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Image manipulation - Why Macromedia?!
Author: Massimo Foti
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220520
> I've done that Russ...I'm using Massimo's tmt_img.cfc. It works well. I
> simply stated that I wished MM would include this functionality in
> Coldfusion itself.
Even if I already solved the problem on my own. I too wish MM would include
image manipulation functionality on a future release. It just makes a lot of
sense in my opinion.
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Massimo Foti
Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers:
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Author: Nathan Strutz
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220437
> I believe it goes more like "We don't serve French fries here, but [snip]
Can you equate that to the inclusion of web services in CFMX? You know
they use the apache axis engine. Talk about getting the menu from the
neighbors and tacking it onto your bill, what about Verity? Is that
really a necessity for CF to function.
No, but it sells.
I see the features argument a little differently than you. Let's talk
about the CF platform and its parent, Java, versus the Java platform
and its parent, whatever it was written in, c or assembly or what have
you, i don't know.
CF is compiled through its parent to run on the JRE.
Java is compiled through its parent to run on different OSes.
CF has a loose collection of organized tags and functions, pre-written
code that saves you time by shortcutting and tying together
capabilities of its parent.
Java has the java library, an organized collection of useful objects
that save you time by shortcutting and tying together capabilities of
its parent.
CF exposes its parent by wrapping it in easy-to-use tags & functions.
Java exposes its parent by wrapping it in easy-to-use objects.
Without CF, you would have to write straight Java to get the job done.
Without Java, you would have to write straight assembly or c++ to get
the job done.
CF allows developers to get around the complexities of collections
(java.util.map, java.util.vector) by providing its own (struct,
array).
Java allows developers to get around the complexities of shifting bits
and complex manipulations by providing built-in collection objects.
Let's pretend CF has tags and functions for 50% of everything java
provides, just in the base library. Why would CF provide us with
simplifying collections, manipulating strings, regular expressions, IO
and networking operations, mathematics, database connectivity and XML,
but not provide us with just one more feature, simple image
manipulation?
Just a question to think about. Java already has the functionality
there. It's built into the underlying platform. MM doesn't even have
to shift bits and manually manage memory consumption, it's in Java.
The fact that it hasn't been brought into the CF platform bewilders
me. Maybe they're waiting for a release that they don't have enough
cool, new features in.
-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/
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Author: Bryan Stevenson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220417
Hey Andy....tell that boss of yours that although you'd like to think you
know everything in the known universe already...occasionally the task at
hand requires some learning to ensure the best possible result...he/she can
cough up for the tag or pay ya a few bucks to leanr something new that can
be applied to future projects and make them go faster ;-)
People without vison or common sense suck!!
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220409
Thanks Bryan...
I'm trying to learn constantly. Learning CF, javascript, Flash, mySQL , etc.
The problem is that it's hard to convince the owner of my company to spring
for Alagad's image component.
So it's not the learning that's the problem. It's the billing of the time
that's the problem.
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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> Lazy? That's not being lazy. That's using your time to it's fullest
> potential. I can't really bill the time needed to learn Java or search
> Google for ways that I can resize images in ColdFusion.
Ummm....it's called part of the job....if you already knew it all you'd be
the perfect developer....IMHO if you stop learning you are dead wood (not
directed at you Andy....just a general statement).
FYI...Googling was exactly how I learned what I needed...and it only took
about an hour to solve the problem ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Bryan Stevenson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220399
> Lazy? That's not being lazy. That's using your time to it's fullest
> potential. I can't really bill the time needed to learn Java or search
> Google for ways that I can resize images in ColdFusion.
Ummm....it's called part of the job....if you already knew it all you'd be
the perfect developer....IMHO if you stop learning you are dead wood (not
directed at you Andy....just a general statement).
FYI...Googling was exactly how I learned what I needed...and it only took
about an hour to solve the problem ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220396
Lazy? That's not being lazy. That's using your time to it's fullest
potential. I can't really bill the time needed to learn Java or search
Google for ways that I can resize images in ColdFusion.
As for people who say you don't have to know Java, yes I understand. I've
already mentioned I'm using the tmt_img CFC. I'm perfectly happy with it, it
does what I need. I still think it would be great if MM would include this
functionality in Coldfusion. That's all there is to say about it.
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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I believe it goes more like "We don't serve French fries here, but here is a
menu for the place next door, pick what you what, and we'll go and get it
for you. We'll even put it on the same bill... you'll never know that it
was from next door unless we told you."
Now what you are asking is for them to put it on their own menu, but still
get it from next door without telling you. I mean, yea, it would be nice,
since you wouldn't have to look at the menu from the place next door, but I
think you're just being lazy :-P
Russ
>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Rick Root
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220390
Andy Matthews wrote:
> Precisely my thoughts Claude. I don't know Java. I don't care to learn Java
> (at this point). I just want a toolset in my favorite language, coldfusion.
but you don't have to know java. There are numerous CFC implementations
written by people who DO know java.
I use a CFC written by Jim Dew.
Here's how I resize images:
<cfscript>
imagePath = "C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\foo.jpg";
newWidth = 50;
newHeight = 50;
image = CreateObject("component","image");
image.readImage("FILE", imagePath)
image.resize(newWidth, newHeight);
image.writeImage(variables.imagePath);
</cfscript>
Rick
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220382
I believe it goes more like "We don't serve French fries here, but here is a
menu for the place next door, pick what you what, and we'll go and get it
for you. We'll even put it on the same bill... you'll never know that it
was from next door unless we told you."
Now what you are asking is for them to put it on their own menu, but still
get it from next door without telling you. I mean, yea, it would be nice,
since you wouldn't have to look at the menu from the place next door, but I
think you're just being lazy :-P
Russ
>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Bryan Stevenson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220377
There are many things that we'd like to see in CF...but with a little effort
you can write your own.
I mean hey....wouldn't it be nice if CF came with payment gateway tags?? ;-)
This is the power of CF....if it don't come built in...you can build it
yourself with relative ease.
I might add I wrote both my posted image methods without knowing ANY
Java....just found some Java code...read it...tried my best to understand it
(not too hard to read any langauge and get the general idea of what it
does)....converted it to CF code...not hard at all.
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220376
I've done that Russ...I'm using Massimo's tmt_img.cfc. It works well. I
simply stated that I wished MM would include this functionality in
Coldfusion itself.
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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The original message mentioned that image manipulation doesn't come with
php, but as a free community provided plugin. There has been code posted
many times on this list that does image manipulation. It is already or can
easily be converted to a cfc. Now, unless someone has a problem with the
quality that it produces, or the features that it has, I don't see what
everyone is whining about? You have been given the code... stick it in a
cfc, and use it... no need to learn java, other people have done it for you.
Precisely my thoughts Claude. I don't know Java. I don't care to learn Java
(at this point). I just want a toolset in my favorite language, coldfusion.
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220375
The original message mentioned that image manipulation doesn't come with
php, but as a free community provided plugin. There has been code posted
many times on this list that does image manipulation. It is already or can
easily be converted to a cfc. Now, unless someone has a problem with the
quality that it produces, or the features that it has, I don't see what
everyone is whining about? You have been given the code... stick it in a
cfc, and use it... no need to learn java, other people have done it for you.
Precisely my thoughts Claude. I don't know Java. I don't care to learn Java
(at this point). I just want a toolset in my favorite language, coldfusion.
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220373
Precisely my thoughts Claude. I don't know Java. I don't care to learn Java
(at this point). I just want a toolset in my favorite language, coldfusion.
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Claude Schneegans
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220371
>>I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java
Java is not a panacea for CF users nor an excuse for any lack of some
tool in CF.
Many CF developers do not wish to learn and use Java.
Developers who really want to use Java would go JSP instead.
It would be like a restaurant telling you "If you want some French fries
with your steak,
go get them for the Macdo next door" ;-)
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Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220357
Done.
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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> I'm not asking CF to provide everything. But this is something that almost
> every needs at one point or another. How many people us cfchart compared
to
> the number of people that would want to manipulate images?
>
http://www.macromedia.com/go/wish
Regards,
Dave.
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220355
Here here!
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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I agree, that's a fair question. CF's whole purpose is "RAD" and inclusion
of things that make development far easier. CFGRID is one of those things,
CFGRAPH is one, there could easily be CFIMAGE. All MM/Adobe needs to do is
buy something like the ImageCR product and integrate it. I imagine it would
be a great reason in favor up upgrading to the next version.
Matthew Small
I'm not asking CF to provide everything. But this is something that almost
every needs at one point or another. How many people us cfchart compared to
the number of people that would want to manipulate images?
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andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
It is available in your own language. ColdFusion is really java, and there
has been code posted in java to do image manipulation. Anything that could
be done in java could be done in ColdFusion. If you need something that
performs better, then you go pay for it. ColdFusion can't possibly include
everything.
Russ
Okay...
This is related to my original post about image manipulation, but is NOT
asking about a specific program.
My question is that since SO MANY people look for image manipulation in
their programming language, why don't more developers add this feature into
their language. Even PHP doesn't have this stuff natively (that I know of)
but does allow you to add it in via extra libraries.
So consider this an open letter to Macromedia/Adobe. Why isn't something
which is so desired by so many people added into your language? I could go
and pay $75 for an excellent codebase (Alagad's Image Component) but doesn't
it make sense to include this into the language itself? I just don't
understand it.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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Author: Rick Faircloth
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220353
Agreed...
Rick
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Author: Rick Root
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220354
I tend to agree with other responses. Image manipulation is available
in the underlying java, and it's not that difficult to implement. There
are several cfcs out there - some are free - that do image manipulation.
I do admit that it'd be nice to see them implement CFIMAGE like
Bluedragon has done, but it doesn't bother me that much because there
are plenty of cheap and/or free alternatives that aren't difficult to
implement.
Alternatively, generating PDFs and doing reporting from within CF was
always possible before, but only by using costly products or methods
that were extremely difficult to implement (I had integrated
JasperReports with CFMX 6.1. JasperReports is the open source java
reporting solution that the CFMX7 solution is built on)
Rick
Andy Matthews wrote:
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Author: Jordan Michaels
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220352
BlueDragon Server includes a CFIMAGE tag which does basic image
manipulation.
-JM
Matthew Small wrote:
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Author: Matthew Small
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220350
I agree, that's a fair question. CF's whole purpose is "RAD" and inclusion
of things that make development far easier. CFGRID is one of those things,
CFGRAPH is one, there could easily be CFIMAGE. All MM/Adobe needs to do is
buy something like the ImageCR product and integrate it. I imagine it would
be a great reason in favor up upgrading to the next version.
Matthew Small
I'm not asking CF to provide everything. But this is something that almost
every needs at one point or another. How many people us cfchart compared to
the number of people that would want to manipulate images?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
It is available in your own language. ColdFusion is really java, and there
has been code posted in java to do image manipulation. Anything that could
be done in java could be done in ColdFusion. If you need something that
performs better, then you go pay for it. ColdFusion can't possibly include
everything.
Russ
Okay...
This is related to my original post about image manipulation, but is NOT
asking about a specific program.
My question is that since SO MANY people look for image manipulation in
their programming language, why don't more developers add this feature into
their language. Even PHP doesn't have this stuff natively (that I know of)
but does allow you to add it in via extra libraries.
So consider this an open letter to Macromedia/Adobe. Why isn't something
which is so desired by so many people added into your language? I could go
and pay $75 for an excellent codebase (Alagad's Image Component) but doesn't
it make sense to include this into the language itself? I just don't
understand it.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
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Author: Dave Carabetta
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220351
> I'm not asking CF to provide everything. But this is something that almost
> every needs at one point or another. How many people us cfchart compared to
> the number of people that would want to manipulate images?
>
http://www.macromedia.com/go/wish
Regards,
Dave.
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220347
I'm not asking CF to provide everything. But this is something that almost
every needs at one point or another. How many people us cfchart compared to
the number of people that would want to manipulate images?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
It is available in your own language. ColdFusion is really java, and there
has been code posted in java to do image manipulation. Anything that could
be done in java could be done in ColdFusion. If you need something that
performs better, then you go pay for it. ColdFusion can't possibly include
everything.
Russ
Okay...
This is related to my original post about image manipulation, but is NOT
asking about a specific program.
My question is that since SO MANY people look for image manipulation in
their programming language, why don't more developers add this feature into
their language. Even PHP doesn't have this stuff natively (that I know of)
but does allow you to add it in via extra libraries.
So consider this an open letter to Macromedia/Adobe. Why isn't something
which is so desired by so many people added into your language? I could go
and pay $75 for an excellent codebase (Alagad's Image Component) but doesn't
it make sense to include this into the language itself? I just don't
understand it.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220349
It cant include everything but it does pretty much everything now!
Also considering that Macromedia will become part of Adobe why not a real
good set of image manipulation tags (Photoshop image scaling alogarithm
anyone?)
I agree with Andy here, ok.. we cant do the most "esoteric" things but we
can do uploads natively, move files, list directories, ftp things, create
reports and what not, why not a few image manip tags?
MD
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220344
It is available in your own language. ColdFusion is really java, and there
has been code posted in java to do image manipulation. Anything that could
be done in java could be done in ColdFusion. If you need something that
performs better, then you go pay for it. ColdFusion can't possibly include
everything.
Russ
Okay...
This is related to my original post about image manipulation, but is NOT
asking about a specific program.
My question is that since SO MANY people look for image manipulation in
their programming language, why don't more developers add this feature into
their language. Even PHP doesn't have this stuff natively (that I know of)
but does allow you to add it in via extra libraries.
So consider this an open letter to Macromedia/Adobe. Why isn't something
which is so desired by so many people added into your language? I could go
and pay $75 for an excellent codebase (Alagad's Image Component) but doesn't
it make sense to include this into the language itself? I just don't
understand it.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:42638#220342
Okay...
This is related to my original post about image manipulation, but is NOT
asking about a specific program.
My question is that since SO MANY people look for image manipulation in
their programming language, why don't more developers add this feature into
their language. Even PHP doesn't have this stuff natively (that I know of)
but does allow you to add it in via extra libraries.
So consider this an open letter to Macromedia/Adobe. Why isn't something
which is so desired by so many people added into your language? I could go
and pay $75 for an excellent codebase (Alagad's Image Component) but doesn't
it make sense to include this into the language itself? I just don't
understand it.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
<!----------------//------
andy matthews
web developer
ICGLink, Inc.
andy@icglink.com
615.370.1530 x737
--------------//--------->
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