is going to "play nice" until
they get a foot hold and can afford to cheese off some folks.
If a what some are saying is true....
Don't ya think if NA had come out of the gates saying BD was the best thing
since sliced bread and that MM should burn that the CF community would have
embraced them in the slightest??? ;-) Think about that one folks....
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215277
My response to this has been posted to CF-OT and I'd appreciate people
posting there. Thank you.
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Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215274
Bryan is right. You can't really blame NA for creatively describing
thier situation with mySpace. Afterall, NA is in the top 1% of all US
companies.
However, I will say that I got a very negative impression of NA in
general at CFUnited. I think they have gone from being a company who
has provided a ColdFusion alternative, to a company whose sole purpose
is to bash Macromedia and publicy criticise all thier products.
-Adam
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Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215272
People. The debate over what percentage of myspace has to be running on bd.net to
be considered running bd.net is a debate that really does not belong here. Please
move it to CF-OT.
The question of what's needed to run a large site is quite valid and should be a
seperate thread. The question of what Vince said, What the myspace people said
and what was reported is also a rather OT debate that can be moved over to CF-OT.
I'm going to refrain from posting my views on myspace and instead point to the
Fusion Authority CFUNITED wrapup for my views:
http://www.fusionauthority.com/Community/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4476
Author: Rick Root
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215270
This seems like kind of a silly discussion.
Consider the following two statements:
#1 - MySpace.com is powered by New Atlanta's Bluedragon.NET.
#2 - MySpace.com is powered by Macromedia Coldfusion.
It would appear that both statements are 100% true.
Now consider the following statement, which is far more important as far
as I'm concerned:
"MySpace.com is powered by CFML"
Rick
Author: Bryan Stevenson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215269
Forgive me for jumping in and knocking some sense into this thread.... ;-)
People promoting their own stuff put a spin on it in their favour PERIOD
I'm not saying anyone at New Atlanta is trying to deceive anyone....this is
a general point I'm trying to make...I could personally care less who said
what about MySpace.com and it's servers.
The point is that there seems to be a lot of folks that are shocked that
mabye a company promoting it's product added a little embellishment. To
these people I say..."unplug....go outside and open your eyes"...it's been
this way for a LONG time and I don't see capitalism slowing down anytime
soon ;-)
This is also not to be confused with false advertising which is a completely
different subject.
my 2 cents
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Adrocknaphobia
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215267
So what happens to mySpace if Adobe doesn't have the same view of New
Atlanta as MM did?
-Adam
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Author: Scott Stroz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215264
Dan,
The first time I heard anyone from New Atlanta admit that MySpace was not
completely migrated to BD.NET <http://BD.NET> was when Vince posted a
comment here http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116.
Only after someone pointed out that MySpace was still getting errors did
Vince mention that the migration was not complete (and blamed the erros on
CF5).
Not once during the Keynote at CFUNITED was it mentioned that the migration
was a work in prgogress, and not yet compelted. All we heard was about how
much better their applications were performing under BD.NET <http://BD.NET>.
By purposely omitting this information, one could percieve it as being
hidden.
--
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com <http://Boyzoid.com>
___________________________
Some days you are the dog,
Some days you are the tree.
Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215262
What is your metric for success Dan?
Has myspace.com been completely migrated or even mostly migrated to BD and is now
showing signs of improved capacity and performance as a result of that migration?
- Calvin
< -- Scott Stroz wrote -- >
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on BD.NET, so how can
MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New Atlanta Sales team?
Once the site has migrated and (if) the issues MySpace was seeing are resolved,
then it can be a true 'success story', and I will gladly commend New Atlanta on a
job well done.
My issues is with the semantics. Representatives of New Atlanta have been
claiming that MySPace is running BD.NET, while not qualifying that it is a
minority of the servers (for now), unless they have their backs against the wall
or someone claims to have issues with some of the applications within the site
(then they tell us 'Oh, that application is still on CF5').
My grandfather would say they are putting the horser before the cart.
Scott Stroz
< -- Scott Stroz -- >
I can totally respect that your metric for success may differ from ours. And,
again, we have qualified the tactical nature of the deployment. I do disagree
with the characterization that we’ve hidden it.
Regards,
Dan
Author: Daniel Ganter
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215260
< -- Scott Stroz wrote -- >
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on BD.NET, so how can
MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New Atlanta Sales team?
Once the site has migrated and (if) the issues MySpace was seeing are resolved,
then it can be a true 'success story', and I will gladly commend New Atlanta on a
job well done.
My issues is with the semantics. Representatives of New Atlanta have been
claiming that MySPace is running BD.NET, while not qualifying that it is a
minority of the servers (for now), unless they have their backs against the wall
or someone claims to have issues with some of the applications within the site
(then they tell us 'Oh, that application is still on CF5').
My grandfather would say they are putting the horser before the cart.
Scott Stroz
< -- Scott Stroz -- >
I can totally respect that your metric for success may differ from ours. And,
again, we have qualified the tactical nature of the deployment. I do disagree
with the characterization that we’ve hidden it.
Regards,
Dan
Author: Scott Stroz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215251
But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on
BD.NET<http://BD.NET>,
so how can MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New
Atlanta Sales team? Once the site has migrated and (if)the issues MySpace
was seeing are resolved, then it can be a true 'success story', and I will
gladly commend New Atlanta on a job well done.
My issues is with the semantics. Representatives of New Atlanta have been
claiming that MySPace is running BD.NET <http://BD.NET>, while not
qualifying that it is a minority of the servers (for now), unless they have
their backs against the wall or someone claims to have issues with some of
the applications within the site (then they tell us 'Oh, that application is
still on CF5').
My grandfather would say they are putting the horser before the cart.
--
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com <http://Boyzoid.com>
___________________________
Some days you are the dog,
Some days you are the tree.
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215235
Daniel Ganter wrote:
> -----From Scott -----
> One has to wonder, why all the chest thumping?
If I managed to convince a major internet dotcom to switch platforms,
I'd be thumping my chest as well. Its a big win for them and they're
proud of the fact that MySpace believe's in their product.
The Linux crowd does it anytime they have a major implementation of
linux go through especially if it affects Microsoft.
Rey...
--
http://www.ReyBango.com
Author: Daniel Ganter
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215230
-----From Scott -----
I think the problem people are having (me included) is that you make comments
like 'MySPace is running BD.NET', without qualifying that the migration is in
progress and that, by your own admission, is running on a minority of servers,
until someone calls you out or speaks ill of you, New Atlanta or BD.NET
One has to wonder, why all the chest thumping?
Scott Stroz
-----From Scott -----
Facts:
- Myspace is the #5 most trafficked site on the internet, recently overtaking
Google (April) and Hotmail (May), and is poised to overtake AOL and EBay.
- Myspace is the #1 most trafficked site on the internet using CFML.
- MySpace is one of the most popular and fastest growing destinations on the
internet.
Strategic Truths:
- MySpace chose .NET as their strategic platform.
- MySpace thoroughly tested BlueDragon - on their most demanding applications -
even in their production environment. BlueDragon performance was superior to
ColdFusion.
- MySpace chose BlueDragon as a strategic part of their infrastructure.
- MySpace chose BlueDragon primarily based on superior performance and native
support for .NET.
- MySpace is removing ColdFusion. ColdFusion is not strategic part of their
infrastructure.
Tactical Minutiae:
MySpace is so busy managing a wildly successful and growing business that many
tasks – including the general transition to a .NET-based architecture (including
BlueDragon) has taken longer than originally anticipated.
MySpace has not yet transitioned all servers to BlueDragon.
MySpace is getting excellent support from New Atlanta throughout the transition.
All of the above statements were made within the first week of the initial
announcement at CFUnited.
Some people have questioned (and in some cases mischaracterized):
the usefulness of the MySpace website;
the architecture of the MySpace website;
the popularity of the MySpace website;
the Media Metrix ranking by ComScore;
the measure of performance of BlueDragon relative to ColdFusion;
the coding and deployment practices at MySpace;
the high levels of CFML compatibility MySpace experienced with BlueDragon;
the current deployed status of BlueDragon throughout the MySpace server farms.
The discussion has been great publicity, and by keeping this landmark win for New
Atlanta on the minds of many indicates we were right to make the announcement at
CFUnited. …And through it all, one thing still remains true: MySpace chose
BlueDragon to power their website.
The facts and strategic truths listed above are impervious to any tactical
minutiae, question or even mischaracterization.
Regards,
Dan
Author: Michael Traher
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215196
It seems to be very good publicity for Macromedia (CF5 doing a great job on
a very high traffic site) and also for BD.NET <http://BD.NET> (very high
traffic site have decided to migrate to BD.NET <http://BD.NET> (not without
some benchmarking and testing one assumes).
Everyone happy now? :-)
>
> >Just asking, but would this not go under cf-community?
>
> Because servers running CF5 and BlueDragon are a ColdFusion-related topic?
Author: Andrew Tyrone
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215194
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Actually, you can put your application.cfm outside the webroot and all
directories will be traversed up to the root of the drive until an
application.cfm file is (not) found. Just because an application.cfm file
doesn't exist in a web-accessible directory doesn't mean it isn't farther up
the directory tree.
Andy
Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215192
Mark,
That's true, I assumed they would run top notch hardware. I made the
comparison to sites running high performance hardware with a relatively
similar amount of hits looking at the server amount.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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de interactie met uw doelgroep.
Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer
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Micha,
Wouldn't that depend on a lot of variables? what kind of servers, what
are
the resources, how are they configured, hot spares etc.? It takes 5
metros
to haul the same amount of cargo as 1 van - right?
-Mark
If they need 15 server to handle a mail application then there must be
something terribly wrong. There are comparable sites which ran their
entire non cached site on 15 servers with relatively same amount of
hits.
Not to mention they seem to run an application pool for each section of
the site, pfeww... I have the idea they need a lot of restructuring. I
could be dead wrong, but something does not look right here.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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-----
Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren
de interactie met uw doelgroep.
Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer
informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl
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I based my understanding on this
"Hi Scott,
The MySpace server cluster is segregated into "application pools." There
are
just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If
you
go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs for "mail.myspace.com",
"forums.myspace.com", "music.myspace.com", etc.; these define the
separate
applications. For example, the "mail" application pool consists of 15
servers that only serve the mail application ("mail.myspace.com").
The upgrade from CF5 to BD.NET is being done one application at a time.
Since I know which applications have been upgraded to BD.NET and which
are
still running on CF5, I can tell whether a problem is with a BD.NET
server
pool or CF5 server pool based on which application is exhibiting the
problem
(for example, in an earlier comment, "Bill" said he was having problems
with
the home page, which is still running on a CF5 server pool).
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM"
Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated
an
entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in
the
melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just
thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that
Sean
listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.)
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environment!
>
> - Calvin
>
> Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of
> those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get
BD.net?
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Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215186
Micha,
Wouldn't that depend on a lot of variables? what kind of servers, what are
the resources, how are they configured, hot spares etc.? It takes 5 metros
to haul the same amount of cargo as 1 van - right?
-Mark
If they need 15 server to handle a mail application then there must be
something terribly wrong. There are comparable sites which ran their
entire non cached site on 15 servers with relatively same amount of
hits.
Not to mention they seem to run an application pool for each section of
the site, pfeww... I have the idea they need a lot of restructuring. I
could be dead wrong, but something does not look right here.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren
de interactie met uw doelgroep.
Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer
informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl
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I based my understanding on this
"Hi Scott,
The MySpace server cluster is segregated into "application pools." There
are
just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If
you
go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs for "mail.myspace.com",
"forums.myspace.com", "music.myspace.com", etc.; these define the
separate
applications. For example, the "mail" application pool consists of 15
servers that only serve the mail application ("mail.myspace.com").
The upgrade from CF5 to BD.NET is being done one application at a time.
Since I know which applications have been upgraded to BD.NET and which
are
still running on CF5, I can tell whether a problem is with a BD.NET
server
pool or CF5 server pool based on which application is exhibiting the
problem
(for example, in an earlier comment, "Bill" said he was having problems
with
the home page, which is still running on a CF5 server pool).
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM"
Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated
an
entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in
the
melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just
thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that
Sean
listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.)
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
environment!
>
> - Calvin
>
> Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of
> those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get
BD.net?
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215181
If they need 15 server to handle a mail application then there must be
something terribly wrong. There are comparable sites which ran their
entire non cached site on 15 servers with relatively same amount of
hits.
Not to mention they seem to run an application pool for each section of
the site, pfeww... I have the idea they need a lot of restructuring. I
could be dead wrong, but something does not look right here.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren
de interactie met uw doelgroep.
Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer
informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-----
I based my understanding on this
"Hi Scott,
The MySpace server cluster is segregated into "application pools." There
are
just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If
you
go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs for "mail.myspace.com",
"forums.myspace.com", "music.myspace.com", etc.; these define the
separate
applications. For example, the "mail" application pool consists of 15
servers that only serve the mail application ("mail.myspace.com").
The upgrade from CF5 to BD.NET is being done one application at a time.
Since I know which applications have been upgraded to BD.NET and which
are
still running on CF5, I can tell whether a problem is with a BD.NET
server
pool or CF5 server pool based on which application is exhibiting the
problem
(for example, in an earlier comment, "Bill" said he was having problems
with
the home page, which is still running on a CF5 server pool).
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM"
Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated
an
entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in
the
melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just
thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that
Sean
listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.)
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
environment!
>
> - Calvin
>
> Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of
> those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get
BD.net?
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Author: Deanna Schneider
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215180
Ah, I missed that. Thanks.
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Author: Scott Stroz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215177
> My car is powered by Diesel. ... it does use oil though, and has some
> fluids for the window washers, etc. ;)
Poor comparison. Your car will run without windshielkd washer fluid. And
while there are other thigs that are needed for an engien to run (suxh as
oil), the power comes from the fuel (be it diesel, gasoline or elcetricity).
This is purely a case where New Atlanta's marketing department grossly
underestimated the audience of the 'spin'.
Is it splitting hairs? Asolutley. However, look at some of Vince's comments,
he is splitting them just as much as everyone else.
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Author: Calvin Ward
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I based my understanding on this
"Hi Scott,
The MySpace server cluster is segregated into "application pools." There are
just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If you
go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs for "mail.myspace.com",
"forums.myspace.com", "music.myspace.com", etc.; these define the separate
applications. For example, the "mail" application pool consists of 15
servers that only serve the mail application ("mail.myspace.com").
The upgrade from CF5 to BD.NET is being done one application at a time.
Since I know which applications have been upgraded to BD.NET and which are
still running on CF5, I can tell whether a problem is with a BD.NET server
pool or CF5 server pool based on which application is exhibiting the problem
(for example, in an earlier comment, "Bill" said he was having problems with
the home page, which is still running on a CF5 server pool).
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM"
Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated an
entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in the
melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just
thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that Sean
listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.)
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Author: Deanna Schneider
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215175
Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they
migrated an entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how
it coped in the melee. I might be remembering wrong, though.
Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just
thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that
Sean listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.)
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215174
Afaik, they were already running a mix of ASP.NET and CF5. The high
performance parts seem to be made in ASP.NET.
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Not at all.
According to my understanding of Vince's description they are migrating
entire applications at a time. So according to that and the description
of
an application (app.myspace.com), it stands to reason that each app is
either all CF5 or all BD.
Notwithstanding that there may be some variances that may make such an
architecture (mixed application servers for one application)
undesirable. I
certainly wouldn't choose a mixed production environment!
- Calvin
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those
pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get BD.net?
> Here's a few more:
>
> http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
>
> http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215172
I see where you're heading to Calvin and I agree that the statement can
be viewed in different ways.
Rey...
Calvin Ward wrote:
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215170
My car is powered by Diesel. ... it does use oil though, and has some
fluids for the window washers, etc. ;)
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Actually, the banner says
"The #1 CFML Website is powered by Blue Dragon"
Not
"The #1 CFML Website runs Blue Dragon"
Or
"The #1 CFML Website uses Blue Dragon"
Just a clarification.
>>What about:
>
>
> 'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't
resist.
> 'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
>
> Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main
> CFUnited room all week.
> http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
Scott, its all based on interpretation. As Micha mentioned, the banner
only
says that MySpace runs BD.Net.
Rey...
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Author: Ken Wilson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215169
Don't forget the t-shirt hanging in my closet...
"The #1 CFMX Website is Powered by BlueDragon"
The seem to have forgotten the asterisk with the kinda, sorta,
patially, maybe someday all the way note at the bottom. :)
The skirmish does seem to come down to matter of marketing vs
reality...with reality lagging behind the image conveyed by the sales
pitch.
Lost in here somewhere is also the issue that CFMX was being
criticized on at least one point (db drivers) without any information
regarding what they did to try and resolve it beyond just leap to a
different vendor. And, of course, the cowboy coder remarks are a
direct result of the myspace.com presenters comments and tales of
their development and (non)testing process and how the users liked it
when the servers went down and the game came up.
Some day marketing folks will get a clue and realize that trying to
parse, spin and defend exaggerated claims after the fact doesn't work
anymore. And attacking respected messengers only hurts them in the
end. The politicians have ruined that for you...we're all too cynical
to believe just anything thrown our way.
Ken
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Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215168
Not at all.
According to my understanding of Vince's description they are migrating
entire applications at a time. So according to that and the description of
an application (app.myspace.com), it stands to reason that each app is
either all CF5 or all BD.
Notwithstanding that there may be some variances that may make such an
architecture (mixed application servers for one application) undesirable. I
certainly wouldn't choose a mixed production environment!
- Calvin
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those
pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get BD.net?
> Here's a few more:
>
> http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
>
> http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215167
Marketing is misleading ... Have you ever heard Microsoft stating in
their TV commercials they make software that might fail?
In general they say, bigger, better, faster, so I should then assume it
should never crash.
Just a stupid comparison but I am trying to say, to prevent overreacting
to statements made. I think everybody has enough brain threads open to
process a "marketing" poster.
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I think I covered this in my response earlier.
Stating myspace is on BD, implies that all of it is, or even at the very
least, most of it is.
But the truth is that most of myspace is on CF5.
Thus the appearance of being misleading in the marketing speak.
And actually, this list also takes MM to task for such things as well
from
my memory.
- Calvin
What's wrong with that statement? They do run BlueDragon, and I never
see
them mentioning that the entire server park runs BlueDragon.
They only say, MySpace runs BlueDragon. Just a matter of marketing.
People seem to handle the same type of Macromedia marketing talk very
well,
why is that different with New Atlanta.
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of
> Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and
entertaining
> presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons
why
> the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET..."
>
> And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk:
>
> "In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
> Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
Atlanta's
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'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main
CFUnited
room all week.
http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
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Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215163
Actually, the banner says
"The #1 CFML Website is powered by Blue Dragon"
Not
"The #1 CFML Website runs Blue Dragon"
Or
"The #1 CFML Website uses Blue Dragon"
Just a clarification.
>>What about:
>
>
> 'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist.
> 'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
>
> Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main
> CFUnited room all week.
> http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
Scott, its all based on interpretation. As Micha mentioned, the banner only
says that MySpace runs BD.Net.
Rey...
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Author: Yves Arsenault
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215164
I agree.... They are just saying (in my opinion): "Hey, we've decided
to use this"..
Yves
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Author: Deanna Schneider
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215162
Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of
those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get
BD.net?
> Here's a few more:
>
> http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
>
> http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm
CF5
Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215160
I think I covered this in my response earlier.
Stating myspace is on BD, implies that all of it is, or even at the very
least, most of it is.
But the truth is that most of myspace is on CF5.
Thus the appearance of being misleading in the marketing speak.
And actually, this list also takes MM to task for such things as well from
my memory.
- Calvin
What's wrong with that statement? They do run BlueDragon, and I never see
them mentioning that the entire server park runs BlueDragon.
They only say, MySpace runs BlueDragon. Just a matter of marketing.
People seem to handle the same type of Macromedia marketing talk very well,
why is that different with New Atlanta.
Micha Schopman
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of
> Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and
entertaining
> presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons
why
> the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET..."
>
> And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk:
>
> "In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
> Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
Atlanta's
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited
room all week.
http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
--
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215158
>>What about:
>
>
> 'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist.
> 'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
>
> Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited
> room all week.
> http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
Scott, its all based on interpretation. As Micha mentioned, the banner
only says that MySpace runs BD.Net.
Rey...
--
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215154
What's wrong with that statement? They do run BlueDragon, and I never
see them mentioning that the entire server park runs BlueDragon.
They only say, MySpace runs BlueDragon. Just a matter of marketing.
People seem to handle the same type of Macromedia marketing talk very
well, why is that different with New Atlanta.
Micha Schopman
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of
> Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and
entertaining
> presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons
why
> the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET..."
>
> And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk:
>
> "In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
> Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
Atlanta's
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main
CFUnited
room all week.
http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
--
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com <http://Boyzoid.com>
___________________________
Some days you are the dog,
Some days you are the tree.
Author: Scott Stroz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215149
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML'
'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote'
Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited
room all week.
http://flickr.com/photos/77581638@N00/23435256/
--
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com <http://Boyzoid.com>
___________________________
Some days you are the dog,
Some days you are the tree.
Author: Yves Arsenault
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215145
Yeah, to throw 2 cents worth in......
With a server config like they have (servers numbered in the hundreds)
they couldn't possibly switch over in a matter of days or a few
weeks....
I guess a misunderstanding occured either in the original presentation
which brought up the subject or in some posts. I wasn't at the
presentation, but I do understand serveral people were under the
impression that the "myspace" site was running BD.NET.
I'm not sure of the official release date of BD.NET, but I doubt it's
been a year... probably hasn't even been enough time to switch over
such a high number of systems.
I would be curious to see the original presentation...
Yves
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Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215139
Vince,
I think the challenge here is because Sean's actual statement from his blog
entry here:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entry&entry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B
39932484397145 is:
"So, in fact, the highest traffic ColdFusion site in the world is (mostly)
running on Macromedia ColdFusion 5, a four year old product, two major
releases behind the times!"
Which is not blatantly false nor a distortion of the 'facts', but precisely
what you've been saying. Unless I'm missing something obvious?
It may be a distortion of the 'message' that this is an success story
technically (which it may yet be, and probably can be considered to be from
a sales perspective), but that 'message' (if that's the intended message)
seems a bit premature. And that's part of the point of the blog entry I
think.
To clarify what I mean, if you are referring to the site in its entirety, it
is not running BD, but mostly CF5, which appears to be most of the
disconnect here. The statement "myspace.com is running BD" implies that it
is doing so in its entirety. The reality is that it is *not* running BD
[exclusivity implied], but running CF5 for the most part with a few
applications (one confirmed) on BD and (one confirmed) on .NET.
This seems to be an example of where sales presentation meets technical
examination and results in not unexpected dissonance.
I think there is little point in mischaracterizing the comments when the
disagreement appears to be about presentation more so than 'facts'.
- Calvin
Right. And where is that inconsistent with anything that was said in any of
the other references I gave? When did I or anyone at New Atlanta say the
entire MySpace web server farm has already been migrated to BD.NET? Here are
some quotes, starting with the original press release:
"MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and
reliability..."
"New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest
ColdFusion-based web site, is switching to BlueDragon.NET..."
"At the Friday keynote session at CFUNITED-05, Peter Amiri, Director of
Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and entertaining
presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons why
the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET..."
And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk:
"In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's
BlueDragon for .NET"
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:40946#
210707
Note the quotes, "...is switching to..." and "...is being migrated to...".
The fact is that the contract had been signed, the commitment had been made,
and the switch to BlueDragon.NET had already started at the time of our
announcement (and is continuing).
Our message has been entirely truthful and consistent from the very
beginning. There are some people who want to distort our message and
discredit MySpace and New Atlanta, and have from the very moment our
announcement was made. There's nothing I can do about that.
Vince
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Author: Micha Schopman
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215136
I'd rather care about the details instead of worrying about whether a
specific percentage of the server already is running BlueDragon.
I am interested in parts like incompatibility issues, speed improvements
(especially since they are running the .NET version ?) , stability
improvements, etc. cost savings, and most of all the opinion of those
who are developing on BlueDragon at MySpace.
Seriously, did people really think MySpace would migrate such a platform
in just some weeks? The discussion more or less looks like "let's find a
weak spot in the replies" while it can be such an interesting discussion
about the early results of the migration. Some statements made could
have been marketing talk, too bad, that is the nature of a business.
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Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://blog.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://invite.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
>Vince,
>
>I believe the conflict is over this:
>
>http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon
http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://browseusers.myspace.com/ - ASP.NET
http://search.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://signup.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://groups.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://events.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://music.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://classifieds.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
As Vince himself said, most of the site is still running CF5 (which was
exactly what I said on my blog, quoting his own words).
Sean (who doesn't like being called a liar in public even when he is on
sabbatical!)
Author: Calvin Ward
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Here's a few more:
http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://blog.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
http://invite.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5
>Vince,
>
>I believe the conflict is over this:
>
>http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon
http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://browseusers.myspace.com/ - ASP.NET
http://search.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://signup.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://groups.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://events.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://music.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://classifieds.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
As Vince himself said, most of the site is still running CF5 (which was
exactly what I said on my blog, quoting his own words).
Sean (who doesn't like being called a liar in public even when he is on
sabbatical!)
Author: Sean Corfield
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215126
>Just asking, but would this not go under cf-community?
Because servers running CF5 and BlueDragon are a ColdFusion-related topic?
Author: David Brown
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215125
Just asking, but would this not go under cf-community?
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Author: Sean Corfield
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215121
>Vince,
>
>I believe the conflict is over this:
>
>http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon
http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://browseusers.myspace.com/ - ASP.NET
http://search.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://signup.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://groups.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://events.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://music.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
http://classifieds.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5
As Vince himself said, most of the site is still running CF5 (which was exactly
what I said on my blog, quoting his own words).
Sean (who doesn't like being called a liar in public even when he is on
sabbatical!)
Author: Scott Stroz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215118
Vince,
As I noted on Diug Hughes' blog (
http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116),
as someone
who sat through the keynote at CFUNITED, I came away with the distinct
impression that MySPace was runnign BD.NET <http://BD.NET> already. Nor was
anything done or said to cull those false impressions.
I am sure you can understand the confusion when you make statements
like 'MySpace
is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement.'
(which was copied from a post earlier in this thread), and follow that up
with ' Heck, just the servers running BD.NET <http://bd.net/>; (still the
minority on MySpace) are probably serving more web pages per day than any
other CFML site on the internet.' (also copied from earlier in the thread.
To put it in perspective (and this is a gross exaggeration), imagine Mozilla
making an announcement that FireFox is the browser of choice for Internet
users and then back-pedaling and saying, 'Well, not yet, but we are getting
there.'
I think the problem people are having (me included) is that you make
comments like 'MySPace is running BD.NET <http://BD.NET>', without
qualifying that the migration is in progress and that, by your own
admission, is running on a minority of servers, until someone calls you out
or speaks ill of you, New Atlanta or BD.NET <http://BD.NET>
One has to wonder, why all the chest thumping?
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com <http://Boyzoid.com>
___________________________
Some days you are the dog,
Some days you are the tree.
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215117
thanks!
I'm not against you Vince, sorry if I came off that way.
I just remembered some comments I saw about why or why not you weren't
responding to the questions and had forgotten until I saw your name today, so I
thought I would repost the ?.
I use myspace as a very good business tool and myself was curious to what parts
were in fact bd so I could keep a concious look out for improvement.
I hate micro$oft not New Atlanta ;)
I actually have a site (just bought domain name 5 minutes ago) that I was
thinking of using BD on. But now thinking about it I will be using flash remoting
on it and I am not interested in the java one that is on other current thread and
I am assuming BD doesn't have that.
Guess I'm buying a dedicated server, anyone interested in going in on one with
me at hms? James?
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
OK, sorry, I'll try to tone down the "huffy, puffy" part.
The pages running on BlueDragon.NET are all ".cfm" pages, just as would be
running on CF5. So you can't tell which pages are running CF5 and which are
running BD.NET just by looking at the file extension (in fact, there's no
way for you to tell at all, which is sort of the point of BD.NET).
They have several hundred web servers in their server farm. Some are running
CF5 and some are running BD.NET. As each week goes by, less are running CF5
and more are running BD.NET. Eventually, all will be running BD.NET. Does
that answer your question?
Vince
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Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215112
OK, sorry, I'll try to tone down the "huffy, puffy" part.
The pages running on BlueDragon.NET are all ".cfm" pages, just as would be
running on CF5. So you can't tell which pages are running CF5 and which are
running BD.NET just by looking at the file extension (in fact, there's no
way for you to tell at all, which is sort of the point of BD.NET).
They have several hundred web servers in their server farm. Some are running
CF5 and some are running BD.NET. As each week goes by, less are running CF5
and more are running BD.NET. Eventually, all will be running BD.NET. Does
that answer your question?
Vince
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215111
Having worked for a large CF-Based dotcom (45 CF server farm), I would
have to say that this :
"they haven't the faintest idea of what it means to build a site that's
even 1% the size of MySpace)."
is right on target.
Rey...
Vince Bonfanti wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215110
yeah a few pages here and there and your answer, well wasnt an answer.
my ? refered to what sections it was, i see 1 page running .net (browse), not
how many pages myspace serves up a day.
dang you are gettin all huffy puffy and we are just curious.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
"a few pages here and there"?! MySpace is serving 7.5 *billion* page views
per month. Their web server farm consists of several *hundred* servers.
Those are numbers that some people seem simply unable to comprehend. Heck,
just the servers running BD.NET (still the minority on MySpace) are probably
serving more web pages per day than any other CFML site on the internet.
Cutting over that many serves from CF5 to BD.NET isn't going to happen
overnight (nor would it happen overnight if they had chosen to go from CF5
to CFMX). It's happening in an orderly, planned, carefully managed process.
In spite of attempts of some people to discredit MySpace by characterizing
them as "cowboys", they do in fact know what they're doing (and the people
who refer to MySpace as "cowboys" are clueless and simply don't know what
they're talking about--they haven't the faintest idea of what it means to
build a site that's even 1% the size of MySpace).
Vince
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Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215109
"a few pages here and there"?! MySpace is serving 7.5 *billion* page views
per month. Their web server farm consists of several *hundred* servers.
Those are numbers that some people seem simply unable to comprehend. Heck,
just the servers running BD.NET (still the minority on MySpace) are probably
serving more web pages per day than any other CFML site on the internet.
Cutting over that many serves from CF5 to BD.NET isn't going to happen
overnight (nor would it happen overnight if they had chosen to go from CF5
to CFMX). It's happening in an orderly, planned, carefully managed process.
In spite of attempts of some people to discredit MySpace by characterizing
them as "cowboys", they do in fact know what they're doing (and the people
who refer to MySpace as "cowboys" are clueless and simply don't know what
they're talking about--they haven't the faintest idea of what it means to
build a site that's even 1% the size of MySpace).
Vince
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Author: Daniel Ganter
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215099
>No one from New Atlanta ever said that. The only people who say we said that
>are people who wish to discredit us.
>
>Vince
But we do thank them all for keeping this landmark achievement in the thoughts of
the greater CFML community.
Living well is the best revenge.
Dan
Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215094
No one from New Atlanta ever said that. The only people who say we said that
are people who wish to discredit us.
Vince
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Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215093
Right. And where is that inconsistent with anything that was said in any of
the other references I gave? When did I or anyone at New Atlanta say the
entire MySpace web server farm has already been migrated to BD.NET? Here are
some quotes, starting with the original press release:
"MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and
reliability..."
"New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest
ColdFusion-based web site, is switching to BlueDragon.NET..."
"At the Friday keynote session at CFUNITED-05, Peter Amiri, Director of
Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and entertaining
presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons why
the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET..."
And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk:
"In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's
BlueDragon for .NET"
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:40946#
210707
Note the quotes, "...is switching to..." and "...is being migrated to...".
The fact is that the contract had been signed, the commitment had been made,
and the switch to BlueDragon.NET had already started at the time of our
announcement (and is continuing).
Our message has been entirely truthful and consistent from the very
beginning. There are some people who want to distort our message and
discredit MySpace and New Atlanta, and have from the very moment our
announcement was made. There's nothing I can do about that.
Vince
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Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215091
Isn't this handled with a server wide error handler set in the CF Admin?
And isn't that a best practice (and a not very time consuming one at that).
- Calvin
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
showing a typical, classic CF5.0 error. In BD, the error messages are like
nuclear red/orange/yellow or something. Until this error screen kicks the
b&w, I'm forced to doubt MySpace's switch somewhat.
Yes, BTW, everyone, this is a server hack that can alert people to
(roughly) what version of CF you are running. The only workaround I know of
is to not use Application.cfm/cfc/onrequestend.cfm, and make sure you handle
any 404 errors thrown.
-nathan strutz
Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> Sean's statement that MySpace is "not (running) BlueDragon" is
> blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release
about MySpace:
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Author: Nathan Strutz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215090
Vince,
I believe the conflict is over this:
http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm
showing a typical, classic CF5.0 error. In BD, the error messages are
like nuclear red/orange/yellow or something. Until this error screen
kicks the b&w, I'm forced to doubt MySpace's switch somewhat.
Yes, BTW, everyone, this is a server hack that can alert people to
(roughly) what version of CF you are running. The only workaround I know
of is to not use Application.cfm/cfc/onrequestend.cfm, and make sure you
handle any 404 errors thrown.
-nathan strutz
Vince Bonfanti wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215089
I think people were upset because it was said that myspace had been completely
running on bd for several months and that was taken as the whole site not a few
pages here and there. I see the search pages are now .net any others?
Again Vince I am not trying to do anything other than get correct info.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
I think this is the relevant part:
"That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to
take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems
you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded
to BD.NET. You'll know the upgrade to BD.NET is complete when these problems
go away.
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM"
Sean's statement that MySpace is "not (running) BlueDragon" is blatantly,
factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace:
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp
Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the
wrap-around URLs):
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=764C1F4A-89D7-A61A-F9F
71128027172A7
Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a
link to the original PowerPoint presentation:
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BCD4-66A
E12F14C9315A7
Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is
referring:
http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and
BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials.
Vince
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Author: Calvin Ward
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215085
I think this is the relevant part:
"That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to
take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems
you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded
to BD.NET. You'll know the upgrade to BD.NET is complete when these problems
go away.
Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM"
Sean's statement that MySpace is "not (running) BlueDragon" is blatantly,
factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace:
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp
Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the
wrap-around URLs):
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=764C1F4A-89D7-A61A-F9F
71128027172A7
Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a
link to the original PowerPoint presentation:
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BCD4-66A
E12F14C9315A7
Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is
referring:
http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and
BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials.
Vince
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Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215083
Thank you for the detailed links. I'll put them into a follow up in Fusion
Authority (unless you want to blog it with the links and we'll cover your
blog entry).
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Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215079
Sean's statement that MySpace is "not (running) BlueDragon" is blatantly,
factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace:
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp
Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the
wrap-around URLs):
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=764C1F4A-89D7-A61A-F9F
71128027172A7
Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a
link to the original PowerPoint presentation:
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BCD4-66A
E12F14C9315A7
Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is
referring:
http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116
Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and
BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials.
Vince
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Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215080
It was covered in the Blog Watch section of Fusion Authority
(http://www.fusionauthority.com/Blog_watch/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4478)
about
2 weeks back.
Without letting my own feeling about myspace invade, I should point out that
myspace has multiple servers and it is possible that some are on BD.Net and
others are still on CF 5 as they are being moved over. As I'm not there, I
can't really say. I did offer them to have me there, but... :)
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215077
yes that is the one, i also thought there was a thread on here but you were on
vacation I think.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace
still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entry&entry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B39932484397145
> MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
> announcement. Why would you think otherwise?
Author: Michael Dinowitz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215075
I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace
still using CF 5:
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entry&entry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B39932484397145
> MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
> announcement. Why would you think otherwise?
Author: Vince Bonfanti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215074
MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our
announcement. Why would you think otherwise?
Vince
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:41720#215063
Vince,
I am in no way trying to biff you or anything but I have yet to see any sort of
responce to the questions about MySpace and their use of BlueDragon after we were
told that it was alreay running BG but they really weren't.
I know there were quite a few people on here that were waiting for an answer
from you.
~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
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