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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242005
Yep I still use CF Studio 5 for my development and I'm not ashamed to
admit that I love it as an editor. It does exactly what I need and in
the way I need it...except...it doesn't have the latest tag updates for
tag insight, "edit current tag" option or the docs.
Anyone know if there's an update to that?
Rey...
Author: Chad Gray
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242015
There was a tag update for Studio 5.0 when CF 6 came out, but I have not seen
them for the latest versions of CF. Of course I have not looked either.
I was using CF Studio 4.5 for the longest time then switched to Homesite.
If you like Studio then give Homesite a shot. It is really close to CF Studio.
I think it comes with the purchase of CF now or dreamweaver...
Side note: I am really impressed with MS Visual Studio 2005. Great little editor
I use it for XML and other stuff.
Yep I still use CF Studio 5 for my development and I'm not ashamed to
admit that I love it as an editor. It does exactly what I need and in
the way I need it...except...it doesn't have the latest tag updates for
tag insight, "edit current tag" option or the docs.
Anyone know if there's an update to that?
Rey...
Author: Tom Chiverton
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242017
> MS Visual Studio 2005. Great little
> editor I use it for XML
throw(type="Overkill.NotLittle");
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Tom Chiverton
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242019
Rey,
I'm witchu. Why change if you don't have to. I use Homesite 5.5 (or is it
+). Can't remember. All I know is every time I try to switch to Eclipse it
lacks several of the very things that I love most about Homesite. I have
attached the CF tag updates for Homesite. Not sure if they will work for
studio, but it might.
http://www.bennadel.com/resources/public/hsplus_extensions_for_cfmx7.zip
Just in case any one gets all touchy, these are not my files, I did not
write them, and I am sorry if I have put them somewhere for public use
without permissions.
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
Yep I still use CF Studio 5 for my development and I'm not ashamed to admit
that I love it as an editor. It does exactly what I need and in the way I
need it...except...it doesn't have the latest tag updates for tag insight,
"edit current tag" option or the docs.
Anyone know if there's an update to that?
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242020
Thanks for the feedback Chad. I've used Homesite 5.5+ as well and its
virtually identical to CF Studio. I just don't have a copy of it and
didn't want to have to buy it when I already had CF Studio. I'll see if
I can dig up a copy somewhere. I really would like to stick to CF STudio
or Homesite if possible since its just so darn intuitive. I've tried
Dreamweaver and I just don't dig it.
Rey...
Chad Gray wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242023
Wow! You come through again for me Ben! You da man.
Rey...
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242026
Always a pleasure.
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
Wow! You come through again for me Ben! You da man.
Rey...
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242033
Worked like a charm man!!
CF Studio 5 lives!!!
Rey...
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242043
I'm right there with you. I really, really like CFEclipse, but it's just
missing a couple little things that keep me on HS+. I've even gotten to
where I do all of my PHP in HS+ too. And ah what I wouldn't give for an
HS+ version that would run on a mac. I have to either use Eclipse, or
run VirtualPC just to work from home.
******************************
Ken Ferguson
214.636.6126
kferguson@812inc.com
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Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242044
> Thanks for the feedback Chad. I've used Homesite 5.5+ as well and its
> virtually identical to CF Studio. I just don't have a copy of it and
> didn't want to have to buy it when I already had CF Studio.
Do you have a copy of the Dreamweaver CD? HomeSite+ is on that.
For the record, I prefer CFEclipse. I really think a lot of people are
going to be converted when they make the next release. Mark Drew has
put a lot of work into porting HomeSite/CF Studio features to CFEclipse.
And there are some cool features that HS/CFS don't have.
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242045
Here is the stuff that is holding me back... And please, someone let me know
if this can be done in Eclipse and I just can't figure it out:
1. The large box for extended search/replace.
2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the dreamweaveresque
view of everything one left in one loooooooong window.
3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included template"...
HUGELY awesome.
4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs of homesite (not
sure if eclipse can do this).
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
I'm right there with you. I really, really like CFEclipse, but it's just
missing a couple little things that keep me on HS+. I've even gotten to
where I do all of my PHP in HS+ too. And ah what I wouldn't give for an
HS+ version that would run on a mac. I have to either use Eclipse, or
run VirtualPC just to work from home.
******************************
Ken Ferguson
214.636.6126
kferguson@812inc.com
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Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242047
Yep, I'll join you guys in saying that there's just something about
CFEclipse that isn't quite there. It could just be that I've developed
in CF Studio for so long that I'm just used to it but I know that when I
tried CFEclipse out (since everyone was making a big hoopla about it) it
just didn't feel right.
I'm hoping that Jacob is right in that the next release will make a
ocnverter out of me.
Rey...
Admitted CF Studio Lover
Ken Ferguson wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242048
> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> 2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the
> dreamweaveresque
> view of everything one left in one loooooooong window.
> 3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included
> template"...
> HUGELY awesome.
I don't believe any of those three are available in CFEclipse, and I
agree with #1. But I just pop open HomeSite to do those kind of
find/replaces. :) I've heard rumors that the find/replace boxes will
be improved in the next release of CFEclipse, but I haven't tried the
nightly to check on this.
> 4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs
> of homesite (not
> sure if eclipse can do this).
You can do this. By default the keys are CTRL+PageUp/CTRL+PageDown, but
I'm almost positive you can change this.
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242049
Cool, yeah I gotta learn more about the customization of key strokes. I hate
going to the mouse.
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Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> 2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the
> dreamweaveresque view of everything one left in one loooooooong
> window.
> 3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included
> template"...
> HUGELY awesome.
I don't believe any of those three are available in CFEclipse, and I agree
with #1. But I just pop open HomeSite to do those kind of find/replaces.
:) I've heard rumors that the find/replace boxes will be improved in the
next release of CFEclipse, but I haven't tried the nightly to check on this.
> 4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs of
> homesite (not sure if eclipse can do this).
You can do this. By default the keys are CTRL+PageUp/CTRL+PageDown, but I'm
almost positive you can change this.
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242054
> Cool, yeah I gotta learn more about the customization of key
> strokes. I hate
> going to the mouse.
I will say that I've had difficulties changing the shortcut keys in the
past. There's a new version of Eclipse on the horizon, so I'm hoping
this will be better. But I had the devil of a time trying to get a
change I made to stick, and I can't remember what I did. I think I had
to delete the original setting and create a new one from scratch (for
the particular command I wanted to change).
The biggest reason I like using Eclipse is because I can do all of this
in one IDE: ColdFusion, Perl, XML, JavaScript, and DB management
(although the latter is kind of weak compared to proprietary DB tools).
And that's just the stuff I need, there are multitudes of other plugins
out there for just about whatever you might want need program.
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242071
" Side note: I am really impressed with MS Visual Studio 2005. Great little
editor I use it for XML and other stuff. "
Yeah I bet its cf stuff ROCKS!!
~Dave the disruptor~
There was a tag update for Studio 5.0 when CF 6 came out, but I have not seen
them for the latest versions of CF. Of course I have not looked either.
I was using CF Studio 4.5 for the longest time then switched to Homesite.
If you like Studio then give Homesite a shot. It is really close to CF Studio. I
think it comes with the purchase of CF now or dreamweaver...
Side note: I am really impressed with MS Visual Studio 2005. Great little editor
I use it for XML and other stuff.
Yep I still use CF Studio 5 for my development and I'm not ashamed to
admit that I love it as an editor. It does exactly what I need and in
the way I need it...except...it doesn't have the latest tag updates for
tag insight, "edit current tag" option or the docs.
Anyone know if there's an update to that?
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242073
If I was you I would start getting used to eclipse.
If eclipse had better css, visual and ftp support it would be the next
cfstudio.... easily
For god's sake cfstudio is as old as Will underpants, you gotta let go of it
sometime and move on.
Most people on here don't "dig" dw but it's more like they are used to what they
got and it's hard to let an old friend go to hang out the your newer younger
friend.
~Dave the disruptor~
Thanks for the feedback Chad. I've used Homesite 5.5+ as well and its
virtually identical to CF Studio. I just don't have a copy of it and
didn't want to have to buy it when I already had CF Studio. I'll see if
I can dig up a copy somewhere. I really would like to stick to CF STudio
or Homesite if possible since its just so darn intuitive. I've tried
Dreamweaver and I just don't dig it.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242075
This is the same reason IE lives, ppl just need to learn to let things go and
move onto new better things.;)~
~Dave the disruptor~
Worked like a charm man!!
CF Studio 5 lives!!!
Rey...
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242076
on a mac in dw you can move the panes anywhere you want them on a pc you can
choose the older "hs coder view" instead of designer view and its more like hs
is.
~Dave the disruptor~
Here is the stuff that is holding me back... And please, someone let me know
if this can be done in Eclipse and I just can't figure it out:
1. The large box for extended search/replace.
2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the dreamweaveresque
view of everything one left in one loooooooong window.
3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included template"...
HUGELY awesome.
4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs of homesite (not
sure if eclipse can do this).
.......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
I'm right there with you. I really, really like CFEclipse, but it's just
missing a couple little things that keep me on HS+. I've even gotten to
where I do all of my PHP in HS+ too. And ah what I wouldn't give for an
HS+ version that would run on a mac. I have to either use Eclipse, or
run VirtualPC just to work from home.
******************************
Ken Ferguson
214.636.6126
kferguson@812inc.com
******************************
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242077
> Most people on here don't "dig" dw but it's more like they
> are used to what they got and it's hard to let an old friend
> go to hang out the your newer younger friend.
I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few
weeks and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really
find out if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I
couldn't live without, and I found that it often could. I've now been
using CFE as my default IDE for well over a year.
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242080
It may worry the hell out of my wife sometimes, but I've certainly never
had a problem giving up older for younger and newer! I don't, however,
think that this has anything to do with using cfstudio or HS+. HS+ is
simply the best thing out there in a lot of our opinions. It doesn't bog
the whole world down like DW always does and CFE seems to sometimes do.
It doesn't ever crash or die and it does everything a good, strong,
non-wysiwyg type of developer could ever need it to do. It's just got no
real downside that I've ever been able to find. I don't ever find myself
wishing it had this feature or that one or wishing it could do something
else...
--Ferg
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242081
I have a usage question... In my file system I have it organized by company
like:
Company
- Site_v1
- Site_v2
- Intranet_v1
Now, I assume that I would make projects that link to those directories, but
should I Make "Company" a project since it really isnt? But if I do it the
other way, then I would have like 10 projects names "site_v1" at the same
level?
Suggestions?
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
> Most people on here don't "dig" dw but it's more like they are used to
> what they got and it's hard to let an old friend go to hang out the
> your newer younger friend.
I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself that
I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few weeks and
then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really find out if
CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I couldn't live without,
and I found that it often could. I've now been using CFE as my default IDE
for well over a year.
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242082
> I don't ever find myself wishing it had this feature or
> that one or wishing it could do something else...
I found myself wishing I could have one IDE (not an editor, an IDE) to
do all my coding. One day I looked down at my task bar and saw a bunch
of different editors/IDEs open, and that's when I finally decided to
take the plunge towards Eclipse. I do agree that it's kind of a
resource hog though, but so are all of the other IDE's I've used. And
when you are combining 5 different programs into one, you might even be
saving resources.
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242083
I have to agree. I have yet to see a compelling reason for me to switch
to CFE. I used HS, then CFS, then HS+ for years. Only last fall, I
decided to switch to DW8 just to see how it has been improved. Yes,
there is some bloat, but the best damn feature, in my opinion, is when
you type a "</" and DW will smartly close the inner-most open tag.
I did give CFE a try a while back. My first impression was "HS and DW
don't require me to install a JRE just to run the program." Sorry, but
I just haven't yet caught on to the Java-based, open-everywhere platform
that is Eclipse. But don't judge me by my choice of editor. I just
don't have the same requirements as the majority of people that use CFE.
And, personally, I like having separate tools that concentrate on
particular tasks. I like HS+, TopStyle and FeedDemon, just because of
this.
Heck, why not have a Photoshop plug-in for Eclipse?
I will add that I think the CFE project and development teams have done
an outstanding job, but CFE is just not for me at this time and I am not
embarrassed to admit it.
M!ke
It may worry the hell out of my wife sometimes, but I've certainly never
had a problem giving up older for younger and newer! I don't, however,
think that this has anything to do with using cfstudio or HS+. HS+ is
simply the best thing out there in a lot of our opinions. It doesn't bog
the whole world down like DW always does and CFE seems to sometimes do.
It doesn't ever crash or die and it does everything a good, strong,
non-wysiwyg type of developer could ever need it to do. It's just got no
real downside that I've ever been able to find. I don't ever find myself
wishing it had this feature or that one or wishing it could do something
else...
--Ferg
Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242084
You're talking about CFEclipse, right?
You can't have a project inside a project. So you couldn't have one for
Company and then ones for each site, unless the sub projects don't live
under the company folder in your file system. This has been an
annoyance for me, but I've learned to live with it. Or maybe someone
else knows a way around this.
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242086
This is actually one of the problems I had initially with CFE and with
DW too. I was able to find out how to get around them and get better
views, but it's just so irritating that they want things to be in a
project and what not. The way HS+ just has the explorer panes with
directories over files is so incredibly cool. It's the easiest thing in
the world to work with and it just consistently stays the hell out of
the way. And when you get right down to it, that's what I want most out
of an application, is to stay out of the way and let me work.
--Ferg
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242087
and in your own way you are right but at some point you are going to have to let
it go and move on and as I hear it the next cfm will be built around eclipse the
same way flex is now (as the ide) and seeing how Adobe has already started
release tags for it that it just might be the case.
You can use whatever you want of course but to me its better to start going with
the flow and getting used to it now rather than being forced to later. Do you
think hs is gunna run on vista?
~Dave the disruptor~
I have to agree. I have yet to see a compelling reason for me to switch
to CFE. I used HS, then CFS, then HS+ for years. Only last fall, I
decided to switch to DW8 just to see how it has been improved. Yes,
there is some bloat, but the best damn feature, in my opinion, is when
you type a "
I did give CFE a try a while back. My first impression was "HS and DW
don't require me to install a JRE just to run the program." Sorry, but
I just haven't yet caught on to the Java-based, open-everywhere platform
that is Eclipse. But don't judge me by my choice of editor. I just
don't have the same requirements as the majority of people that use CFE.
And, personally, I like having separate tools that concentrate on
particular tasks. I like HS+, TopStyle and FeedDemon, just because of
this.
Heck, why not have a Photoshop plug-in for Eclipse?
I will add that I think the CFE project and development teams have done
an outstanding job, but CFE is just not for me at this time and I am not
embarrassed to admit it.
M!ke
It may worry the hell out of my wife sometimes, but I've certainly never
had a problem giving up older for younger and newer! I don't, however,
think that this has anything to do with using cfstudio or HS+. HS+ is
simply the best thing out there in a lot of our opinions. It doesn't bog
the whole world down like DW always does and CFE seems to sometimes do.
It doesn't ever crash or die and it does everything a good, strong,
non-wysiwyg type of developer could ever need it to do. It's just got no
real downside that I've ever been able to find. I don't ever find myself
wishing it had this feature or that one or wishing it could do something
else...
--Ferg
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242089
on my macbook pro eclipse launches in about 3-5 seconds and i can't really tell
any performance hit all.
mbp 15" 2.16 ghz 2gb ram
For just having 1 editor I still think dw is hard to beat and it seems most
peoples complaints are its a system hog yet most of them run norton which is even
more of a system hog, so here is a suggestion... get rid of norton and get
something good with a small foot print like bitdefender and add a bit more ram if
it's too much of a system hog.
When you got hs and topstyle and this and that all opened you are probably using
more system resources that if you just have dw open.
~Dave the disruptor~
> I don't ever find myself wishing it had this feature or
> that one or wishing it could do something else...
I found myself wishing I could have one IDE (not an editor, an IDE) to
do all my coding. One day I looked down at my task bar and saw a bunch
of different editors/IDEs open, and that's when I finally decided to
take the plunge towards Eclipse. I do agree that it's kind of a
resource hog though, but so are all of the other IDE's I've used. And
when you are combining 5 different programs into one, you might even be
saving resources.
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" I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few
weeks and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really
find out if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I
couldn't live without, and I found that it often could. I've now been
using CFE as my default IDE for well over a year. "
Remember back when dw mx came out and we had these same discussions on here and
the same things were said then, once they forced themselfs to use it for a week
most didnt want to go back.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242091
I can understand moving to CFEclipse over homesite, but I have never felt
that DW offered anything over Homesite (in the way that I use it).
All this talk has made me want to give it another shot (with Eclipse) ....
Again
Does anyone know if there is a plugin that will allow me to create a split
directory view like Homesite/studio where the directory is on the top, files
on the bottom? I find it a much more efficient way to navigate.
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
" I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few weeks
and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really find out
if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I couldn't live
without, and I found that it often could. I've now been using CFE as my
default IDE for well over a year. "
Remember back when dw mx came out and we had these same discussions on here
and the same things were said then, once they forced themselfs to use it for
a week most didnt want to go back.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Peterson, Chris
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242092
For my $.02, go and download the latest Flex beta 3 from here:
http://labs.adobe.com/flexproductline/
Add InterAkt's site to add JsEclipse support (very nice .js editor with
tag insight and night highlighting, and free):
http://www.interaktonline.com
Add in CFEclipse's update site http://www.cfeclipse.org/update and
install the latest cfeclipse.
I have been using the Adobe flex builder now since Beta1, and I like it
a lot better than the vanilla Eclipse install. Plus, I can tool around
with Flex, which is totally awesome too.
Have fun!
Chris
I can understand moving to CFEclipse over homesite, but I have never
felt that DW offered anything over Homesite (in the way that I use it).
All this talk has made me want to give it another shot (with Eclipse)
....
Again
Does anyone know if there is a plugin that will allow me to create a
split directory view like Homesite/studio where the directory is on the
top, files on the bottom? I find it a much more efficient way to
navigate.
.......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
" I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few
weeks and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really
find out if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I
couldn't live without, and I found that it often could. I've now been
using CFE as my default IDE for well over a year. "
Remember back when dw mx came out and we had these same discussions on
here and the same things were said then, once they forced themselfs to
use it for a week most didnt want to go back.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242094
"When you got hs and topstyle and this and that all opened you are probably using
more system resources that if you just have dw open."
I agree, for people who use several programs. But there's the kicker, I
don't use all that other crap. I open HS and I do my work. I'm not one
for using topstyle; I know how to write css. I'm not one for using some
js or php specific IDE, I know how to write them. My whole point is that
I don't want things like that open whether it's several programs or one
monster that tries to be all things. I'm not trying to talk anyone out
of using DW or CFE. They're both great, for what they are. I'm just
saying that there's no need to ditch HS just because there are newer
IDEs out there.
--Ferg
dave wrote:
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242096
Can you be sure that Java will run on Vista?
:D
and in your own way you are right but at some point you are going to
have to let it go and move on and as I hear it the next cfm will be
built around eclipse the same way flex is now (as the ide) and seeing
how Adobe has already started release tags for it that it just might be
the case.
You can use whatever you want of course but to me its better to start
going with the flow and getting used to it now rather than being forced
to later. Do you think hs is gunna run on vista?
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242097
Well said. Also, as Dave mentioned, there probably will be a time when
I am forced to switch, but that doesn't mean that CFE will be my only
choice.
M!ke
"When you got hs and topstyle and this and that all opened you are
probably using more system resources that if you just have dw open."
I agree, for people who use several programs. But there's the kicker, I
don't use all that other crap. I open HS and I do my work. I'm not one
for using topstyle; I know how to write css. I'm not one for using some
js or php specific IDE, I know how to write them. My whole point is that
I don't want things like that open whether it's several programs or one
monster that tries to be all things. I'm not trying to talk anyone out
of using DW or CFE. They're both great, for what they are. I'm just
saying that there's no need to ditch HS just because there are newer
IDEs out there.
--Ferg
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242100
im not so sure anything will run on vista or that vista will even run
~Dave the disruptor~
Can you be sure that Java will run on Vista?
:D
and in your own way you are right but at some point you are going to
have to let it go and move on and as I hear it the next cfm will be
built around eclipse the same way flex is now (as the ide) and seeing
how Adobe has already started release tags for it that it just might be
the case.
You can use whatever you want of course but to me its better to start
going with the flow and getting used to it now rather than being forced
to later. Do you think hs is gunna run on vista?
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Steve Brownlee
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242101
>> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
Exist in limited fashion in Eclipse. Only capable of doing single line
extended search/replace.
>> 2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the
dreamweaveresque view of everything one left in one loooooooong window.
Does exist in CFEclipse. It's the File Explorer view.
>> 3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included
template"...
Doesn't exist.
4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs of homesite
(not sure if eclipse can do this).
>> Does exist in Eclipse. Customizable to any keystroke.
Now if I wanted to spend the time to go over all of the features that
Eclipse/CFEclipse has over clunky old HS or Studio, I'd be here all day.
If these are the only features holding you back, I'd urge you to
re-evaluate Eclipse once again.
Steve "The Boss" Brownlee
http://www.orbwave.com/cfjboss
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242102
No it doesnt but it just seems like a lot of people and companies are getting
behind the eclipse project and that's were we are headed.
Personally I am not yet thrilled with eclipse since I do a lot of css-p stuff and
dw rocks over eclipse there and I am used to dw's ftp where it uploads on save
and I am perfectly happy with dw but I can see the change coming so I am working
it in now. Plus the cfc stuff in cfe is really nice, im sure sometime soon we'll
have model-glue and this and that with plugins and it will make us more
efficiant.
We are in a business that moves forward on a daily basis and I personally think
if you stay sitting and comfy with old tools you will be left behind. Of course
that depends on your individual job but you never know.
~Dave the disruptor~
Well said. Also, as Dave mentioned, there probably will be a time when
I am forced to switch, but that doesn't mean that CFE will be my only
choice.
M!ke
"When you got hs and topstyle and this and that all opened you are
probably using more system resources that if you just have dw open."
I agree, for people who use several programs. But there's the kicker, I
don't use all that other crap. I open HS and I do my work. I'm not one
for using topstyle; I know how to write css. I'm not one for using some
js or php specific IDE, I know how to write them. My whole point is that
I don't want things like that open whether it's several programs or one
monster that tries to be all things. I'm not trying to talk anyone out
of using DW or CFE. They're both great, for what they are. I'm just
saying that there's no need to ditch HS just because there are newer
IDEs out there.
--Ferg
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242103
Actually, and I'm not being a smartass when I say this, I'd very much
like for you to tell me some of the features CFE has over HS that are
worthwhile. I don't use Flex, so that plugin's got no pull for me. I
would like to know though, what features CFE has that would make my
development life easier. Because like I said, I've used it and still use
it at home when I can't be bothered to run VirtualPC, but I've never
found anything in it that would lead me to think it was substantially
better or made me feel like I was missing something when I went back to
HS. I'm open minded though; you give me some things I've missed that
seem like they're gonna make my life a lot easier and I'll be in there.
--Ferg
Steve Brownlee wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242104
I have used CFEclipse for some time and I just don't like it...it's not very
intuitive and I don't like how it forces you into a file system of it's
choosing...I don't like it on DW...though at least their files system is a
bit more friendly. I started using it at work when DW wouldn't properly
save files and we had to actually open he files in notepad then save them
again to get the web server to recognize them...not sure what DW was doing
to them. I just don't like the set up or the interface. It is a very
clumsy and non-intuitive interface. I could do without the tag editors that
DW has, though they are a time saver...especially with tags that I don't use
very often. It's just lacking. The only thing it has going for it is that
it is free.
DW is a hog...that is for sure...I have more than enough memory and cpu real
estate. I still think it takes too long to load and save files, plus some
of the other quirks that develop from time to time do get on my nerves.
It's no wonder though, since Dreamweaver was originally designed for Mac
users and not for programmers. I want Cold Fusion Studio back. That was
the best tool ever designed for CF development.
Eric
" I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few weeks
and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really find out
if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I couldn't live
without, and I found that it often could. I've now been using CFE as my
default IDE for well over a year. "
Remember back when dw mx came out and we had these same discussions on here
and the same things were said then, once they forced themselfs to use it for
a week most didnt want to go back.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242106
New and better don't necessarily go hand in hand...
Eric
This is the same reason IE lives, ppl just need to learn to let things go
and move onto new better things.;)~
~Dave the disruptor~
Worked like a charm man!!
CF Studio 5 lives!!!
Rey...
Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242107
Well you're in luck then Eric, because HS+, for all intents and
purposes, IS CF Studio.
--Ferg
Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242110
Or adapt and improvise. I just don't like the CFE experience at this
moment and as Ken said, I find that CFStudio & Homesite+ do EVERYTHING
that I need and does it VERY well.
If I need to switch to another IDE tomorrow because of a product
upgrade, a new product or a new OS, then I'll tackle it when I get
there. I just don't believe in following the crowd just because
everyone's heading in a specific direction; especially if there isn't a
VERY compelling reason to do so. Very lemming-like to me. ;)
Rey...
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242111
Yep :o)
Ken Ferguson wrote:
> Well you're in luck then Eric, because HS+, for all intents and
> purposes, IS CF Studio.
>
> --Ferg
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242116
I've been using CFEclipse for a while... It's not as good as Homesite+ or CF
Studio by itself. It's missing the integrated help (although it gives you
link to online docs, they're kind of slow).
However, once you pair it with Subcslipse (assuming you use subversion,
which you should), it's awesome. It becomes a real IDE, where I can make
changes to the code base, deploy changes, merge changes from different
branches, etc).
So if you're just developing a small site without any sort of version
control, then Homesite+ or Dreamweaver might work better for you, but if
you're serious about development and want integration with subversion, then
CFEclipse is the best editor for you.
Just my $0.02.
Russ
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Author: Steve Brownlee
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242119
I don't think it's lemming like at all - the move of many people to
Eclipse. It certainly wasn't for me (and I was a very early adopter)
and the others here I convinced to switch. I was resisted on every
front, for the same reasons people have said on this thread.
"I have to learn all new keyboard commands."
"CF Studio does everything I need."
"I don't like Eclipe's layout. I'm confused."
"It takes 10 seconds to load instead of my normal 3 seconds for Studio."
However, developers here have to do more than just write CFML. They
write complex queries, coordinate source control efforts, apply CSS, ANT
tasks, Javascript and even some Java. If this isn't your schtick, then
keep on grinding with Studio. It was a great editor. However, once
they tried it for about 2 weeks, learned all the features and got
comfortable with how it worked, they all claimed they would never go
back to Studio.
Like some others said on this list, they had 5 or 6 programs open at a
time to handle all these tasks. Being able to do everything in one app
is a huge time saver.
Studio is perfect for people who crank out CFML 8 hours a day. If you
have to juggle multiple tasks, then Eclipse is the way to go.
- Steve
Or adapt and improvise. I just don't like the CFE experience at this
moment and as Ken said, I find that CFStudio & Homesite+ do EVERYTHING
that I need and does it VERY well.
If I need to switch to another IDE tomorrow because of a product
upgrade, a new product or a new OS, then I'll tackle it when I get
there. I just don't believe in following the crowd just because
everyone's heading in a specific direction; especially if there isn't a
VERY compelling reason to do so. Very lemming-like to me. ;)
Rey...
dave wrote:
Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242120
> >> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> Exist in limited fashion in Eclipse. Only capable of doing
> single line
> extended search/replace.
And you can use regex as part of your search query, which should cover
the multi-line stuff, but that's a pain in the %$# compared to HS. But
like I said before, I use CFE and just pop open HS when I need to do a
complex find/replace.
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Author: Steve Brownlee
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Here, here. Doing multiple line regex patterns is a nightmare
sometimes.
> >> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> Exist in limited fashion in Eclipse. Only capable of doing single
> line extended search/replace.
And you can use regex as part of your search query, which should cover
the multi-line stuff, but that's a pain in the %$# compared to HS. But
like I said before, I use CFE and just pop open HS when I need to do a
complex find/replace.
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Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242122
Of course, you don't need CFE to use subversion in your IDE. I believe
you can use TortoiseSVN and all the Explorer TortoiseSVN right-click
options are there in the directory pane.
--Ferg
Russ wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242123
Hi Steve,
> I don't think it's lemming like at all - the move of many people to
It is lemming like if you do it just because everyone is doing it. I
just don't automatically buy into something simply because someone says:
"If I was you I would start getting used to eclipse." (sorry Dave) ;)
Give me a good justification and I'm willing to listen. Your
justification, though, was much better than Dave's so I can see your
points and your rationale for switching.
> Studio is perfect for people who crank out CFML 8 hours a day. If you
> have to juggle multiple tasks, then Eclipse is the way to go.
I'll have to take a look at it further but for the moment, back to
cranking CFML. ;)
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242124
> you're serious about development and want integration with subversion, then
> CFEclipse is the best editor for you.
Sorry, I didn't realize that people developing small sites weren't
serious about development. ;)
Rey...
Author: Chad Gray
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242125
Ya I really like HS's find/replace.
I use it all the time to format lists and data real quick. Search for CR/LF
replace with comma and vice-versa.... love that.
Take FORM fields out of the CF debugging and use find/replace to create my
update/insert CFQuery structures.
> >> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> Exist in limited fashion in Eclipse. Only capable of doing
> single line
> extended search/replace.
And you can use regex as part of your search query, which should cover
the multi-line stuff, but that's a pain in the %$# compared to HS. But
like I said before, I use CFE and just pop open HS when I need to do a
complex find/replace.
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You sure can. Oh wait, I'm not doing serious development!! ;)
Rey...
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242127
Thats fine but I hate to tell y'all that cf studio is gone and it aint comin
back.....
And all this dw is such a hog... you know really its not, here is a screenshot of
my activities http://www.jamwerx.com/dwhog.png
dw is taking up barely anymore than firefox and eclipse runs at about half of dw,
this is on a mac but still, if you have a half way decent puter from the last few
years (not from when cfstudio came out) then it isnt too bad. Hell even my old
mac mini ran it just fine.
And the rest of your problems are in the settings.
Use cfstudio, more power to ya.
~Dave the disruptor~
I have used CFEclipse for some time and I just don't like it...it's not very
intuitive and I don't like how it forces you into a file system of it's
choosing...I don't like it on DW...though at least their files system is a
bit more friendly. I started using it at work when DW wouldn't properly
save files and we had to actually open he files in notepad then save them
again to get the web server to recognize them...not sure what DW was doing
to them. I just don't like the set up or the interface. It is a very
clumsy and non-intuitive interface. I could do without the tag editors that
DW has, though they are a time saver...especially with tags that I don't use
very often. It's just lacking. The only thing it has going for it is that
it is free.
DW is a hog...that is for sure...I have more than enough memory and cpu real
estate. I still think it takes too long to load and save files, plus some
of the other quirks that develop from time to time do get on my nerves.
It's no wonder though, since Dreamweaver was originally designed for Mac
users and not for programmers. I want Cold Fusion Studio back. That was
the best tool ever designed for CF development.
Eric
" I agree. I tried CFEclipse once and bagged it, but later I told myself
that I was just making excuses. I forced myself to use it for a few weeks
and then I didn't want to go back. Plus, that forced me to really find out
if CFEclipse could do the things I kept telling myself I couldn't live
without, and I found that it often could. I've now been using CFE as my
default IDE for well over a year. "
Remember back when dw mx came out and we had these same discussions on here
and the same things were said then, once they forced themselfs to use it for
a week most didnt want to go back.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242128
Yes, you can use Tortoise, but I believe Eclipse does a lot of caching as to
what files have changed in your workspace, and it makes branching and
merging much easier...
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242129
> Does anyone know if there is a plugin that will allow me to
> create a split
> directory view like Homesite/studio where the directory is on
> the top, files
> on the bottom? I find it a much more efficient way to navigate.
Yeah, I forgot about the Explorer view. I never use it. ;) But to
open it you click Window->Show View, and if it's not in that list choose
Other and then it should be under CFML.
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242130
On the other hand, EClipse's searches are MUCH faster. I can do a search
throught 15000 files in about 10 seconds. I believe eclipse builds some
kind of index of your workspace allowing for faster searches.
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Author: Steve Brownlee
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242132
1/2 GB of memory for Firefox?? Guess all those pr0n pics and movies
suck up the memory, eh? :)
(sorry for OT)
Thats fine but I hate to tell y'all that cf studio is gone and it aint
comin back.....
And all this dw is such a hog... you know really its not, here is a
screenshot of my activities http://www.jamwerx.com/dwhog.png
dw is taking up barely anymore than firefox and eclipse runs at about
half of dw, this is on a mac but still, if you have a half way decent
puter from the last few years (not from when cfstudio came out) then it
isnt too bad. Hell even my old mac mini ran it just fine.
And the rest of your problems are in the settings.
Use cfstudio, more power to ya.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Steve Brownlee
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242133
Yep, first pass search/replace takes a bit, but once indexed it flies.
On the other hand, EClipse's searches are MUCH faster. I can do a
search throught 15000 files in about 10 seconds. I believe eclipse
builds some kind of index of your workspace allowing for faster
searches.
> Here, here. Doing multiple line regex patterns is a nightmare
> sometimes.
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242134
im not doing it because everyone is doing it, im doing because I can see where
all this is heading and if you cant see that then there really is nothing i can
say to change that, its kinda like staying on cfm 4.5 and not getting all the new
goodies of cfmx 7.
But why I even said anything anyways is because we always have discussions like
this on here where the old dogs wont learn new tricks and then when its not
supported or discontinued then the world comes to and end and blah blah. Hell I
probably would have loved cfstudio but its also 2006 not 2000 and as a business
man I know better than to stay old school.
Like I said use what you want and someday soon I will sit back and watch ya
scrambling, since i am on a mac cfstudio is nothing to me.
~Dave the disruptor~
Hi Steve,
> I don't think it's lemming like at all - the move of many people to
It is lemming like if you do it just because everyone is doing it. I
just don't automatically buy into something simply because someone says:
"If I was you I would start getting used to eclipse." (sorry Dave) ;)
Give me a good justification and I'm willing to listen. Your
justification, though, was much better than Dave's so I can see your
points and your rationale for switching.
> Studio is perfect for people who crank out CFML 8 hours a day. If you
> have to juggle multiple tasks, then Eclipse is the way to go.
I'll have to take a look at it further but for the moment, back to
cranking CFML. ;)
Rey...
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242135
What I meant by serious we development is enterprise level stuff... How many
sites do you manage that have over 10k templates? It's almost impossible to
work with using Tortoise, but acceptable in CFEclipse.
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242136
Ah, so if we're not managing several thousand pages, then we're still
not doing serious development. hmm.
LOL! I'm just messing with you Russ. I know what you mean. ;)
Rey...
Russ wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242137
> Actually, and I'm not being a smartass when I say this, I'd very much
> like for you to tell me some of the features CFE has over HS that are
> worthwhile.
I haven't used HS for quite a while, so correct me if any of these are
there as well. But Here are a few things I like about CFE, besides what
I've already mentioned.
1. SQL code highlighting
2. Todo list--Just add <---! Todo:{your todo title} ---> anywhere in
your code and you get a new todo item in the todo view. If you click
this item later from the todo panel it will open up the correct file and
drop you down to the correct spot on the page.
3. Version control--Eclipse has basic version control built-in. Do you
need to go back after a few hours of coding? No problem, just find the
correct version from the history and restore it
4. Working sets--group similar files into a set for later use, which
makes it easier to interface with them later (all other files are
hidden)
5. Scratch pad--if you need to quickly test some code, hit F11 (or
whatever you map it to) which loads a cfm file, then view the results in
the internal browser
6. Snippets--You can have complex code snippets at your fingertips,
just hit a shortcut and it will drop the code in. It will even ask you
for parameters (Ex. a query name)
7. There is a plugin that lets you view the CF logs right from the CFE
IDE
8. There is an Outline and a Methods view that gives you quick easy
access to your document structure, where you can click and jump to the
right section
9. It's open source--community driven, rapid support and quick
releases, and it costs $0
10. Adobe now supports CFEclipse as the standard CFML editor for coders
(not designers). In fact, did you know that Sean Cornfield is the
project manager for CFE?
Again, if you know that HS does any of the above, feel free to correct
me. I know it does snippets, but I'm not sure if they are as powerful
as CFE.
Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation, and Adobe is
putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from
Flex, but it's supposed to cover CF).
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242138
half a gb? 116.10 mb is half a gb?
hopefully you just read it wrong.
oh i see what you are looking at, no the only thing in ff was smartermail. Macs
use up all you available memory and release it when other apps need it so its
faster, its not like a pc. Look at ichat at 400mb
~Dave the disruptor~
1/2 GB of memory for Firefox?? Guess all those pr0n pics and movies
suck up the memory, eh? :)
(sorry for OT)
Thats fine but I hate to tell y'all that cf studio is gone and it aint
comin back.....
And all this dw is such a hog... you know really its not, here is a
screenshot of my activities http://www.jamwerx.com/dwhog.png
dw is taking up barely anymore than firefox and eclipse runs at about
half of dw, this is on a mac but still, if you have a half way decent
puter from the last few years (not from when cfstudio came out) then it
isnt too bad. Hell even my old mac mini ran it just fine.
And the rest of your problems are in the settings.
Use cfstudio, more power to ya.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242139
not only that but if you do anything besides just cfml code (css, xhtml, xml,
etc..)
~Dave the disruptor~
What I meant by serious we development is enterprise level stuff... How many
sites do you manage that have over 10k templates? It's almost impossible to
work with using Tortoise, but acceptable in CFEclipse.
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242140
" Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation, and Adobe is
putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from
Flex, but it's supposed to cover CF). "
isnt that already out
~Dave the disruptor~
> Actually, and I'm not being a smartass when I say this, I'd very much
> like for you to tell me some of the features CFE has over HS that are
> worthwhile.
I haven't used HS for quite a while, so correct me if any of these are
there as well. But Here are a few things I like about CFE, besides what
I've already mentioned.
1. SQL code highlighting
2. Todo list--Just add <---! Todo:{your todo title} ---> anywhere in
your code and you get a new todo item in the todo view. If you click
this item later from the todo panel it will open up the correct file and
drop you down to the correct spot on the page.
3. Version control--Eclipse has basic version control built-in. Do you
need to go back after a few hours of coding? No problem, just find the
correct version from the history and restore it
4. Working sets--group similar files into a set for later use, which
makes it easier to interface with them later (all other files are
hidden)
5. Scratch pad--if you need to quickly test some code, hit F11 (or
whatever you map it to) which loads a cfm file, then view the results in
the internal browser
6. Snippets--You can have complex code snippets at your fingertips,
just hit a shortcut and it will drop the code in. It will even ask you
for parameters (Ex. a query name)
7. There is a plugin that lets you view the CF logs right from the CFE
IDE
8. There is an Outline and a Methods view that gives you quick easy
access to your document structure, where you can click and jump to the
right section
9. It's open source--community driven, rapid support and quick
releases, and it costs $0
10. Adobe now supports CFEclipse as the standard CFML editor for coders
(not designers). In fact, did you know that Sean Cornfield is the
project manager for CFE?
Again, if you know that HS does any of the above, feel free to correct
me. I know it does snippets, but I'm not sure if they are as powerful
as CFE.
Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation, and Adobe is
putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from
Flex, but it's supposed to cover CF).
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Author: Steve Brownlee
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242141
Hm, I like it. It's kinda how I hoard all of the cookies in my house
and only make them available to the rest of the family if they really
need one.
half a gb? 116.10 mb is half a gb?
hopefully you just read it wrong.
oh i see what you are looking at, no the only thing in ff was
smartermail. Macs use up all you available memory and release it when
other apps need it so its faster, its not like a pc. Look at ichat at
400mb
~Dave the disruptor~
1/2 GB of memory for Firefox?? Guess all those pr0n pics and movies suck
up the memory, eh? :)
(sorry for OT)
Thats fine but I hate to tell y'all that cf studio is gone and it aint
comin back.....
And all this dw is such a hog... you know really its not, here is a
screenshot of my activities http://www.jamwerx.com/dwhog.png
dw is taking up barely anymore than firefox and eclipse runs at about
half of dw, this is on a mac but still, if you have a half way decent
puter from the last few years (not from when cfstudio came out) then it
isnt too bad. Hell even my old mac mini ran it just fine.
And the rest of your problems are in the settings.
Use cfstudio, more power to ya.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242142
Well, us old dogs like a better explanation than:
"If I was you I would start getting used to eclipse."
That just doesn't cut it Dave.
> im not doing it because everyone is doing it, im doing because I can see
where all this is heading
Never said you did but your rationale sure sounded like it.
> Like I said use what you want and someday soon I will sit back and watch ya
scrambling
Doubt it. Not once in 17 years in IT have I been caught behind the eight
ball my man. I find it funny how you'd think an IDE would even remotely
cause me to "scramble".
haha!
Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242143
> " Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation,
> and Adobe is
> putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from
> Flex, but it's supposed to cover CF). "
>
> isnt that already out
Yeah, but I think its beta. I read about it on Mark Drew's blog:
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/16/Adobe-adds-documentat
ion-to-Eclipse
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242144
Also, Mark recently added code insight for various variables in your
code. If you've created a query, later it will show up in an insight
popup when you need to use it. Same thing for CFParam, CFDirectory, and
a few other tags. But we have to wait until they roll this up into a
release, unless you want to use the nightly. Details here:
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/17/CFEclipse-new-feature
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Author: Ben Nadel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242147
Yeah, I think the TODO feature is VERY cool, and I like the component
function outline. I even like the document outline. That is cool stuff. I
could never get my scratch pad to work when I set it up, but I am gonna try
again.
......................
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
> Actually, and I'm not being a smartass when I say this, I'd very much
> like for you to tell me some of the features CFE has over HS that are
> worthwhile.
I haven't used HS for quite a while, so correct me if any of these are there
as well. But Here are a few things I like about CFE, besides what I've
already mentioned.
1. SQL code highlighting
2. Todo list--Just add <---! Todo:{your todo title} ---> anywhere in your
code and you get a new todo item in the todo view. If you click this item
later from the todo panel it will open up the correct file and drop you down
to the correct spot on the page.
3. Version control--Eclipse has basic version control built-in. Do you
need to go back after a few hours of coding? No problem, just find the
correct version from the history and restore it 4. Working sets--group
similar files into a set for later use, which makes it easier to interface
with them later (all other files are
hidden)
5. Scratch pad--if you need to quickly test some code, hit F11 (or whatever
you map it to) which loads a cfm file, then view the results in the internal
browser 6. Snippets--You can have complex code snippets at your fingertips,
just hit a shortcut and it will drop the code in. It will even ask you for
parameters (Ex. a query name) 7. There is a plugin that lets you view the
CF logs right from the CFE IDE 8. There is an Outline and a Methods view
that gives you quick easy access to your document structure, where you can
click and jump to the right section 9. It's open source--community driven,
rapid support and quick releases, and it costs $0 10. Adobe now supports
CFEclipse as the standard CFML editor for coders (not designers). In fact,
did you know that Sean Cornfield is the project manager for CFE?
Again, if you know that HS does any of the above, feel free to correct me.
I know it does snippets, but I'm not sure if they are as powerful as CFE.
Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation, and Adobe is
putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from Flex,
but it's supposed to cover CF).
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Author: Mark A Kruger
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242155
> Studio is perfect for people who crank out CFML 8 hours a day. If you
> have to juggle multiple tasks, then Eclipse is the way to go.
Or ASP or JSP or PHP or........ I know people of many non CF disciplines who
swear by HS+ because it is a lightweight editor with integrated local and
remote file system + fully customizable help, toolbars, parsers, yada yada
.....
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242181
> " Also, someone mentioned that HS has inline documentation, and Adobe is
> putting this into CFE soon (Actually I think it's going to come from
> Flex, but it's supposed to cover CF). "
isnt that already out
I think it's in the nightly, and there is talk of another release, I think.
Thoughtfully,
:den
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242186
> Here, here. Doing multiple line regex patterns is a nightmare
> sometimes.
Well isn't it handy that there are a few really nice regular expression
editor plugins for eclipse as well? ;-)
I think one of the most fundamental and freaking awesome featues of eclipse
is it's OPEN SOURCE.
If you'd like it to do X, you can go and and make it do X. If you prefer Y,
go for it, do Y.
Frankly that alone should kick any "but it doesn't do X" arguments in the
buttocks.
Course, who really wants to learn java, or contribute to communities or
whatnot. :P~
As for the project structure, Ben, you may think about a versioning system,
and see how you're structure
would fit there, to get more of an overview of how to do it in eclipse. If
you're using SVN, externals might
be of interest, if you really like the "many projects in one project" idea.
Really another nifty thing about eclipse and projects and that whole
mindset, is that it's more geared to standards and such, vs. the "edit
wherever I want, do what I want, etc."
Take it from me, if you challenge yourself and your "clients", no project
will be a tiny project. And organization
is pretty swell, when things get "big".
Basically just cfeclipse+1, I guess, but MAN, eclipse is freaking nifty.
Blows anything closed source outta the water (potentially ;)
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242187
You make Eclipse sound pretty good, but honestly, I've tried it and the
damn interface is just so clunky. I think that too much screen real
estate is consumed by the chrome. Actually, I have never liked any
java-based GUIs. Ick.
As many others have mentioned, "I" have not yet seen any benefit to
convert from HS/DW to CFE. I REALLY like the CFE snippets, but they
always bomb out on me unless I go through a particular ritual of closing
panes, opening panes and then editing a CFM file.
As I said before, CFE is a pretty sharp concept and the developers have
done an excellent job, but it's just not for me...yet. And I don't feel
like any less of a developer for avoiding Eclipse.
As a matter of fact, I will probably re-install CFE and give it another
shot. I admit that it gets a bit easier each time I attempt to use CFE.
My main gripe is the amount of manual installation and configuration to
get plugins to work. Also, the extraordinary amount of settings is
quite daunting.
I probably have the time, but not the incentive to spend hours just
installing and configuring the GUI before I feel comfortable with
Eclipse.
As of now, the main benefit for Eclipse is that I can definitely remove
the entire platform just by deleting a directory structure.
M!ke
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242207
You kinda already seem like you are to me ray.
~Dave the disruptor~
Well, us old dogs like a better explanation than:
"If I was you I would start getting used to eclipse."
That just doesn't cut it Dave.
> im not doing it because everyone is doing it, im doing because I can see
where all this is heading
Never said you did but your rationale sure sounded like it.
> Like I said use what you want and someday soon I will sit back and watch ya
scrambling
Doubt it. Not once in 17 years in IT have I been caught behind the eight
ball my man. I find it funny how you'd think an IDE would even remotely
cause me to "scramble". haha!
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242208
yup.. its exactly like that........
~Dave the disruptor~
Hm, I like it. It's kinda how I hoard all of the cookies in my house
and only make them available to the rest of the family if they really
need one.
half a gb? 116.10 mb is half a gb?
hopefully you just read it wrong.
oh i see what you are looking at, no the only thing in ff was
smartermail. Macs use up all you available memory and release it when
other apps need it so its faster, its not like a pc. Look at ichat at
400mb
~Dave the disruptor~
1/2 GB of memory for Firefox?? Guess all those pr0n pics and movies suck
up the memory, eh? :)
(sorry for OT)
Thats fine but I hate to tell y'all that cf studio is gone and it aint
comin back.....
And all this dw is such a hog... you know really its not, here is a
screenshot of my activities http://www.jamwerx.com/dwhog.png
dw is taking up barely anymore than firefox and eclipse runs at about
half of dw, this is on a mac but still, if you have a half way decent
puter from the last few years (not from when cfstudio came out) then it
isnt too bad. Hell even my old mac mini ran it just fine.
And the rest of your problems are in the settings.
Use cfstudio, more power to ya.
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: kola.oyedeji
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242209
> So if you're just developing a small site without any sort of version
> control, then Homesite+ or Dreamweaver might work better for you, but if
> you're serious about development and want integration with subversion,
then
> CFEclipse is the best editor for you.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Russ
>
Never thought I'd hear *you* say that Russ ;-)
Kola
Author: kola.oyedeji
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242210
I think Denny makes and excellent point - if you want a feature added to
homesite or CFstudio then you can complete the wishlist and hope that
someone actually reads it.
If you want a feature added to Homesite you can
a) do it yourself (if you have the time/skills)
b) hire someone to do it
c) pay for a feature to get added
I should add that when I first started using CFEclipse and was working with
Mark I asked for a feature to be added and the next day it was in there. You
wont get that from Adobe!
Kola
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eclipse
> is it's OPEN SOURCE.
>
> If you'd like it to do X, you can go and and make it do X. If you prefer
Y,
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system,
> and see how you're structure
> would fit there, to get more of an overview of how to do it in eclipse.
If
> you're using SVN, externals might
> be of interest, if you really like the "many projects in one project"
idea.
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242211
Then you're not a good read of talent, Dave.
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242212
Ben,
CFEclipse already has that and has had it for a while, Its called the
File Explorer view and you can also use it to connect to FTP servers
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:10, Ben Nadel wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242213
I hope I could persuade you that that is not so, there seems to be a
big issue with installing a JRE and Eclipse etc... so I might look to
team up with another site (forget the name at the moment) that do pre-
packaged versions of Eclipse for different developers
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:29, Dawson, Michael wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242214
Just thought I would say some things:
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:32, Steve Brownlee wrote:
>>> 1. The large box for extended search/replace.
> Exist in limited fashion in Eclipse. Only capable of doing single
> line
> extended search/replace.
This is true, and I am looking into the search API.
>
>>> 2. The split directory / file view... I rather dislike the
> dreamweaveresque view of everything one left in one loooooooong
> window.
> Does exist in CFEclipse. It's the File Explorer view.
Been there for a long time, you can also get used to the "loong"
windows by using the "Go Into:" feature that just zooms straight into
that folder, hell you can even open another instance of eclipse for
that so you can alt+tab across different sites, like having multiple
version of homes**te
>
>>> 3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included
> template"...
> Doesn't exist.
Yes it does, you can even write <cfinlcude template="../
notexistent.cfm"> and then right click and do an edit/create and it
will create the file for you in the right place
>
> 4. The ability to CTRL+SHIFT+TAB through the different tabs of
> homesite
> (not sure if eclipse can do this).
>>> Does exist in Eclipse. Customizable to any keystroke.
Eclipse has it and its even better, you can go back through a history
of files you edited to their edit points, by doing alt+ arrow left or
arrow right.
>
> Now if I wanted to spend the time to go over all of the features that
> Eclipse/CFEclipse has over clunky old HS or Studio, I'd be here all
> day.
> If these are the only features holding you back, I'd urge you to
> re-evaluate Eclipse once again.
It is difficult for people to move over because they are used to a
feature set, and getting used to another is hard.
The problem is that I dont want to add features to CFEclipse *just*
to replicate HomeSite in Eclipse. CFEclipse should help you edit
ColdFusion and implement Best Practice and there will be even MORE
features soon for you to do that.
MD
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242215
AFAE (which is Rob Rohan's editor) also has a lot of CSS editors and
JavaScript editors.
HE also has an XML editor that will help with model glue etc. I am
thinking of ways of helping people do Model Glue and do CFunit tests.
There will be lots of features added to CFEclipse over the coming
months, I wonder how many new features to help you develop there will
be in Homesite?
Hmmm...
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:47, dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242216
I want my youth back too!
all the late nights developing a tool for programmers and with
attitudes like this it is a bit dis-heartening
There is nothing I could do to CFEclipse to make some people change,
but when I use HomeSite (which I dont by the way, only to do a
feature comparison) it feels *ikky* now and I come from a sworn
background of using CFStudio
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:57, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242217
Err, up to date libraries
Tag Editors,
Snippets
CFC support!
Support from Adobe if you are doing Crud Methods etc.
I mean, the list goes on, I cant force you to change, but then again,
I like WordPerfect running on Dos.
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 20:02, Ken Ferguson wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242218
On 2 Jun 2006, at 20:31, Russ wrote:
> I've been using CFEclipse for a while... It's not as good as
> Homesite+ or CF
> Studio by itself. It's missing the integrated help (although it
> gives you
> link to online docs, they're kind of slow).
>
I was working on that but now Adobe have released all the help, well,
what do you want me to do, keep the help updated by myself?
I am trying to find ways to launch the help on the tag that you
wanted at the moment if you have the help installed.
MD
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242219
I think if you dont have the time to learn a new tool, no matter the
size of the site, you just wont.
Nothing anyone can say will help you switch from one tool to another,
I would have to show you (ahh, yes people, I will be doing some
video's of using CFEclipse)
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 20:55, Rey Bango wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242220
Thanks Jacob!
I am sure I could have come up with the features, but sometimes you
cant see the wood for trees, and also since I dont use HomeSite, I
cant remember what it can and cannot do!
I might have to blog these if you dont mind?
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 21:21, Munson, Jacob wrote:
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Author: Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242223
Hey Mark, I would just like to say that i've only recently starting using
CFE but i think it's cool - it took me a while to get into it (from a studio
then DW background) but i want to say a big that you to you and the CFE
team.
THANK YOU - and please keep up the good work...
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242227
That would be very beneficial, Mark.
It can be a bother to install the JRE and Eclipse, but I got through it
with no problems. However, if I want my dad, or some friends to switch
to CFE, some may have a more-difficult time just because of the current
two separate installs.
Having a single installer would surely increase the number of installed
seats of CFE.
M!ke
I hope I could persuade you that that is not so, there seems to be a big
issue with installing a JRE and Eclipse etc... so I might look to team
up with another site (forget the name at the moment) that do pre-
packaged versions of Eclipse for different developers
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:29, Dawson, Michael wrote:
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242230
I would say it would be basically a version of Eclipse pre-installed
with CFEclipse and some other plugins, you would still need to
download the JRE
But these arent "big" issues surely?
MD
On 3 Jun 2006, at 16:21, Dawson, Michael wrote:
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Author: Kev McCabe
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242232
Jacob (Or anyone?),
"7. There is a plug-in that lets you view the CF logs right from the CFE
IDE"
Have you got a lazy link to the log file viewer?
Cheers
Author: Kev McCabe
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242233
Ok Decided to be less lazy :-)
http://www.mikenimer.com/eclipse/logviewer/index.cfm
Cheers
Jacob (Or anyone?),
"7. There is a plug-in that lets you view the CF logs right from the CFE
IDE"
Have you got a lazy link to the log file viewer?
Cheers
Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242235
Not big issues, but to some developers, they may see it as a bother.
I would say it would be basically a version of Eclipse pre-installed
with CFEclipse and some other plugins, you would still need to download
the JRE
But these arent "big" issues surely?
MD
On 3 Jun 2006, at 16:21, Dawson, Michael wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242236
Its not an attitude...just an opinion. I am also not a big fan of open
source products in general. I have recommended cfeclipse to people as it is
not a bad product over all...I just don't like it. I couldn't get...or at
least figure out how to get, the cf part to work right. I found the
interface to be very non-intuitive and hard to use. It does have potential.
I do like the fact that I can use it for multiple platforms...that is pretty
cool, though right now, I am not doing anything but cf, so that does kill
some of the cool factor for that. Packaged installs would be good. I think
a lot of us just don't like the whole Linux/open source way of doing things
when software is concerned. I find most gnu licensed products are more
trouble that they are worth to install and get running(mysql being an
exception). I find a lack of consistency since you have multiple
independent programmers working on it. The concept is great, but like many
things, they look better on paper. Don't take it personally ;-) You do
have a strong following that really like cfeclipse.
Blessings,
Eric
I want my youth back too!
all the late nights developing a tool for programmers and with attitudes
like this it is a bit dis-heartening
There is nothing I could do to CFEclipse to make some people change, but
when I use HomeSite (which I dont by the way, only to do a feature
comparison) it feels *ikky* now and I come from a sworn background of using
CFStudio
MD
On 2 Jun 2006, at 19:57, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242239
Well i certainly wouldn't take my car into someone who uses an old decrypted set
of rusty tools, no matter how "good" they say they are. Even though I do believe
you are a good developer and my meaning wasn't quite how it came out (my
appologize for that).
If hs was so great it would still be in development today and the fact of the
matter is that it is not and for a few ppl to bitch about its "non updates" year
after year is lame, its done, its gone, move on........
Sure dw isn't the fastest but its not bad either, hell its running in Rosetta on
my machine and its more than fast enough. The fact is that hs and cfstudio got
left behind for dead and 5 ppl moaning about it on here wont change it.
Like I said, use it, i don't care but don't complain when its not updated.
~Dave the disruptor~
Then you're not a good read of talent, Dave.
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242241
And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it back
for the 13 people who want it.
~Dave the disruptor~
I think Denny makes and excellent point - if you want a feature added to
homesite or CFstudio then you can complete the wishlist and hope that
someone actually reads it.
If you want a feature added to Homesite you can
a) do it yourself (if you have the time/skills)
b) hire someone to do it
c) pay for a feature to get added
I should add that when I first started using CFEclipse and was working with
Mark I asked for a feature to be added and the next day it was in there. You
wont get that from Adobe!
Kola
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242247
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Hi Eric, blessed be!
This is one of those age old arguments, Open vs Closed, and there
are tons of docs about development cycles and such, good reads.
They even have names for the types of cycles and whatnot.
I don't think your arguments hold water now adays tho. If they
ever did. "Open" is so open, you'll find all types. By definition.
Some are good, some not so good, but it's been a ton of fun
watching the evolution.
If you can't read the trends, you may still be thinking along old-
school lines of thought. Old, biased lines of thought.
For years I've been using "open" solutions. Just look at the
Apache Group for more examples of stuff that "just works",
like MySQL. Lots of examples.
Any large project will have multiple contributor's, or programmers,
no matter if it's open or closed. I don't see "closed" as having
some intrinsic nature of consistency. That's a MS meme; that
for some reason, people seem to buy into, even tho they USE
MS products, and could obviously see the fallacy of that idea.
OpenSource is the way of the future, and if you can't tell that
by what's been going on for the last bit, you haven't been
paying attention.
I'm not saying everything will be free, but rather, that the
people who believed, for some time, in the ultimate power of
"open" vs. "closed", have been borne out, whereas, the
folks who touted "closed is better", haven't.
If you're really "doing cf", you should LOVE the awesome
power of eclipse over HS+ or studio. If you're just
note-padding it, for all intents and purposes, you aren't
really coding. Heh, that's a statement.
Seriously though, UML and all this nifty crap, made by
coders, for coders, beats the pants off of some corporate,
"name it something friendly, like 'HOMEsite'" type method.
THAT's what turned me off of HS, really. The name. Coding
isn't easy. "Home" makes it sound like a dumbed-down thing.
Why not name it "PROsite". :-P
At any rate, when a colleague and buddy said "there's an
eclipse plugin for CF" (he doens't even do CF much) I was
all over it. It seemed "manly". LOL.
Really though, if installing a java runtime is that difficult...
there's something wrong. I hope you run an instance of
cf locally, and use source control and such, but if not...
I've got another colleague/friend who, do to being comfortable
with "the old way", has really been lagging on picking up
the new design flow. Insists on editing live stuff on the
production server, leaves temp files, etc.. Sees the power
of the new stuff, but for some reason, hasn't shown initiative
in taking it to the next level.
But a decision from on high has changed things (really
it was just the effects of doing things "the old way"), so
now my friend will have to get a crash-course, vs. a nice,
lazy introduction.
If you're interested, open source has probably furthered
the "coding"-ness of coding 1000x fold. It was obvious
years ago (to me) that sharing info would do that.
Guess the main thing people have a problem with is
figuring out that when they help other people, they
help themselves as well.
So it's cool that you tout the MS line about open source,
but you are totally wrong on every count, if you ask me.
If you are serious. I just can't see how you could say
it looks good on paper, but not in reality, when it's pretty
blatant that OpenSource will be a key factor in what's
to come (And has really proven itself, (as if it needed to).
Sorry to come off so hard. This is more of an emotional
response than a productive one, but I'm finding out the
hard way that if you want to be a real coder, you have
to get with the program. Open Source is here, it's
queer (how do I get $$?), get used to it.
And GPL is just a license, it's pretty unfair to try to
link a licence to software quality. That's not Bud,
that's not True.
What looked good on paper, is looking even better
in real life, and keeps on looking better.
Well, that was a rant, sorry, but I had to respond in
kind, as it didn't seem like much research went into
your post. No hard feelings, don't take it personal,
just an exchange of rantings, if'n that don't bother
folks.
Opensource is something that isn't just linux any
more. This is a big factor for CF based products
as well.
Eh. 'Nuff said ;-)
:Denleg
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242251
Definitely do the videos. I'm fairly open to new ideas but again, as I
mentioned in an earlier post, I don't just jump to the next tool because
its the "in" thing. If you're videos do a good job of showing me the
benefits, I'd be more than happy to use CFE.
Rey...
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242253
Hi Dave,
> Even though I do believe you are a good developer and my meaning wasn't
quite how it came out (my appologize for that).
Thanks for saying that. Your post came out a bit rough. ;)
> ...cfstudio got left behind for dead and 5 ppl moaning about it on here wont
change it.
The funny thing about this is how you've completed contorted the whole
thread. Being the thread starter, I went back and re-read the initial
post and the only thing I asked was if there was an update to the tag
insight and help docs. Not once did I complain about it. I'm very aware
of the state of Allaire/MM/Adobe products having been a past member of
Team Allaire and still having some associations with the folks over
there. So yes, I knew that CFStudio/HS+ had been put to end-of-life
status but I still find them very useful for my work. And I don't
believe you've ever seen me complain about much of anything on here have
you Dave? I'm fairly aware of my needs and I'm doing well to date.
Again, its funny how you've somehow seemed to have interpreted my simple
question as a complaint. Go back and check it out.
> Like I said, use it, i don't care but don't complain when its not updated.
I won't. Once my tools become ineffective, I generally move on. CFStudio
& HS, though, are still working great for me in their current state and
with the new update the Ben Nadel sent me, its up to date with all of
CFMX7's tags.
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242255
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people
that use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe
ever restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242256
I have been using CFE for nearly 2 months now, and I still miss Homesite. In
fact I keep it open at the same time for the quick reference to tag editor,
function/tag insert and quick help.
CFE has a way to go before it beats CFStudio/homesite for CFML editing.
russ
Definitely do the videos. I'm fairly open to new ideas but again, as I
mentioned in an earlier post, I don't just jump to the next tool because its
the "in" thing. If you're videos do a good job of showing me the benefits,
I'd be more than happy to use CFE.
Rey...
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242257
I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people that
use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe ever
restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242258
Those are two features that are rather requested and I have already
added them (not sure if they are in the stable yet but definately
will be in the next release)
If you have a Dictionary View you can double click and enter
functions and tags. Also I have (in the nightly) a version of right
clicking on a tag and being able to edit it. its pretty neat.
So I am trying to make the product work well as requested by most
people.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 00:48, Snake wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242259
So would I.
Rey...
Snake wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242260
Homesite was originally designed for non-cf developers. It was also used by
non-developers because it has a great interface. HS+ was a bit of an
appeasement to the CF developers MM lied to when they trashed cf studio
after assuring us they wouldn't. As far as open source goes, don't assume
that I don't see the trend. I just don't like or agree that it is better.
Why is it that if I am not doing my code in some bloated text editor that I
am not really coding? I would say the opposite is true. If you can't do it
in notepad, then you don't know how to code. You shouldn't rely on
crutches. I make a lot of use out of the Jakarta Apache projects open
source code. Like I said...most of the open source stuff is
inconsistent...most does not mean all... If open source has won out, why
does MS and non-open source Unix have the greater market share? In my 8
years of cf development, I have only run into 2 shops that use any open
source software in their production environment. That doesn't sound like a
win for open source to me.
MMMPMMA,
Eric
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Hi Eric, blessed be!
This is one of those age old arguments, Open vs Closed, and there are tons
of docs about development cycles and such, good reads.
They even have names for the types of cycles and whatnot.
I don't think your arguments hold water now adays tho. If they ever did.
"Open" is so open, you'll find all types. By definition.
Some are good, some not so good, but it's been a ton of fun watching the
evolution.
If you can't read the trends, you may still be thinking along old- school
lines of thought. Old, biased lines of thought.
For years I've been using "open" solutions. Just look at the Apache Group
for more examples of stuff that "just works", like MySQL. Lots of examples.
Any large project will have multiple contributor's, or programmers, no
matter if it's open or closed. I don't see "closed" as having some
intrinsic nature of consistency. That's a MS meme; that for some reason,
people seem to buy into, even tho they USE MS products, and could obviously
see the fallacy of that idea.
OpenSource is the way of the future, and if you can't tell that by what's
been going on for the last bit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm not saying everything will be free, but rather, that the people who
believed, for some time, in the ultimate power of "open" vs. "closed", have
been borne out, whereas, the folks who touted "closed is better", haven't.
If you're really "doing cf", you should LOVE the awesome power of eclipse
over HS+ or studio. If you're just note-padding it, for all intents and
purposes, you aren't really coding. Heh, that's a statement.
Seriously though, UML and all this nifty crap, made by coders, for coders,
beats the pants off of some corporate, "name it something friendly, like
'HOMEsite'" type method.
THAT's what turned me off of HS, really. The name. Coding isn't easy.
"Home" makes it sound like a dumbed-down thing.
Why not name it "PROsite". :-P
At any rate, when a colleague and buddy said "there's an eclipse plugin for
CF" (he doens't even do CF much) I was all over it. It seemed "manly". LOL.
Really though, if installing a java runtime is that difficult...
there's something wrong. I hope you run an instance of cf locally, and use
source control and such, but if not...
I've got another colleague/friend who, do to being comfortable with "the old
way", has really been lagging on picking up the new design flow. Insists on
editing live stuff on the production server, leaves temp files, etc.. Sees
the power of the new stuff, but for some reason, hasn't shown initiative in
taking it to the next level.
But a decision from on high has changed things (really it was just the
effects of doing things "the old way"), so now my friend will have to get a
crash-course, vs. a nice, lazy introduction.
If you're interested, open source has probably furthered the "coding"-ness
of coding 1000x fold. It was obvious years ago (to me) that sharing info
would do that.
Guess the main thing people have a problem with is figuring out that when
they help other people, they help themselves as well.
So it's cool that you tout the MS line about open source, but you are
totally wrong on every count, if you ask me.
If you are serious. I just can't see how you could say it looks good on
paper, but not in reality, when it's pretty blatant that OpenSource will be
a key factor in what's to come (And has really proven itself, (as if it
needed to).
Sorry to come off so hard. This is more of an emotional response than a
productive one, but I'm finding out the hard way that if you want to be a
real coder, you have to get with the program. Open Source is here, it's
queer (how do I get $$?), get used to it.
And GPL is just a license, it's pretty unfair to try to link a licence to
software quality. That's not Bud, that's not True.
What looked good on paper, is looking even better in real life, and keeps on
looking better.
Well, that was a rant, sorry, but I had to respond in kind, as it didn't
seem like much research went into your post. No hard feelings, don't take
it personal, just an exchange of rantings, if'n that don't bother folks.
Opensource is something that isn't just linux any more. This is a big
factor for CF based products as well.
Eh. 'Nuff said ;-)
:Denleg
Author: Terry Troxel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242262
I second that Ray,
I have been reading and saving every single post on here
since the start as my knowledge base. If in the middle of
the night I get stumped there usually is an answer found by
searching. I have posted some replies from time to time to
try and pay back for the free knowledge gained on here, but
it seems lately when you ask a question, you either don't
phrase it to someone's liking or someone breaks the thread
by going off on a tangent (like maybe I am doing) or someone
just starts a my tool's better then your tool scenario. I am
using CF5, Getting a handle on CF6.1 am 65 years old and
there is not enough hours I care to spend watching CF or
anything related to it bashing as it has made me a very good
living and continues to do so and I am not slowing down
anytime soon. I am just getting tired of having now to
delete non related to cf posts in order to keep my knowledge
base pristine and of a manageable size. BTW, I am not
flaming or picking on anyone in particular and if you need
to pick on a "old" guy do it offline please <he says
jokingly as he has a senior moment. What was I saying?>
Terry Troxel
BTW I am one of the 13 lovers of CF Studio 5
Hi Dave,
> Even though I do believe you are a good developer and my
meaning wasn't quite how it came out (my appologize for
that).
Thanks for saying that. Your post came out a bit rough. ;)
> ...cfstudio got left behind for dead and 5 ppl moaning
about it on here wont change it.
The funny thing about this is how you've completed contorted
the whole thread. Being the thread starter, I went back and
re-read the initial post and the only thing I asked was if
there was an update to the tag insight and help docs. Not
once did I complain about it. I'm very aware of the state of
Allaire/MM/Adobe products having been a past member of Team
Allaire and still having some associations with the folks
over there. So yes, I knew that CFStudio/HS+ had been put to
end-of-life status but I still find them very useful for my
work. And I don't believe you've ever seen me complain about
much of anything on here have you Dave? I'm fairly aware of
my needs and I'm doing well to date.
Again, its funny how you've somehow seemed to have
interpreted my simple question as a complaint. Go back and
check it out.
> Like I said, use it, i don't care but don't complain when
its not updated.
I won't. Once my tools become ineffective, I generally move
on. CFStudio & HS, though, are still working great for me in
their current state and with the new update the Ben Nadel
sent me, its up to date with all of CFMX7's tags.
Rey...
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242265
It's all good Rey, I love ya and respect you and more than anything it probably
wasn't your post in perticular but as others post and everyone from the pasts
posts who just wanna bitch and moan about it not being supported anymore.
Plus you know how i love to stir the pot and actually as usual it turned into a
bigger discussion which helped a few people out and helped get the record a bit
more straight on what eclipse can and can't do which never woulda happened, ya
know what I mean ;)
~Dave the disruptor~
Hi Dave,
> Even though I do believe you are a good developer and my meaning wasn't
quite how it came out (my appologize for that).
Thanks for saying that. Your post came out a bit rough. ;)
> ...cfstudio got left behind for dead and 5 ppl moaning about it on here wont
change it.
The funny thing about this is how you've completed contorted the whole
thread. Being the thread starter, I went back and re-read the initial
post and the only thing I asked was if there was an update to the tag
insight and help docs. Not once did I complain about it. I'm very aware
of the state of Allaire/MM/Adobe products having been a past member of
Team Allaire and still having some associations with the folks over
there. So yes, I knew that CFStudio/HS+ had been put to end-of-life
status but I still find them very useful for my work. And I don't
believe you've ever seen me complain about much of anything on here have
you Dave? I'm fairly aware of my needs and I'm doing well to date.
Again, its funny how you've somehow seemed to have interpreted my simple
question as a complaint. Go back and check it out.
> Like I said, use it, i don't care but don't complain when its not updated.
I won't. Once my tools become ineffective, I generally move on. CFStudio
& HS, though, are still working great for me in their current state and
with the new update the Ben Nadel sent me, its up to date with all of
CFMX7's tags.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242266
Well I totally disagree with you, if we all just kiss each others butts and don't
debate things a bit then we also don't learn as much because bigger discussions
don't come out of it and it all stays status quo (which im sure a few ppl would
prefer).
~Dave the disruptor~
I second that Ray,
I have been reading and saving every single post on here
since the start as my knowledge base. If in the middle of
the night I get stumped there usually is an answer found by
searching. I have posted some replies from time to time to
try and pay back for the free knowledge gained on here, but
it seems lately when you ask a question, you either don't
phrase it to someone's liking or someone breaks the thread
by going off on a tangent (like maybe I am doing) or someone
just starts a my tool's better then your tool scenario. I am
using CF5, Getting a handle on CF6.1 am 65 years old and
there is not enough hours I care to spend watching CF or
anything related to it bashing as it has made me a very good
living and continues to do so and I am not slowing down
anytime soon. I am just getting tired of having now to
delete non related to cf posts in order to keep my knowledge
base pristine and of a manageable size. BTW, I am not
flaming or picking on anyone in particular and if you need
to pick on a "old" guy do it offline please
jokingly as he has a senior moment. What was I saying?>
Terry Troxel
BTW I am one of the 13 lovers of CF Studio 5
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242267
Ok Adobe, you got 14 people now that want hs back so get crackin on a new updated
version, oh and of course it better not be more than a $25
upgrade...................
~Dave the disruptor~
So would I.
Rey...
Snake wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242268
You'd also get a mullett if they'd do it 4 ya ;)
~Dave the disruptor~
I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people that
use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe ever
restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242269
> It's all good Rey, I love ya and respect you and more than anything it
probably wasn't your post in perticular but as others post and everyone from the
pasts posts who just wanna bitch and moan about it not being supported anymore.
>
> Plus you know how i love to stir the pot and actually as usual it turned
into a bigger discussion which helped a few people out and helped get the record
a bit more straight on what eclipse can and can't do which never woulda happened,
ya know what I mean ;)
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
I know man. I don't take it personally. I'm just as fiery as you are so
I can't help but reply. :)
I know CFE is out there and do know that I have listened to your points
(as well as the others). I will get to CFE or another IDE when the time
is right but CFStudio just does an awesome job for me at the moment.
I will be at CFUnited (see, I'm on top of things) so if they do have any
discussions on CFE, I'll definitely look into it.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242270
some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a better os as
well
~Dave the disruptor~
I have been using CFE for nearly 2 months now, and I still miss Homesite. In
fact I keep it open at the same time for the quick reference to tag editor,
function/tag insert and quick help.
CFE has a way to go before it beats CFStudio/homesite for CFML editing.
russ
Definitely do the videos. I'm fairly open to new ideas but again, as I
mentioned in an earlier post, I don't just jump to the next tool because its
the "in" thing. If you're videos do a good job of showing me the benefits,
I'd be more than happy to use CFE.
Rey...
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242271
Okay, I have to say that made me laugh. Smartass! ;)
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242272
Ok well there would be more than 13 but the point is just as you say, they won't
be doing something that they lose a ton of money on which pretty much means there
aren't enough people buying it to justify it.
Personally, I thought setting hs up was a pita kinda like how eclipse is now and
to me they both have similar problems, the main one for me is that if i am doing
css stuff then I gotta upload every change and then go browse it to see wtf is
going on and then I gotta go to a pc to see how bad ie broke it. At least in dw
it cuts most of that out.
And ftp is such a problem with both
~Dave the disruptor~
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people
that use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe
ever restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242273
Actually Rey I don't really use cfe that much yet, I will do most stuff in dw
them to make myself feel better go into cfe and clean it up after I get the
layouts done in css.
To me its like if half the ppl keep trying to keep the oldy stuff alive that we
arent putting enough focus on the current and future stuff and we keep falling
behind. Most of the other languages are always pushing the boundries of making
their language and tools newer and better and quite frankly it shows...
Its hard not to respond huh? plus I got all this anger built up from talking to
Will that I let it go on here sometimes! hehe
~Dave the disruptor~
> It's all good Rey, I love ya and respect you and more than anything it
probably wasn't your post in perticular but as others post and everyone from the
pasts posts who just wanna bitch and moan about it not being supported anymore.
>
> Plus you know how i love to stir the pot and actually as usual it turned
into a bigger discussion which helped a few people out and helped get the record
a bit more straight on what eclipse can and can't do which never woulda happened,
ya know what I mean ;)
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
I know man. I don't take it personally. I'm just as fiery as you are so
I can't help but reply. :)
I know CFE is out there and do know that I have listened to your points
(as well as the others). I will get to CFE or another IDE when the time
is right but CFStudio just does an awesome job for me at the moment.
I will be at CFUnited (see, I'm on top of things) so if they do have any
discussions on CFE, I'll definitely look into it.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242274
:)
I remember a couple of years ago we had this discussion and someone was hardcore
bitching about it and was adimant that it should just be a free release from now
on but have all the features of dw as well but run as fast as hs and only be for
cfm coders, was about to go over there and smack him.
~Dave the disruptor~
Okay, I have to say that made me laugh. Smartass! ;)
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: Terry Troxel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242275
Gee Dave the Disrupter,
You disagree with my entire post.....hmmm....
You disagree with me using the questions and answers as a
knowledge base?
I said nothing about debating, I was refering to someone
posting a question and before the question has been
answered, someone comes along, picks a totally different
spin to the original post and away it goes like wildfire and
the original poster is left saying, "Did I start this?" All
I am saying is the amount of useful informational that used
to flow freely through here is being put aside by debates on
the merits of asp, my tool is better of yours and CF is not
doing things right. I love debating, but somehow I don't
think that is what a lot of this is.
I will now go back to my rocker and slippers and crank up
some 50's tunes and open up CF Studio on my laptop and make
some money, doing what I love to do.
On a slightly fifferent note....my retirement park recently
had Verison FIOS installed and I just got a 15 Mbps/2 Mbps
connection that absolutely blows my socks off everytime I
get online....for once in my life I am on the cutting edge
and not trying to catchup.
Terry
PS Don't take it personal Dave, I like to stir crap once in
awhile too......
Well I totally disagree with you, if we all just kiss each
others butts and don't debate things a bit then we also
don't learn as much because bigger discussions don't come
out of it and it all stays status quo (which im sure a few
ppl would prefer).
~Dave the disruptor~
I second that Ray,
I have been reading and saving every single post on here
since the start as my knowledge base. If in the middle of
the night I get stumped there usually is an answer found by
searching. I have posted some replies from time to time to
try and pay back for the free knowledge gained on here, but
it seems lately when you ask a question, you either don't
phrase it to someone's liking or someone breaks the thread
by going off on a tangent (like maybe I am doing) or someone
just starts a my tool's better then your tool scenario. I am
using CF5, Getting a handle on CF6.1 am 65 years old and
there is not enough hours I care to spend watching CF or
anything related to it bashing as it has made me a very good
living and continues to do so and I am not slowing down
anytime soon. I am just getting tired of having now to
delete non related to cf posts in order to keep my knowledge
base pristine and of a manageable size. BTW, I am not
flaming or picking on anyone in particular and if you need
to pick on a "old" guy do it offline please jokingly as he
has a senior moment. What was I saying?>
Terry Troxel
BTW I am one of the 13 lovers of CF Studio 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242276
You can do as you please, I been here for several years and its always been this
way.
And sorry but I won't take your age as a crutch as I recall Dick Applebaum was
your age as well and he was all over new technology, hell I was well behind him
at getting to it.
Yeah you can use some of this as a question and answer, i do that, i save the
posts I want to keep.
If you want just a simple question and answer and nothing else then go look at
Rays coldfusioncookbook.com
~Dave the disruptor~
Gee Dave the Disrupter,
You disagree with my entire post.....hmmm....
You disagree with me using the questions and answers as a
knowledge base?
I said nothing about debating, I was refering to someone
posting a question and before the question has been
answered, someone comes along, picks a totally different
spin to the original post and away it goes like wildfire and
the original poster is left saying, "Did I start this?" All
I am saying is the amount of useful informational that used
to flow freely through here is being put aside by debates on
the merits of asp, my tool is better of yours and CF is not
doing things right. I love debating, but somehow I don't
think that is what a lot of this is.
I will now go back to my rocker and slippers and crank up
some 50's tunes and open up CF Studio on my laptop and make
some money, doing what I love to do.
On a slightly fifferent note....my retirement park recently
had Verison FIOS installed and I just got a 15 Mbps/2 Mbps
connection that absolutely blows my socks off everytime I
get online....for once in my life I am on the cutting edge
and not trying to catchup.
Terry
PS Don't take it personal Dave, I like to stir crap once in
awhile too......
Well I totally disagree with you, if we all just kiss each
others butts and don't debate things a bit then we also
don't learn as much because bigger discussions don't come
out of it and it all stays status quo (which im sure a few
ppl would prefer).
~Dave the disruptor~
I second that Ray,
I have been reading and saving every single post on here
since the start as my knowledge base. If in the middle of
the night I get stumped there usually is an answer found by
searching. I have posted some replies from time to time to
try and pay back for the free knowledge gained on here, but
it seems lately when you ask a question, you either don't
phrase it to someone's liking or someone breaks the thread
by going off on a tangent (like maybe I am doing) or someone
just starts a my tool's better then your tool scenario. I am
using CF5, Getting a handle on CF6.1 am 65 years old and
there is not enough hours I care to spend watching CF or
anything related to it bashing as it has made me a very good
living and continues to do so and I am not slowing down
anytime soon. I am just getting tired of having now to
delete non related to cf posts in order to keep my knowledge
base pristine and of a manageable size. BTW, I am not
flaming or picking on anyone in particular and if you need
to pick on a "old" guy do it offline please jokingly as he
has a senior moment. What was I saying?>
Terry Troxel
BTW I am one of the 13 lovers of CF Studio 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Author: Terry Troxel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242277
Dave my age is not a crutch, I don't act my age and I also
love new technology when I have time to get involved with
it. I just don't like being made to feel if I don't have the
latest and greatest I won't be able to live another day. I
also don't want a simple question and answer forum as well,
it's fine the way it is, I am just in favor of less egos and
more focus on giving someone a knowlegable answer to an
honest question, simple as that. And on that note it's back
to work for me, I got to get back on track.
You can do as you please, I been here for several years and
its always been this way.
And sorry but I won't take your age as a crutch as I recall
Dick Applebaum was your age as well and he was all over new
technology, hell I was well behind him at getting to it.
Yeah you can use some of this as a question and answer, i do
that, i save the posts I want to keep.
If you want just a simple question and answer and nothing
else then go look at Rays coldfusioncookbook.com
~Dave the disruptor~
Gee Dave the Disrupter,
You disagree with my entire post.....hmmm....
You disagree with me using the questions and answers as a
knowledge base?
I said nothing about debating, I was refering to someone
posting a question and before the question has been
answered, someone comes along, picks a totally different
spin to the original post and away it goes like wildfire and
the original poster is left saying, "Did I start this?" All
I am saying is the amount of useful informational that used
to flow freely through here is being put aside by debates on
the merits of asp, my tool is better of yours and CF is not
doing things right. I love debating, but somehow I don't
think that is what a lot of this is.
I will now go back to my rocker and slippers and crank up
some 50's tunes and open up CF Studio on my laptop and make
some money, doing what I love to do.
On a slightly fifferent note....my retirement park recently
had Verison FIOS installed and I just got a 15 Mbps/2 Mbps
connection that absolutely blows my socks off everytime I
get online....for once in my life I am on the cutting edge
and not trying to catchup.
Terry
PS Don't take it personal Dave, I like to stir crap once in
awhile too......
Well I totally disagree with you, if we all just kiss each
others butts and don't debate things a bit then we also
don't learn as much because bigger discussions don't come
out of it and it all stays status quo (which im sure a few
ppl would prefer).
~Dave the disruptor~
I second that Ray,
I have been reading and saving every single post on here
since the start as my knowledge base. If in the middle of
the night I get stumped there usually is an answer found by
searching. I have posted some replies from time to time to
try and pay back for the free knowledge gained on here, but
it seems lately when you ask a question, you either don't
phrase it to someone's liking or someone breaks the thread
by going off on a tangent (like maybe I am doing) or someone
just starts a my tool's better then your tool scenario. I am
using CF5, Getting a handle on CF6.1 am 65 years old and
there is not enough hours I care to spend watching CF or
anything related to it bashing as it has made me a very good
living and continues to do so and I am not slowing down
anytime soon. I am just getting tired of having now to
delete non related to cf posts in order to keep my knowledge
base pristine and of a manageable size. BTW, I am not
flaming or picking on anyone in particular and if you need
to pick on a "old" guy do it offline please jokingly as he
has a senior moment. What was I saying?>
Terry Troxel
BTW I am one of the 13 lovers of CF Studio 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Author: Terry Troxel
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242278
Dave my age is not a crutch, I don't act my age and I also
love new technology when I have time to get involved with
it. I just don't like being made to feel if I don't have the
latest and greatest I won't be able to live another day. I
also don't want a simple question and answer forum as well,
it's fine the way it is, I am just in favor of less egos and
more focus on giving someone a knowlegable answer to an
honest question, simple as that. And on that note it's back
to work for me, I got to get back on track.
You can do as you please, I been here for several years and
its always been this way.
And sorry but I won't take your age as a crutch as I recall
Dick Applebaum was your age as well and he was all over new
technology, hell I was well behind him at getting to it.
Yeah you can use some of this as a question and answer, i do
that, i save the posts I want to keep.
If you want just a simple question and answer and nothing
else then go look at Rays coldfusioncookbook.com
~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242279
When is the next release coming out? I am always willing to give things
another try if they have been improved...
Eric
Those are two features that are rather requested and I have already added
them (not sure if they are in the stable yet but definately will be in the
next release)
If you have a Dictionary View you can double click and enter functions and
tags. Also I have (in the nightly) a version of right clicking on a tag and
being able to edit it. its pretty neat.
So I am trying to make the product work well as requested by most people.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 00:48, Snake wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242280
I never could get the FTP to work on cfeclipse. I always has to use an ftp
program to upload my files if they were on a remote machine. Has that been
fixed/improved mark?
Eric
Ok well there would be more than 13 but the point is just as you say, they
won't be doing something that they lose a ton of money on which pretty much
means there aren't enough people buying it to justify it.
Personally, I thought setting hs up was a pita kinda like how eclipse is now
and to me they both have similar problems, the main one for me is that if i
am doing css stuff then I gotta upload every change and then go browse it to
see wtf is going on and then I gotta go to a pc to see how bad ie broke it.
At least in dw it cuts most of that out.
And ftp is such a problem with both
~Dave the disruptor~
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people that
use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe ever
restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242282
Personally, I haven't used ftp in a little while since we've set up local
development environments (which as SOOO sweet by the way). But I've been
using ftp with cfeclipse for a while, and I believe it was pretty broken in
the stable release, but was getting better and better in the nightly builds.
Try those.
Russ
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242283
My response was an emotional one, sorry.
>
> Homesite was originally designed for non-cf developers. It was also used
> by
> non-developers because it has a great interface. HS+ was a bit of an
> appeasement to the CF developers MM lied to when they trashed cf studio
> after assuring us they wouldn't. As far as open source goes, don't assume
> that I don't see the trend. I just don't like or agree that it is better.
The thing is, it's evolution - Believe me, the trend isn't because of a
sudden
feeling of good will in companies such as Microsoft, or IBM. Nor out of
some new found need for "security" and thus an initiative for "transparency"
in software (if that is even a good argument, about security).
Well, maybe IBM's is out of good will, for sure not microsoft.
Why is it that if I am not doing my code in some bloated text editor that I
> am not really coding? I would say the opposite is true. If you can't do
> it
> in notepad, then you don't know how to code.
See, I can "code" cf in my sleep. It's not like with my cell phone, where I
wouldn't know what any of my friends numb3rs were if I lost it.
If anything, my trouble is remembering the old stuff and forgetting the new.
When I'm talking about real coding, I'm talking about the whole deal.
All the interesting stuff going on now is using things like ANT and XML
and frameworks of whatever types... version control... Good IDE's make
it real easy to do 'em all, with key-bindings even.
If you want power and flexibility, you'd want an IDE you could extend. Or
at least I would/do. IDE's aren't crutches... more bio-tech-symbiotic
suits.
At least Eclipse is. Full of living people, living code, open to
contributions,
suggestions, whatnot. NetBeans is also sweet, and you might like it's UI
better than Eclipse's. Don't know if there is a CF plugin for it, so it's
pointless for you probably, but it's alive too, which is pretty cool.
I guess to put it in context, imagine if people were constantly coming
up with new "buttons" for you to extend HS+/CFStudio with. Wouldn't
that be cool? ;-)
> Like I said...most of the open source stuff is
> inconsistent...
Most? Ahh, there ARE a lot of open source projects out there. I see
what you mean. Come to think of it, there are a lot of closed source,
commercial apps out there. If you ask me, MOST leave something to be
desired as well. But most does not mean all ;-)
most does not mean all... If open source has won out, why
> does MS and non-open source Unix have the greater market share?
What would be a better question,is why is MS talking about open
sourcing code now(MS! the KING of closed!)?
Why is Apple so damn cool?
In my 8
> years of cf development, I have only run into 2 shops that use any open
> source software in their production environment. That doesn't sound like
> a
> win for open source to me.
Dude, you've been going into the wrong shops. =-)
That's all I can think of that would explain it.
MMMPMMA,
Mmmm Mmmm good. :-) Don't get it. Oh! Hey, ditto.
I like that. I guess you are ok. [=
em hotep
:denny
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242285
<snipped>
Why is Apple so damn cool?
<snipped>
When was Apple ever cool?
Eric
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242286
" When was Apple ever cool?"
Thats what all the uncool kids say to make themselfs feel better.
~Dave the disruptor~
Why is Apple so damn cool?
When was Apple ever cool?
Eric
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242287
I cant get it to work right and thats a major deal for me.
~Dave the disruptor~
I never could get the FTP to work on cfeclipse. I always has to use an ftp
program to upload my files if they were on a remote machine. Has that been
fixed/improved mark?
Eric
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242288
Heh. That does make me feel cool. :-)
>
> When was Apple ever cool?
>
> Eric
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242289
Have you guys tried the Eclipse FTP / webDAV stuff?
It uses team, so it's got to be good.
If it works.
:)en
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242290
yup
~Dave the disruptor~
Have you guys tried the Eclipse FTP / webDAV stuff?
It uses team, so it's got to be good.
If it works.
:)en
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242295
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it
myself (different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of
a team synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More
like how Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242300
I also miss the HomeSite customizable toolbar too. Not just for the default
buttons (the table wizard was very handy), but the ability to add my own and
create VTML tag editor for my own tags and what not.
CFE has very few CFML/HTML options on the toolbar.
But perhaps you could also enlighten me as to some tags are auto completed
and some are not, is this editable somewhere?
Russ
Those are two features that are rather requested and I have already added
them (not sure if they are in the stable yet but definately will be in the
next release)
If you have a Dictionary View you can double click and enter functions and
tags. Also I have (in the nightly) a version of right clicking on a tag and
being able to edit it. its pretty neat.
So I am trying to make the product work well as requested by most people.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 00:48, Snake wrote:
----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242301
I have to disagree with that.
Most developers (cf or otherwise) do not use every part of the language
every day, so therefore you do not know all the functions, methods,
attributes off the top of your head (unless your just a total nerd), this is
why editors like homesite are handy, so you do not have to pull your
manual/book out or search livedocs every time you forgot something.
The difference between using notepad or a good editor like homesite can the
difference between having adaquate code or great code because you had the
right tool for the job.
That's like saying if you can't build a house with no mechnical machinary
your not a real builder.
Russ
Homesite was originally designed for non-cf developers. It was also used by
non-developers because it has a great interface. HS+ was a bit of an
appeasement to the CF developers MM lied to when they trashed cf studio
after assuring us they wouldn't. As far as open source goes, don't assume
that I don't see the trend. I just don't like or agree that it is better.
Why is it that if I am not doing my code in some bloated text editor that I
am not really coding? I would say the opposite is true. If you can't do it
in notepad, then you don't know how to code. You shouldn't rely on
crutches. I make a lot of use out of the Jakarta Apache projects open
source code. Like I said...most of the open source stuff is
inconsistent...most does not mean all... If open source has won out, why
does MS and non-open source Unix have the greater market share? In my 8
years of cf development, I have only run into 2 shops that use any open
source software in their production environment. That doesn't sound like a
win for open source to me.
MMMPMMA,
Eric
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Hi Eric, blessed be!
This is one of those age old arguments, Open vs Closed, and there are tons
of docs about development cycles and such, good reads.
They even have names for the types of cycles and whatnot.
I don't think your arguments hold water now adays tho. If they ever did.
"Open" is so open, you'll find all types. By definition.
Some are good, some not so good, but it's been a ton of fun watching the
evolution.
If you can't read the trends, you may still be thinking along old- school
lines of thought. Old, biased lines of thought.
For years I've been using "open" solutions. Just look at the Apache Group
for more examples of stuff that "just works", like MySQL. Lots of examples.
Any large project will have multiple contributor's, or programmers, no
matter if it's open or closed. I don't see "closed" as having some
intrinsic nature of consistency. That's a MS meme; that for some reason,
people seem to buy into, even tho they USE MS products, and could obviously
see the fallacy of that idea.
OpenSource is the way of the future, and if you can't tell that by what's
been going on for the last bit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm not saying everything will be free, but rather, that the people who
believed, for some time, in the ultimate power of "open" vs. "closed", have
been borne out, whereas, the folks who touted "closed is better", haven't.
If you're really "doing cf", you should LOVE the awesome power of eclipse
over HS+ or studio. If you're just note-padding it, for all intents and
purposes, you aren't really coding. Heh, that's a statement.
Seriously though, UML and all this nifty crap, made by coders, for coders,
beats the pants off of some corporate, "name it something friendly, like
'HOMEsite'" type method.
THAT's what turned me off of HS, really. The name. Coding isn't easy.
"Home" makes it sound like a dumbed-down thing.
Why not name it "PROsite". :-P
At any rate, when a colleague and buddy said "there's an eclipse plugin for
CF" (he doens't even do CF much) I was all over it. It seemed "manly". LOL.
Really though, if installing a java runtime is that difficult...
there's something wrong. I hope you run an instance of cf locally, and use
source control and such, but if not...
I've got another colleague/friend who, do to being comfortable with "the old
way", has really been lagging on picking up the new design flow. Insists on
editing live stuff on the production server, leaves temp files, etc.. Sees
the power of the new stuff, but for some reason, hasn't shown initiative in
taking it to the next level.
But a decision from on high has changed things (really it was just the
effects of doing things "the old way"), so now my friend will have to get a
crash-course, vs. a nice, lazy introduction.
If you're interested, open source has probably furthered the "coding"-ness
of coding 1000x fold. It was obvious years ago (to me) that sharing info
would do that.
Guess the main thing people have a problem with is figuring out that when
they help other people, they help themselves as well.
So it's cool that you tout the MS line about open source, but you are
totally wrong on every count, if you ask me.
If you are serious. I just can't see how you could say it looks good on
paper, but not in reality, when it's pretty blatant that OpenSource will be
a key factor in what's to come (And has really proven itself, (as if it
needed to).
Sorry to come off so hard. This is more of an emotional response than a
productive one, but I'm finding out the hard way that if you want to be a
real coder, you have to get with the program. Open Source is here, it's
queer (how do I get $$?), get used to it.
And GPL is just a license, it's pretty unfair to try to link a licence to
software quality. That's not Bud, that's not True.
What looked good on paper, is looking even better in real life, and keeps on
looking better.
Well, that was a rant, sorry, but I had to respond in kind, as it didn't
seem like much research went into your post. No hard feelings, don't take
it personal, just an exchange of rantings, if'n that don't bother folks.
Opensource is something that isn't just linux any more. This is a big
factor for CF based products as well.
Eh. 'Nuff said ;-)
:Denleg
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242302
I don't think you can turn a mohawk into a mullet.
You'd also get a mullett if they'd do it 4 ya ;)
~Dave the disruptor~
I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will
> bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people that
use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe ever
restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242303
There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am concerned.
some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a better os
as well
~Dave the disruptor~
I have been using CFE for nearly 2 months now, and I still miss Homesite. In
fact I keep it open at the same time for the quick reference to tag editor,
function/tag insert and quick help.
CFE has a way to go before it beats CFStudio/homesite for CFML editing.
russ
Definitely do the videos. I'm fairly open to new ideas but again, as I
mentioned in an earlier post, I don't just jump to the next tool because its
the "in" thing. If you're videos do a good job of showing me the benefits,
I'd be more than happy to use CFE.
Rey...
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242323
i think they shaved it a little too deep
~Dave the disruptor~
I don't think you can turn a mohawk into a mullet.
You'd also get a mullett if they'd do it 4 ya ;)
~Dave the disruptor~
I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
dave wrote:
> And why would Adobe add it? It's done, gone and I doubt they will
> bring it
back for the 13 people who want it.
I would venture to say that there are quite a bit more than 13 people that
use it. I know of plenty that still love it. But I don't see Adobe ever
restarting development on a non-money making product.
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242324
im sure
~Dave the disruptor~
There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am concerned.
some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a better os
as well
~Dave the disruptor~
I have been using CFE for nearly 2 months now, and I still miss Homesite. In
fact I keep it open at the same time for the quick reference to tag editor,
function/tag insert and quick help.
CFE has a way to go before it beats CFStudio/homesite for CFML editing.
russ
Definitely do the videos. I'm fairly open to new ideas but again, as I
mentioned in an earlier post, I don't just jump to the next tool because its
the "in" thing. If you're videos do a good job of showing me the benefits,
I'd be more than happy to use CFE.
Rey...
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242329
The next version of CFE has toolbars
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2005/12/19/More-on-the-new-
CFEclipse-Toolbars
You can add whatever tags you want by using snippets. CFE is a CF
editor by trade but we do provide html syntax too.
You can edit the dictionary you are in , in the next version of CFE
you have a choice of which dictionary you use, we have tried to keep
the dictionary as accurate as possible with regards to which tags
close and which dont, and yes if you want to change it you can edit
whichever is your default dictionary (Cfmx7, 6 , 5 or whatever) and
change whether they close or not.
You have been enlightened?
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:33, Snake wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242330
I shall see what I can do about that just for you Dave
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 03:59, dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242331
Good enough? not good enough? Why didnt you like it? what would be
better?
I mean, apart from all the Open Source arguments etc, CFEclipse is a
developer's tool, and we are here to help developers, we listen we
try to add good features to help you develop.
Do you want it *just* like homesite? Will that make lots of people
change? or *just* like dreamweaver? which one would make people happier?
And would it make you feel better if we charged for CFEclipse? Would
that remove the stigma of it being Open Source?
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 04:13, dave wrote:
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Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242332
That's more like it Mark, I may yet be converted :-)
I will have a look at the dictionary's next week and see if I can't
customise CFE to not annoy me :-)
Russ
The next version of CFE has toolbars
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2005/12/19/More-on-the-new-
CFEclipse-Toolbars
You can add whatever tags you want by using snippets. CFE is a CF editor by
trade but we do provide html syntax too.
You can edit the dictionary you are in , in the next version of CFE you have
a choice of which dictionary you use, we have tried to keep the dictionary
as accurate as possible with regards to which tags close and which dont, and
yes if you want to change it you can edit whichever is your default
dictionary (Cfmx7, 6 , 5 or whatever) and change whether they close or not.
You have been enlightened?
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:33, Snake wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242333
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound
exactly like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better
product. So maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes
I use OS X and CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses
Windows. Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best
to show to people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like
it after the initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to
change, even if CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you
coffee and gives you a back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time,
that would be better spend on making it a better product for people
that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it
isnt like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242334
Mark,
I have always voiced what issues I have with ecplise, right now I have none with
cfe, hell you are doing one hella job on it and that's why I stick up for it.
Again, the only issues I have with ECLIPSE are:
1. A design view, which doesn't mean a drag and drop interface wwysiwyg
interface, just to be able to see what my css is doing, nothing more, nothing
less.
2. FTP that is simple and works, if it was like dw where it can upload on save
that would be big shiny tits.
Jared has some info on his site about getting ftp to work but for me its too much
head ache.
3. Ok 1 more and that would be a better way to load up plugins, maybe its just me
or maybe some of these things have issues with intel macs but the only one I can
get to reliably work is CFE. The css ones don't and ftp don't.
4. ok and another thing I don't like about eclipse (which might be configurable,
i dunno) and someone mentioned this before is that in dw i really like it closing
my tag after the first part where eclipse closes it basically when u r almost
done anyways. In both it would be cool if it closed the tag as soon as you narrow
it down but lets you keep typing in the attributes.
And with this particular thread my beef with OS's is that hs is a windows only
and god 4 bid if i am going to go back to windows to use a ancient program.
One of the good things about eclipse is that it is the same across platforms.
~Dave the disruptor~
Good enough? not good enough? Why didnt you like it? what would be
better?
I mean, apart from all the Open Source arguments etc, CFEclipse is a
developer's tool, and we are here to help developers, we listen we
try to add good features to help you develop.
Do you want it *just* like homesite? Will that make lots of people
change? or *just* like dreamweaver? which one would make people happier?
And would it make you feel better if we charged for CFEclipse? Would
that remove the stigma of it being Open Source?
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 04:13, dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242335
Mark,
I am not asking you to do it for me but it seems like a huge issue for a lot of
people. If you ask most people what they think of ftp in ecplise their responce
is "it just sucks" and it's kind of an important part and quite frankly I am
still amazed that ecplise has come this far without a good ftp system.
Mark, I am more than willing to help with anything I can.
~Dave the disruptor~
I shall see what I can do about that just for you Dave
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 03:59, dave wrote:
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Author: Peter J. Farrell
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242339
> Mark,
> I am not asking you to do it for me but it seems like a huge issue for
> a lot of people. If you ask most people what they think of ftp in
> ecplise their responce is "it just sucks" and it's kind of an
> important part and quite frankly I am still amazed that ecplise has
> come this far without a good ftp system.
Probably because a lot of people that use Eclipse are using some sort of SCM
(like Subversion) and run a local development environment (like running CF and
your RDBMS locally). Also, I assume a lot of enterprise places use some sort of
development schedule that creates builds/snapshots of the repository for upload
to a staging server instead of using your staging/production as a development
environment. I never need FTP in Eclipse because that is the type of environment
we use here at work. All developers use their local environment - FTPing to a
server for testing is plain ol'
1998.
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242341
And thats great for people working in groups and in shops but there are others
out there who don't need all that.
It depends on your situation but for me why do 5 things to get it to the server
when you can do 1?
" FTPing to a server for testing is plain ol' 1998"
You mean like using hs?
They way I roll out sites I don't need to do all the additional steps for that
stuff so why do it?
I guess its the same reason people still use old programs like hs, eh.....
~Dave the disruptor~
> Mark,
> I am not asking you to do it for me but it seems like a huge issue for
> a lot of people. If you ask most people what they think of ftp in
> ecplise their responce is "it just sucks" and it's kind of an
> important part and quite frankly I am still amazed that ecplise has
> come this far without a good ftp system.
Probably because a lot of people that use Eclipse are using some sort of SCM
(like Subversion) and run a local development environment (like running CF and
your RDBMS locally). Also, I assume a lot of enterprise places use some sort of
development schedule that creates builds/snapshots of the repository for upload
to a staging server instead of using your staging/production as a development
environment. I never need FTP in Eclipse because that is the type of environment
we use here at work. All developers use their local environment - FTPing to a
server for testing is plain ol' 1998.
Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242344
I just want to say that I like the concept of CFE and what Mark has done
with it so far. I just don't care much for Eclipse's interface and the
amazing breadth and depth of that product. It can easily overwhelm a
person. That has nothing to do with Mark's CFE commitment.
M!ke
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound
exactly like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product.
So maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X
and CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives
you a back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be
better spend on making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it
isnt like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242345
> I just want to say that I like the concept of CFE and what Mark has done
> with it so far. I just don't care much for Eclipse's interface and the
> amazing breadth and depth of that product. It can easily overwhelm a
> person. That has nothing to do with Mark's CFE commitment.
>
> M!ke
Someone could create a dumbed down workspace, package it with
the JVM and new HS-esk toolbars enabled, and I bet that would help
a little. Maybe throw in 1 or 2 of the nifty-er plugins out there...
**
The curious may want to check out MyEclipse, it has nifty stuff.
**
I'll take a look at the html preview idea, I was checking out custom todos,
and html wysiwyg. I'm not very good at java though. =]
:denny
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242346
dave wrote:
> And thats great for people working in groups and in shops but there are
others out there who don't need all that.
> It depends on your situation but for me why do 5 things to get it to the
server when you can do 1?
It still is one thing: hit the deploy button.
> They way I roll out sites I don't need to do all the additional steps for
that stuff so why do it?
Because it allows you to better control the process. It doesn't matter
if you work in a group, in a shop or alone. In all those cases scripting
and instrumenting deployment has benefits. Even in the minimal scripts I
use personally I have integrated backups of the new code, I use an
encrypted connection for uploading and the scripts figure out which
parts of the code is changed and upload only that. And writing the
scripts for that really doesn't take all that long.
What we do at work goes way further. Part of the cycle is that we run
all code through an HTML validator. We compile it into bytecode. We
package it into an EAR file. We run both white and black box regression
tests on everything. Building the infrastructure for that is indeed a
lot of work and you probably don't want to do that for a simple project
(or maybe it is more accurate to say that most small customers won't be
willing to pay for that).
But in either case as a developer, I just communicate with source
control. Everything after that is scripted.
Jochem
Author: C. Hatton Humphrey
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242347
An interesting point, my mother-in-law bought me a copy of CF Studio 5
(Macromedia) as a yard sale for a buck.
Had both books and the original CD so I assume it's legitimate.
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242348
Yeah one of the big things with it is that most of these people can't even afford
what they get let alone all the good stuff.
Honestly, part of that problem for me is I don't really know enough about it to
get into it. Is there any good links you have handy?
I wish I could just sit around for a day and figure it out but right now I'm
currently working on 18 sites and I have an offer of well over 200 more and if i
take those then I can see me taking a week off (when i get caught up) and really
learning the other things such as this and really get into the model-glue,
reactor, coldspring stuff.
~Dave the disruptor~
dave wrote:
> And thats great for people working in groups and in shops but there are
others out there who don't need all that.
> It depends on your situation but for me why do 5 things to get it to the
server when you can do 1?
It still is one thing: hit the deploy button.
> They way I roll out sites I don't need to do all the additional steps for
that stuff so why do it?
Because it allows you to better control the process. It doesn't matter
if you work in a group, in a shop or alone. In all those cases scripting
and instrumenting deployment has benefits. Even in the minimal scripts I
use personally I have integrated backups of the new code, I use an
encrypted connection for uploading and the scripts figure out which
parts of the code is changed and upload only that. And writing the
scripts for that really doesn't take all that long.
What we do at work goes way further. Part of the cycle is that we run
all code through an HTML validator. We compile it into bytecode. We
package it into an EAR file. We run both white and black box regression
tests on everything. Building the infrastructure for that is indeed a
lot of work and you probably don't want to do that for a simple project
(or maybe it is more accurate to say that most small customers won't be
willing to pay for that).
But in either case as a developer, I just communicate with source
control. Everything after that is scripted.
Jochem
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242349
As I said, I have been using cfeclipse for 2 months now, so that hardly
translate to "I am never going to change".
Changing your IDE is one thing, but you can't expect everyone to change
their OS as well, like most people I have years of time and money invested
in windows and the associated software, so no I'm going to be changing that
any time soon. I like windows.
Russ
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound exactly
like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product. So
maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X and
CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives you a
back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be better spend on
making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it isnt
like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
> There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a
> better os as well
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242350
no one said u didnt, my god
the point was it doesnt run on anything but winblows and other people choose to
use other os's, lets see how much you like windows when/if vista comes out and
you cant even run hs anymore or half your other tools and you are still left with
a half ass imitaion of osx..............
~Dave the disruptor~
As I said, I have been using cfeclipse for 2 months now, so that hardly
translate to "I am never going to change".
Changing your IDE is one thing, but you can't expect everyone to change
their OS as well, like most people I have years of time and money invested
in windows and the associated software, so no I'm going to be changing that
any time soon. I like windows.
Russ
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound exactly
like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product. So
maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X and
CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives you a
back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be better spend on
making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it isnt
like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
> There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a
> better os as well
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242351
hahahahaha! I'm just floored how this has blossomed into a full on
debate about operating systems & version control systems.
Man, I should ask simple questions more often!!!
hahahahaaha!
~Rey the impaler~
http://www.reybango.com
dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242352
lol no kidding!!!
I like your new nickname!
~Dave the disruptor~
hahahahaha! I'm just floored how this has blossomed into a full on
debate about operating systems & version control systems.
Man, I should ask simple questions more often!!!
hahahahaaha!
~Rey the impaler~
http://www.reybango.com
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242353
;o)
dave wrote:
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Author: Greg Luce
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242354
FTP is a problem with Homesite? Please elaborate on the HS FTP issues. I've
worked mainly through FTP in Studio and Homesite for 5+ years without any
problems. Eclipse on the other hand isn't as great with FTP from the few
times I've tried. That's primarily why I've never converted.
Greg
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242356
No, ftp is a problem with eclipse.
" Eclipse on the other hand isn't as great with FTP from the few
times I've tried. That's primarily why I've never converted."
Exactly what I am saying.......
~Dave the disruptor~
FTP is a problem with Homesite? Please elaborate on the HS FTP issues. I've
worked mainly through FTP in Studio and Homesite for 5+ years without any
problems. Eclipse on the other hand isn't as great with FTP from the few
times I've tried. That's primarily why I've never converted.
Greg
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242360
As I've said before, I think the ftp support is better in the latest nightly
builds then it is in the latest stable release. I've used it for months and
the only issue I've had was that after it times out, CFE doesn't handle it
very gracefully, but I think even that has improved in the latest version.
In any case, you should try to stay away from ftp anyway and use subversion
instead for deployments.
Russ
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242363
At least you are getting it to work.
~Dave the disruptor~
As I've said before, I think the ftp support is better in the latest nightly
builds then it is in the latest stable release. I've used it for months and
the only issue I've had was that after it times out, CFE doesn't handle it
very gracefully, but I think even that has improved in the latest version.
In any case, you should try to stay away from ftp anyway and use subversion
instead for deployments.
Russ
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242365
Have you not gotten it to work at all with the latest stable build? I think
there were some issues with the active/passive settings, and I believe
CFEclipse only have one setting? Once I changed some settings on our ftp
server, things were working fairly smooth.
Russ
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242367
no, i cant even get the latest build to reconize it or the css plugin, i did put
in the nightly build of cfe but its not showing up in the updater either.
~Dave the disruptor~
Have you not gotten it to work at all with the latest stable build? I think
there were some issues with the active/passive settings, and I believe
CFEclipse only have one setting? Once I changed some settings on our ftp
server, things were working fairly smooth.
Russ
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242368
> no, i cant even get the latest build to reconize it or the css plugin, i
> did put in the nightly build of cfe but its not showing up in the updater
> either.
Is there a css plugin with cfe? I didn't think so... are you talking about
webtools? Or MyEclipse?
The nightly shouldn't show up in the updater, but it should list the version
in the: help > software updates > manage config.
I might be confused though (re: css plugin ;).
When I asked if you'd tried the eclipse team ftp plugin you said "yup", I
assume it wouldn't connect to your server? Too bad, I love how it syncs the
files and compares and all that. But I don't use ftp, bleh, I refuse to run
it as a service even.
It looks like maybe some interest is gathering on the eclipse side for
better SSH and yes, FTP support, so give it a little time, and you'll be
pleasantly surprised. There is also the RSE plugin, gathering steam, I
tried it, and it's linking up files and providing SSH terminals. Woot.
Makes me feel all warm inside.
:D
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242370
Something else I just found...last night I went to d/l it and got eclipse
installed. Went to get cfeclipse through the recommended process and it
said that there were no updates (fresh install of eclipse with no cfeclipse)
Was there a prob with the server last night? I ended up just downloading
the plugin and adding it manually.
Eric
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it myself
(different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of a team
synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More like how
Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242372
I always download the plugin manually... weird thing though... couldn't get
the latest nightly build to work... is it currently broken?
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242373
I ran into this as well before and as it turned out almost all the links were
wrong on peoples sites and as soon as the new link was entered it was fine. Of
course I forget what that link is now.
~Dave the disruptor~
Something else I just found...last night I went to d/l it and got eclipse
installed. Went to get cfeclipse through the recommended process and it
said that there were no updates (fresh install of eclipse with no cfeclipse)
Was there a prob with the server last night? I ended up just downloading
the plugin and adding it manually.
Eric
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it myself
(different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of a team
synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More like how
Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242374
No i was "trying" to use the standard one.
I don't mind waiting for it to get right because apparently I must have a "magic"
copy of dw that doesn't bring my puter to it's knees ;)~ maybe its just the os i
use (just to egg on mohawk boy)
~Dave the disruptor~
>
> no, i cant even get the latest build to reconize it or the css plugin, i
> did put in the nightly build of cfe but its not showing up in the updater
> either.
Is there a css plugin with cfe? I didn't think so... are you talking about
webtools? Or MyEclipse?
The nightly shouldn't show up in the updater, but it should list the version
in the: help > software updates > manage config.
I might be confused though (re: css plugin ;).
When I asked if you'd tried the eclipse team ftp plugin you said "yup", I
assume it wouldn't connect to your server? Too bad, I love how it syncs the
files and compares and all that. But I don't use ftp, bleh, I refuse to run
it as a service even.
It looks like maybe some interest is gathering on the eclipse side for
better SSH and yes, FTP support, so give it a little time, and you'll be
pleasantly surprised. There is also the RSE plugin, gathering steam, I
tried it, and it's linking up files and providing SSH terminals. Woot.
Makes me feel all warm inside.
:D
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242375
shouldn't be, I got it earlier today
~Dave the disruptor~
I always download the plugin manually... weird thing though... couldn't get
the latest nightly build to work... is it currently broken?
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242376
> No i was "trying" to use the standard one.
> I don't mind waiting for it to get right because apparently I must have a
> "magic" copy of dw that doesn't bring my puter to it's knees ;)~ maybe its
> just the os i use (just to egg on mohawk boy)
Heh. Hrm, then the eclipse one is probably outta your comfort level. It's
nifty when it works though.
For whatever reasons, syncing with DW never really worked that good for me.
Lots of false positives, and server times being off or whatever.
But DW8 is a swell ap, I'm not turned off by the load time. Good stuff in
thar, fo sure.
Specially liked how they added the SSH connection option. Woot! I coudln't
use FTP
no more...
:D
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242377
I guess its the same reason people still use old programs like hs, eh.....
~Dave the disruptor~
Touché Mr. Pussycat? Hehehe
Eric
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242378
That will be with 2 packets of splenda ;-)
Eric
<snipped>even if CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you
coffee and gives you a back-rub, <snipped>
Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242379
dave wrote:
> Yeah one of the big things with it is that most of these people can't even
afford what they get let alone all the good stuff.
>
> Honestly, part of that problem for me is I don't really know enough about it
to get into it. Is there any good links you have handy?
Probably the best place to start is the CFDJ Intro to Ant article:
http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/43787.htm
With that and the Ant manual you should be well on your way.
Jochem
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242380
Err, up to date libraries -- of what? help files/insight, I got the HS updates if
I need them.
Tag Editors, -- no thanks in any IDE, I know the language.
Snippets -- HS has snippets (code templates). I just type sel and hit ctrl+j and
in pops:
<cfquery name="q" datasource="#request.dsn#">
Select
From
Where
</cfquery>
comp and ctrl+j gives me:
<cfcomponent displayname="" hint="">
<cffunction name="init" access="public" returntype="">
<!--- do nothing Pseudo constructor --->
<cfreturn this>
</cffunction>
<cffunction name="" access="public" output="false" hint="">
<cfargument name="" required="" default="" />
<cfset var = />
<cfreturn />
</cffunction>
</cfcomponent>
and I've got about 95 more of those set up as well.
CFC support! -- what does that even mean??? Support for what, exactly?
Support from Adobe if you are doing Crud Methods etc. -- again, huh? What support
is needed? Maybe I need their support and just don't realize it, but I never find
myself working in HS and wishing I had Adobe support for CRUD methods.
I like CFE and as I've said plenty of times, I run it at home on my Mac, but when
on a pc, I still just don't see any incentive to move.
--Ferg
Mark Drew wrote:
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Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242381
Or Pussy OS's like OSX :-)
I guess its the same reason people still use old programs like hs, eh.....
~Dave the disruptor~
Touché Mr. Pussycat? Hehehe
Eric
Author: Snake
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242382
Whatever Dave, you have a dirty mouth and your rude to everyone, so I
couldn't care less what you think of windows or what OS you use. Perhaps
your time would be better spent taking classes on "how to get on with other
humans" rather than preaching about OSX.
snake
no one said u didnt, my god
the point was it doesnt run on anything but winblows and other people choose
to use other os's, lets see how much you like windows when/if vista comes
out and you cant even run hs anymore or half your other tools and you are
still left with a half ass imitaion of osx..............
~Dave the disruptor~
As I said, I have been using cfeclipse for 2 months now, so that hardly
translate to "I am never going to change".
Changing your IDE is one thing, but you can't expect everyone to change
their OS as well, like most people I have years of time and money invested
in windows and the associated software, so no I'm going to be changing that
any time soon. I like windows.
Russ
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound exactly
like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product. So
maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X and
CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives you a
back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be better spend on
making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it isnt
like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
> There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a
> better os as well
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Ken Ferguson
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242383
1. OK, I don't personally find this particularly useful, but cool. I
have always wondered why HS color codes sql in a .sql file, but not in a
.cfm file. I mean, it colors js css in cfm files.
2. Very cool indeed. I like that quite a lot.
3. Sounds cool - that might be nice.
4. Don't think I'd find that very useful.
5. Doesn't everyone keep test.cfm in the dev root for this anyway?
6. HS has these as well and I think the HS code templates are at least
as good as CFE's snippets.
7. Neat?
8. This is one thing I really do like in CFE - this is really great.
9. Cool.
10. Once again, cool, but I don't think I really care too much.
As for help, I think I actually like the CFE livedocs access better the
way it is now. I can't remember the last time I used the built-in help
files even though the ld's are slow on a scale that's almost geologic.
--Ferg
Munson, Jacob wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242395
> I am sure I could have come up with the features, but sometimes you
> cant see the wood for trees, and also since I dont use HomeSite, I
> cant remember what it can and cannot do!
>
> I might have to blog these if you dont mind?
Go ahead. :)
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Author: Eric Roberts
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It should be http://www.cfeclipse.org/update like it says on the site. This
has always worked before.
Eric
I ran into this as well before and as it turned out almost all the links
were wrong on peoples sites and as soon as the new link was entered it was
fine. Of course I forget what that link is now.
~Dave the disruptor~
Something else I just found...last night I went to d/l it and got eclipse
installed. Went to get cfeclipse through the recommended process and it said
that there were no updates (fresh install of eclipse with no cfeclipse) Was
there a prob with the server last night? I ended up just downloading the
plugin and adding it manually.
Eric
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it myself
(different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of a team
synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More like how
Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242404
Thanks for posting that...I was wondering what ANT was all about.
dave wrote:
> Yeah one of the big things with it is that most of these people can't even
afford what they get let alone all the good stuff.
>
> Honestly, part of that problem for me is I don't really know enough about
it to get into it. Is there any good links you have handy?
Probably the best place to start is the CFDJ Intro to Ant article:
http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/43787.htm
With that and the Ant manual you should be well on your way.
Jochem
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242407
Actually...things are quite the opposite with many developers also working
from home. Most of the time we don't have access to the data locally from
db's that are either at the company's site or at their host. That is why
ftp is important. I do a lot of consulting work where I am not at the
client's site on a regular basis...sometimes even completely doing it from
home.
Eric
> Mark,
> I am not asking you to do it for me but it seems like a huge issue for
> a lot of people. If you ask most people what they think of ftp in
> ecplise their responce is "it just sucks" and it's kind of an
> important part and quite frankly I am still amazed that ecplise has
> come this far without a good ftp system.
Probably because a lot of people that use Eclipse are using some sort of SCM
(like Subversion) and run a local development environment (like running CF
and your RDBMS locally). Also, I assume a lot of enterprise places use some
sort of development schedule that creates builds/snapshots of the repository
for upload to a staging server instead of using your staging/production as
a development environment. I never need FTP in Eclipse because that is the
type of environment we use here at work. All developers use their local
environment - FTPing to a server for testing is plain ol' 1998.
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242408
+1 for the quickdocs, I liked that too.
As for the rest, Ferg, you are probably better off with a tool like
DW or (maybe) HS/CFStud.
Working sets ROCK, the snippets are real powerful, somehow
I think better than HS, but I don't know for sure.
Viewing logs is probably more for people who develop local and
upload somewhere else, but it's real handy, if you do that.
I don't think CFE needs converts, if you ask me. There's plenty
to do already, and more people with the wrong mindset won't
help the flow of chi, or whatnot.
Mostly these[1] are attempts at "heads up" to the CF users out
there, if you ask me. 'Specially for "power CFers".
The mindset is just plain different from HS, DW, CFStu. tho,
and I'd hate to see people with the wrong idea get involved.
ICFE is currently aimed more at coders than "designers", if'n'
you're a WYSIWYG designer, stick with DW/whatnot.
And CFE is has some rough edges, which is why people
with the commercial mindset worry me. CFE coders don't
make money off of selling CFE. Chocolate or beer goes
further than complaints to management, or whatever.
[1]the posts about how cool CFE is. It's not better, just different,
and the way of the future (but that's besides the point ;).
:denster
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Author: Munson, Jacob
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I think it's a matter of popularity and marketing. Which was better VHS
or Beta? Is Windows a better server than Linux, or is it just more
popular and deeply ingraned? I think it depends on your needs, and
who's available to administer it. Windows works, but in my opinion it's
not as lean, agile and efficient as Linux. By the way, Microsoft
doesn't have near as much of a strangle hold on the server market as
they do on the desktop. And, there is one example I can think of where
open source has won, and that's in web servers. I know most CF shops
use IIS, for some reason, but Apache currently holds 64% of the market:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html
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Author: Munson, Jacob
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> I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
Adobe has made it clear that CFE is their supported platform of choice
for CF coders. And I was told by a Macromedia employee at CFUnited last
year that HS will not have any additional feature releases. They will
release CF compatibility updates, as long as necessary, but don't hold
your breath for any new features, nor bug fixes.
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Author: Munson, Jacob
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> 1. A design view, which doesn't mean a drag and drop
> interface wwysiwyg interface, just to be able to see what my
> css is doing, nothing more, nothing less.
There's the browser tab. Not as handy as the HS design tab, but it
basically does the same thing.
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Author: Munson, Jacob
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> As for help, I think I actually like the CFE livedocs access
> better the
> way it is now. I can't remember the last time I used the
> built-in help
> files even though the ld's are slow on a scale that's almost geologic.
Excuse the personal plug, but I totally agree with you here, and that's
why I built CFQuickDocs:
http://techfeed.net/cfQuickDocs/
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Author: Ken Ferguson
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How in the world would I be better off with DW? I find HS a little
better than CFE, but I find a fat crayon and construction paper better,
or at very least less frustrating, than freakin' DreamWeaver. I thought
I'd made that point fairly clear. I think you may be misreading me. I
dig CFE; I just think it's not quite as usable as HS yet.
That said, I'm gonna give CFE another shot for the remainder of this
month. Is there any tool that will automate the move of my 97 code
templates from the HS dat file into the CFE snippets, or is that
something I'm going to have to either make or do manually?
--Ferg
Denny Valliant wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242426
Nope. It didn't work for me. I installed the most stable version of
Eclipse and had to install CFEclipse manually...and this was last night.
And on a different note, the FTP plugin stinks. Constant disconnects.
Rey...
Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242431
MMA Eric!
>
> Actually...things are quite the opposite with many developers also working
> from home. Most of the time we don't have access to the data locally from
> db's that are either at the company's site or at their host. That is why
> ftp is important. I do a lot of consulting work where I am not at the
> client's site on a regular basis...sometimes even completely doing it from
> home.
They shouldn't be quite the opposite (if you ask me, but I'm just some
dude).
SVN lets you have a local repository. Most DBs make it pretty easy to
synchronize subsets of data, so there's no reason not to have some locally.
And if you're FTPing stuff, you do know that it's all in plain text, and
that
FTP is one of the worst standards for file transfer? Every freaking FTP
server does it it's own way. Real easy to code for, neh?
All that data you're sending to your clients is basically in plain view
for anyone who's looking for it.
I would strongly recommend (and this is coming from someone who
has been doing quite a bit of work from home lately) you start a local
SVN repository, just for your own sake (it's really freaking awesome!),
and maybe start using a tool like rsync or at least an SSH/webDAV
plugin for data transfer (if you can't connect to a remote repository).
ESPECIALLY since you're probably crossing networks and such to
get data to your client's machines (dunno, maybe you have a T1
straight to "client central" *giggles*).
You must be a "lone coder" sorta like myself... someday tho,
mark my words, you'll have to work with people who know what
they're doing, maybe even as part of a team, so knowing this stuff
is good if that ever happens (even if it's just the team part :).
I think the real fact of the matter is that CF is a language that
makes it easy to "just do it", and that's why you've got so many
people who never learn the "why" part, or whatever, till they have
to. A general observation, not directed.
I love the fact that if my laptop took a flying leap off a tall building,
all my code (all 25675 iterations of it) would still be safe, and
instantly available from another workstation.
What's cool is if you got an old machine just sitting around in
your home -- Use it for a SVN repository! Even if your clients
don't use VC, you will, and you'll LOVE IT! I swear!
Sorry for trying to convert you while saying it's ok to stay
how you are. I'm just a dork. --
And I have issues - I deal with someone I'm on a team with
who is just dragging their feet on the whole "dev and test
local, upload to dev, THEN production" (we still don't have QA:).
So don't think I'm assuming you don't test local and all that jazz.
(my person who is lagging just moaned and moaned when I turned
off FTP, so it's linked sorta, in my head- whoops! My bad.)
'Probably cuz I'm a virgo-cusp, and you know how those cuspers are.
So if any negative vibes comes through, it's a personal issue, not
related to anything. (see, I suck, real doods don't let that happen).
Peace be with you (apologies for rehashing an age old issue, CF-T!)
& one love,
:Denizen
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242432
right and I even do a lot when traveling
~Dave the disruptor~
Actually...things are quite the opposite with many developers also working
from home. Most of the time we don't have access to the data locally from
db's that are either at the company's site or at their host. That is why
ftp is important. I do a lot of consulting work where I am not at the
client's site on a regular basis...sometimes even completely doing it from
home.
Eric
Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242434
> That said, I'm gonna give CFE another shot for the remainder of this
> month. Is there any tool that will automate the move of my 97 code
> templates from the HS dat file into the CFE snippets, or is that
> something I'm going to have to either make or do manually?
I'm pretty sure there is a tool out there, there was mention of it here
on CF-Talk a couple of months ago. If you don't find it searching the
CF-talk archives, look in the cfeclipse mailing list archives. Or fire
of an email to that list.
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242436
agreed
my whole point to all this was that the writings on the wall for legacy products
like hs and if Adobe chooses to gives us our own cfm tool again that it most
likely will be via eclipse but they surely won't be making a platform specific
tool in the future, especially if their new universal bianary products are as
fast as the apple ones are.
Nothing more nothing less....... I'm sure I said it wrong but you all know I do
that everytime.
~Dave the disruptor~
+1 for the quickdocs, I liked that too.
As for the rest, Ferg, you are probably better off with a tool like
DW or (maybe) HS/CFStud.
Working sets ROCK, the snippets are real powerful, somehow
I think better than HS, but I don't know for sure.
Viewing logs is probably more for people who develop local and
upload somewhere else, but it's real handy, if you do that.
I don't think CFE needs converts, if you ask me. There's plenty
to do already, and more people with the wrong mindset won't
help the flow of chi, or whatnot.
Mostly these[1] are attempts at "heads up" to the CF users out
there, if you ask me. 'Specially for "power CFers".
The mindset is just plain different from HS, DW, CFStu. tho,
and I'd hate to see people with the wrong idea get involved.
ICFE is currently aimed more at coders than "designers", if'n'
you're a WYSIWYG designer, stick with DW/whatnot.
And CFE is has some rough edges, which is why people
with the commercial mindset worry me. CFE coders don't
make money off of selling CFE. Chocolate or beer goes
further than complaints to management, or whatever.
[1]the posts about how cool CFE is. It's not better, just different,
and the way of the future (but that's besides the point ;).
:denster
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242440
And this comes from captain poser, you should change your name to garter snake.
~Dave the disruptor~
Or Pussy OS's like OSX :-)
I guess its the same reason people still use old programs like hs, eh.....
~Dave the disruptor~
Touché Mr. Pussycat? Hehehe
Eric
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242441
That hasnt worked for me for awhile, was a diff one
~Dave the disruptor~
It should be http://www.cfeclipse.org/update like it says on the site. This
has always worked before.
Eric
I ran into this as well before and as it turned out almost all the links
were wrong on peoples sites and as soon as the new link was entered it was
fine. Of course I forget what that link is now.
~Dave the disruptor~
Something else I just found...last night I went to d/l it and got eclipse
installed. Went to get cfeclipse through the recommended process and it said
that there were no updates (fresh install of eclipse with no cfeclipse) Was
there a prob with the server last night? I ended up just downloading the
plugin and adding it manually.
Eric
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it myself
(different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of a team
synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More like how
Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242443
whatever poser boy, i wasnt preaching osx and ur the one who's panties got all
ripped up because i "mentioned" that hs doesnt run on any other os. And fyi, i
get along with people just great, not so much over the lists but in person i
sure do and thats one reason why i do so well and I hate to tell ya but you are
no better than i am on here!
Perhaps you should spend your time moving on past the poser hair band days.
:)
~Dave the disruptor~
Whatever Dave, you have a dirty mouth and your rude to everyone, so I
couldn't care less what you think of windows or what OS you use. Perhaps
your time would be better spent taking classes on "how to get on with other
humans" rather than preaching about OSX.
snake
no one said u didnt, my god
the point was it doesnt run on anything but winblows and other people choose
to use other os's, lets see how much you like windows when/if vista comes
out and you cant even run hs anymore or half your other tools and you are
still left with a half ass imitaion of osx..............
~Dave the disruptor~
As I said, I have been using cfeclipse for 2 months now, so that hardly
translate to "I am never going to change".
Changing your IDE is one thing, but you can't expect everyone to change
their OS as well, like most people I have years of time and money invested
in windows and the associated software, so no I'm going to be changing that
any time soon. I like windows.
Russ
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound exactly
like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product. So
maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X and
CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives you a
back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be better spend on
making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it isnt
like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
> There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a
> better os as well
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242444
I didnt actually go read that yet but how is it on a shared servers?
~Dave the disruptor~
Thanks for posting that...I was wondering what ANT was all about.
dave wrote:
> Yeah one of the big things with it is that most of these people can't even
afford what they get let alone all the good stuff.
>
> Honestly, part of that problem for me is I don't really know enough about
it to get into it. Is there any good links you have handy?
Probably the best place to start is the CFDJ Intro to Ant article:
http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/43787.htm
With that and the Ant manual you should be well on your way.
Jochem
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242445
I think the one that works is at sourceforge, i cant find the link though.
I'm sure Mark can give us the correct one.
Yesterday I just downloaded the nightly build from Marks site and put it in the
plugin folder
~Dave the disruptor~
Nope. It didn't work for me. I installed the most stable version of
Eclipse and had to install CFEclipse manually...and this was last night.
And on a different note, the FTP plugin stinks. Constant disconnects.
Rey...
Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242447
i dont like u and u dont like me yet i am prety sure we will both live.... we
can take this off list not on here
~Dave the disruptor~
Whatever Dave, you have a dirty mouth and your rude to everyone, so I
couldn't care less what you think of windows or what OS you use. Perhaps
your time would be better spent taking classes on "how to get on with other
humans" rather than preaching about OSX.
snake
no one said u didnt, my god
the point was it doesnt run on anything but winblows and other people choose
to use other os's, lets see how much you like windows when/if vista comes
out and you cant even run hs anymore or half your other tools and you are
still left with a half ass imitaion of osx..............
~Dave the disruptor~
As I said, I have been using cfeclipse for 2 months now, so that hardly
translate to "I am never going to change".
Changing your IDE is one thing, but you can't expect everyone to change
their OS as well, like most people I have years of time and money invested
in windows and the associated software, so no I'm going to be changing that
any time soon. I like windows.
Russ
Why does some of the arguments about HomeS**te Vs CFEclipse sound exactly
like OS X Vs Windows or Linux vs Windows or Vi vs Emacs?
I like CFEclipse so much I actually started making it a better product. So
maybe I have a vested interest in being the minority, yes I use OS X and
CFEclipse, sorry, I dont use Windows and HomeS**te.
but I am still working on a product for the community that uses Windows.
Stop the madness and mud slinging. I shall try to do my best to show to
people why CFEclipse is different and why you might like it after the
initial trial of learning it, but if you arent going to change, even if
CFEclipse writes the code for you whilst it makes you coffee and gives you a
back-rub, I would see this as a waste of time, that would be better spend on
making it a better product for people that use it.
At the end of the day, I get no benefit on "more" people using it, it isnt
like I am selling the dammed thing.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 13:43, Snake wrote:
> There is no better OS than the one I am using as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> some people do more than cfm editing and some ppl choose to use a
> better os as well
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242448
Actually some good points and its something that a lot of people don't learn and
probably should be talked about it bit more. A lot of people learn cfm by picking
up WACK and going through it but you don't learn much about these types of things
from books like that. Kinda the same way as they dont queryparam their queries
in the books and then the people reading them don't know why people are always
telling them to do it.
~Dave the disruptor~
MMA Eric!
>
> Actually...things are quite the opposite with many developers also working
> from home. Most of the time we don't have access to the data locally from
> db's that are either at the company's site or at their host. That is why
> ftp is important. I do a lot of consulting work where I am not at the
> client's site on a regular basis...sometimes even completely doing it from
> home.
They shouldn't be quite the opposite (if you ask me, but I'm just some
dude).
SVN lets you have a local repository. Most DBs make it pretty easy to
synchronize subsets of data, so there's no reason not to have some locally.
And if you're FTPing stuff, you do know that it's all in plain text, and
that
FTP is one of the worst standards for file transfer? Every freaking FTP
server does it it's own way. Real easy to code for, neh?
All that data you're sending to your clients is basically in plain view
for anyone who's looking for it.
I would strongly recommend (and this is coming from someone who
has been doing quite a bit of work from home lately) you start a local
SVN repository, just for your own sake (it's really freaking awesome!),
and maybe start using a tool like rsync or at least an SSH/webDAV
plugin for data transfer (if you can't connect to a remote repository).
ESPECIALLY since you're probably crossing networks and such to
get data to your client's machines (dunno, maybe you have a T1
straight to "client central" *giggles*).
You must be a "lone coder" sorta like myself... someday tho,
mark my words, you'll have to work with people who know what
they're doing, maybe even as part of a team, so knowing this stuff
is good if that ever happens (even if it's just the team part :).
I think the real fact of the matter is that CF is a language that
makes it easy to "just do it", and that's why you've got so many
people who never learn the "why" part, or whatever, till they have
to. A general observation, not directed.
I love the fact that if my laptop took a flying leap off a tall building,
all my code (all 25675 iterations of it) would still be safe, and
instantly available from another workstation.
What's cool is if you got an old machine just sitting around in
your home -- Use it for a SVN repository! Even if your clients
don't use VC, you will, and you'll LOVE IT! I swear!
Sorry for trying to convert you while saying it's ok to stay
how you are. I'm just a dork. --
And I have issues - I deal with someone I'm on a team with
who is just dragging their feet on the whole "dev and test
local, upload to dev, THEN production" (we still don't have QA:).
So don't think I'm assuming you don't test local and all that jazz.
(my person who is lagging just moaned and moaned when I turned
off FTP, so it's linked sorta, in my head- whoops! My bad.)
'Probably cuz I'm a virgo-cusp, and you know how those cuspers are.
So if any negative vibes comes through, it's a personal issue, not
related to anything. (see, I suck, real doods don't let that happen).
Peace be with you (apologies for rehashing an age old issue, CF-T!)
& one love,
:Denizen
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242451
It doesnt seem to be real accurate though. For example last night i was working
on a site and I wanted to wrap certain paragraphs with a border and I made the
border, ftp'd it and good see it in dw or live just fine but in cfe it didnt
change until after I closed cfe down and re-opened it.
~Dave the disruptor~
> 1. A design view, which doesn't mean a drag and drop
> interface wwysiwyg interface, just to be able to see what my
> css is doing, nothing more, nothing less.
There's the browser tab. Not as handy as the HS design tab, but it
basically does the same thing.
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Author: dave
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sorry bout my comments to someone-in-perticular.
my meaning was very mistaken and he wont move on.
~Dave the disruptor~
> That said, I'm gonna give CFE another shot for the remainder of this
> month. Is there any tool that will automate the move of my 97 code
> templates from the HS dat file into the CFE snippets, or is that
> something I'm going to have to either make or do manually?
I'm pretty sure there is a tool out there, there was mention of it here
on CF-Talk a couple of months ago. If you don't find it searching the
CF-talk archives, look in the cfeclipse mailing list archives. Or fire
of an email to that list.
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242457
Hi Denny,
I guess us commercial, non-power CF'ers with the wrong mindset will just
stick with other tools then. Hey Dave, Snake & Ferg, how does it feel to
be part of "commercial, non-power CF'ers, designers/coder wannabes with
the wrong mindset" group? I'm feeling pretty damn good.
Rey...
Denny Valliant wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242461
" Adobe has made it clear that CFE is their supported platform of choice
for CF coders. And I was told by a Macromedia employee at CFUnited last
year that HS will not have any additional feature releases. They will
release CF compatibility updates, as long as necessary, but don't hold
your breath for any new features, nor bug fixes. "
thank u, that was my whole point
~Dave the disruptor~
> I have to say, I would buy HS if they continued releasing it.
Adobe has made it clear that CFE is their supported platform of choice
for CF coders. And I was told by a Macromedia employee at CFUnited last
year that HS will not have any additional feature releases. They will
release CF compatibility updates, as long as necessary, but don't hold
your breath for any new features, nor bug fixes.
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242468
Hi Denny,
I guess us commercial, non-power CF'ers with the wrong mindset will just
stick with other tools then. Hey Dave, Snake & Ferg, how does it feel to
be part of "commercial, non-power CF'ers, designers/coder wannabes with
the wrong mindset" group? I'm feeling pretty damn good.
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242469
But it wasn't the point of the thread, hijacker!
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242470
Okay, so yeah, does anyone know if I there's an update for CFMX 7 tags
in HS/CF Studio 5? ;o)
Rey...
dave wrote:
> whatever poser boy, i wasnt preaching osx and ur the one who's panties got
all ripped up because i "mentioned" that hs doesnt run on any other os. And fyi,
i get along with people just great, not so much over the lists but in person i
sure do and thats one reason why i do so well and I hate to tell ya but you are
no better than i am on here!
>
> Perhaps you should spend your time moving on past the poser hair band days.
>
> :)
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242475
Oh i always feel good!! haha
Hey no matter what we say or what we do on here we are still together as a group
and even through arguments and disagreements it's important to keep that going.
Maybe I am doing things wrong but I sure make a lot more money than most of the
guys doing it "right", so I will call it my "hs" and be happy with it!
~Dave the disruptor~
Hi Denny,
I guess us commercial, non-power CF'ers with the wrong mindset will just
stick with other tools then. Hey Dave, Snake & Ferg, how does it feel to
be part of "commercial, non-power CF'ers, designers/coder wannabes with
the wrong mindset" group? I'm feeling pretty damn good.
Rey...
Denny Valliant wrote:
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Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242481
dave wrote:
> I didnt actually go read that yet but how is it on a shared servers?
It typically doesn't run on the server but somewhere on development /
test / QA. Try it, the worst that can happen is that you like it :)
Jochem
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242483
yeah there is, its at http://www.cfeclipse.org/ haha!!
~Dave the disruptor~
Okay, so yeah, does anyone know if I there's an update for CFMX 7 tags
in HS/CF Studio 5? ;o)
Rey...
dave wrote:
> whatever poser boy, i wasnt preaching osx and ur the one who's panties got
all ripped up because i "mentioned" that hs doesnt run on any other os. And fyi,
i get along with people just great, not so much over the lists but in person i
sure do and thats one reason why i do so well and I hate to tell ya but you are
no better than i am on here!
>
> Perhaps you should spend your time moving on past the poser hair band days.
>
> :)
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242485
yeah well.......
things change........
except u and hs!! ;)~
~Dave the disruptor~
But it wasn't the point of the thread, hijacker!
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242486
I only glanced at that article and I thought it said you had to install stuff on
the server, when I get a break later I will read it :) It certainly interests me.
Thanks Jochem
~Dave the disruptor~
dave wrote:
> I didnt actually go read that yet but how is it on a shared servers?
It typically doesn't run on the server but somewhere on development /
test / QA. Try it, the worst that can happen is that you like it :)
Jochem
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242488
Its CFStudio! Get your editors straight! ;)
Rye...
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242489
> Maybe I am doing things wrong but I sure make a lot more money than most of
the guys doing it "right", so I will call it my "hs" and be happy with it!
Seems that we have a common theme. ;)
Rey...
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242490
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Yes, Rey, that's what I meant. That's why I qualify WIS so much. :P~
Seriously tho, Hey Vinne, Hugo, and Desmond, how do you like waffles?
I'm eating some right now, they're good(tm). :-))
Didn't mean to come off so harsh on the folks who are happy where they
are, man. It's good to be happy, and that's what really matters.
I would FAR prefer you to use a tool you are happy using than to switch
to one *I* use that doesn't make you happy. And you like to let people
know when you're not happy, so PLEASE don't start using CFE. You, a
fellow user, being unhappy would make me unhappy.
Just wait till you HAVE to switch, and I'll bet you'll be MUCH happier.
Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to
find dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff
will be there for you.
Ferg, I probably did misread you, I'm usually only partly in this
universe, so it shows. My main point was how swell open source
is, with the proper mind-set. See, with open source, there is no
room to complain, because YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF.
If you don't like X, or want Y, YOU CAN DO IT! YES! No waiting
for some other person to get off their ass! At least it's never
forced, as in you are NEVER forced to wait for something, or
get enough support behind an idea to have it come to fruition.
You can do it!
But that concept is one that a lot of folks don't seem to get,
and I think I don't get it either, so no biggie.
As for the util for converting snippits, take a look at the
users@cfeclipse.tigris.org mailing archive, there's some
info in there, IIR.
I did not mean to make anyone feel bad about preferring
some way over another. It's a free world, diversity is GOOD,
and I still get a kick out of that story about the programmer
and the drum - greatness doesn't come from the tool, man.
So, sorry for being an asshole, I'm really nice, but put my foot
in my mouth quite a bit. I can see how my comments can be
read many ways - I'm trying a little to be more like Churchill,
but failing pretty bad. Ahhh... Someday... *sigh*
There is a good saying about doing what you want so long
as it doesn't hurt others, or some such - which I like, but
find hard to live by.
Sorry for knocking anyone, or anyone's choices.
Didn't mean to. If anything, it's myself who needs to
get with the program... funny how life is.
But Oh that waffle was good! Syrup ROCKS!!!
:denstir
Denny Valliant wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242493
cfeclipse.tigris.org
Thats the link to put into eclipse I do believe
and Denny, its good to know others put their feet in their mouth too!
~Dave the disruptor~
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Yes, Rey, that's what I meant. That's why I qualify WIS so much. :P~
Seriously tho, Hey Vinne, Hugo, and Desmond, how do you like waffles?
I'm eating some right now, they're good(tm). :-))
Didn't mean to come off so harsh on the folks who are happy where they
are, man. It's good to be happy, and that's what really matters.
I would FAR prefer you to use a tool you are happy using than to switch
to one *I* use that doesn't make you happy. And you like to let people
know when you're not happy, so PLEASE don't start using CFE. You, a
fellow user, being unhappy would make me unhappy.
Just wait till you HAVE to switch, and I'll bet you'll be MUCH happier.
Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to
find dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff
will be there for you.
Ferg, I probably did misread you, I'm usually only partly in this
universe, so it shows. My main point was how swell open source
is, with the proper mind-set. See, with open source, there is no
room to complain, because YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF.
If you don't like X, or want Y, YOU CAN DO IT! YES! No waiting
for some other person to get off their ass! At least it's never
forced, as in you are NEVER forced to wait for something, or
get enough support behind an idea to have it come to fruition.
You can do it!
But that concept is one that a lot of folks don't seem to get,
and I think I don't get it either, so no biggie.
As for the util for converting snippits, take a look at the
users@cfeclipse.tigris.org mailing archive, there's some
info in there, IIR.
I did not mean to make anyone feel bad about preferring
some way over another. It's a free world, diversity is GOOD,
and I still get a kick out of that story about the programmer
and the drum - greatness doesn't come from the tool, man.
So, sorry for being an asshole, I'm really nice, but put my foot
in my mouth quite a bit. I can see how my comments can be
read many ways - I'm trying a little to be more like Churchill,
but failing pretty bad. Ahhh... Someday... *sigh*
There is a good saying about doing what you want so long
as it doesn't hurt others, or some such - which I like, but
find hard to live by.
Sorry for knocking anyone, or anyone's choices.
Didn't mean to. If anything, it's myself who needs to
get with the program... funny how life is.
But Oh that waffle was good! Syrup ROCKS!!!
:denstir
Denny Valliant wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242494
yup that kettle sure is black!
~Dave the disruptor~
> Maybe I am doing things wrong but I sure make a lot more money than most of
the guys doing it "right", so I will call it my "hs" and be happy with it!
Seems that we have a common theme. ;)
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242496
cfstudio is to much to type tho, u know i hate typing
Oh and btw.... your name is Rey not Rye (unless ur feeling a lil toasted!!)
~Dave the disruptor~
Its CFStudio! Get your editors straight! ;)
Rye...
Author: Rick Root
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242498
dave wrote:
> cfstudio is to much to type tho, u know i hate typing
>
> Oh and btw.... your name is Rey not Rye (unless ur feeling a lil toasted!!)
It's funny for someone to correct your typing them misspell his own name. :)
Rik
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242500
I just couldnt let that 1 slip by....
~Dave the disruptor~
dave wrote:
> cfstudio is to much to type tho, u know i hate typing
>
> Oh and btw.... your name is Rey not Rye (unless ur feeling a lil toasted!!)
It's funny for someone to correct your typing them misspell his own name. :)
Rik
Author: Adam Haskell
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242504
> >> 3. The right-click on a CFInclude and option "Edit included
> template"...
> Doesn't exist.
This feature has existed in CFE for a while now (1.7 nightly builds IIRC).
That being said its sort of buggy. It only works some of the time(you
definitely have to have the file saved since you out in the cfinclude).
Unfortunately with Eclipse 3.2 and the nightly build of CFE I am not having
much better luck right now, not sure if there is a ticket open for it
though. The context menu is "Open/Create Template" and it will only open a
file relative to your current project.
I've been using Eclipse or some fashion of it for almost 2 years now and I
love it. Between Java, PERL, CF, JS, BD stuff, XML, and ANT its awesome. One
reason to use eclipse is ANT sure you can use ANT stand alone but the
integration with eclipse is just awesome. Deployment in 1 click...oh so
nice. I just can't say enough about ANT.
Adam H
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242506
I'll give you that one cause it was too easy. ;P
Rey...
dave wrote:
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Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242507
Many places don't allow a copy for security reasons. Many of us are working
with sensitive data, so having a copy of the DB is out of the
question...think of the recent VA scandal and why having a copy of data can
be a really bad idea.
As far as FTP being plain text...well so is a cfm, htm, asp, css, js, etc...
file ;-) There is also a binary transfer for binary files like images and
compiled code. FTP is an accepted and very standardized protocol. I have
never seen different ways of ftp'ing...it's all, well, FTP. Not sure where
you get that from. The interface and setup may be different, but the
protocol is all the same, so there is nothing to code for, other than the
CFFTP tag ;-)
I do a lot of consulting work, so some of my stuff is on my own. I have
also worked on 50 member teams and everything in between. I have
considerable experience using visual source safe and a version control that
is native to UNIX, whose name is escaping me at the moment (that may be
purposeful...I try to forget UNIX as much as possible hehehe) I like having
a test server and in most shops I do, so that if I piss off Odin one day and
lightning strikes my system, I have another copy somewhere. I also keep a
local copy and when I can, a copy on disk/thumbdrive, for an extra measure
of security when the company I am working for doesn't use a versioning
tool...at least I know I will have 1 version back. One of these days, when I
get a server that is worth investing in, I will prolly set up a repository
for my work. The POS that I have now will be lucky to still be running in
the near future. I am working on getting a good laptop to replace my
desktop and once that happens, my desktop will become my local testing
server. It has enough juice to do a good job of it.
Hailisa,
Eric
MMA Eric!
>
> Actually...things are quite the opposite with many developers also
> working from home. Most of the time we don't have access to the data
> locally from db's that are either at the company's site or at their
> host. That is why ftp is important. I do a lot of consulting work
> where I am not at the client's site on a regular basis...sometimes
> even completely doing it from home.
They shouldn't be quite the opposite (if you ask me, but I'm just some
dude).
SVN lets you have a local repository. Most DBs make it pretty easy to
synchronize subsets of data, so there's no reason not to have some locally.
And if you're FTPing stuff, you do know that it's all in plain text, and
that FTP is one of the worst standards for file transfer? Every freaking
FTP server does it it's own way. Real easy to code for, neh?
All that data you're sending to your clients is basically in plain view for
anyone who's looking for it.
I would strongly recommend (and this is coming from someone who has been
doing quite a bit of work from home lately) you start a local SVN
repository, just for your own sake (it's really freaking awesome!), and
maybe start using a tool like rsync or at least an SSH/webDAV plugin for
data transfer (if you can't connect to a remote repository).
ESPECIALLY since you're probably crossing networks and such to get data to
your client's machines (dunno, maybe you have a T1 straight to "client
central" *giggles*).
You must be a "lone coder" sorta like myself... someday tho, mark my words,
you'll have to work with people who know what they're doing, maybe even as
part of a team, so knowing this stuff is good if that ever happens (even if
it's just the team part :).
I think the real fact of the matter is that CF is a language that makes it
easy to "just do it", and that's why you've got so many people who never
learn the "why" part, or whatever, till they have to. A general
observation, not directed.
I love the fact that if my laptop took a flying leap off a tall building,
all my code (all 25675 iterations of it) would still be safe, and instantly
available from another workstation.
What's cool is if you got an old machine just sitting around in your home --
Use it for a SVN repository! Even if your clients don't use VC, you will,
and you'll LOVE IT! I swear!
Sorry for trying to convert you while saying it's ok to stay how you are.
I'm just a dork. -- And I have issues - I deal with someone I'm on a team
with who is just dragging their feet on the whole "dev and test local,
upload to dev, THEN production" (we still don't have QA:).
So don't think I'm assuming you don't test local and all that jazz.
(my person who is lagging just moaned and moaned when I turned off FTP, so
it's linked sorta, in my head- whoops! My bad.)
'Probably cuz I'm a virgo-cusp, and you know how those cuspers are.
So if any negative vibes comes through, it's a personal issue, not related
to anything. (see, I suck, real doods don't let that happen).
Peace be with you (apologies for rehashing an age old issue, CF-T!) & one
love, :Denizen
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242508
That's just what they have on the site...Mark...is there a different one?
Eric
That hasnt worked for me for awhile, was a diff one
~Dave the disruptor~
It should be http://www.cfeclipse.org/update like it says on the site. This
has always worked before.
Eric
I ran into this as well before and as it turned out almost all the links
were wrong on peoples sites and as soon as the new link was entered it was
fine. Of course I forget what that link is now.
~Dave the disruptor~
Something else I just found...last night I went to d/l it and got eclipse
installed. Went to get cfeclipse through the recommended process and it said
that there were no updates (fresh install of eclipse with no cfeclipse) Was
there a prob with the server last night? I ended up just downloading the
plugin and adding it manually.
Eric
I must say I havent touched it, it used to work, I never needed it myself
(different deployment process)
I want Adobe to release the API to the RDS plugin so I can do more of a team
synchronising with RDS servers and the same with FTP. More like how
Dreamweaver does it.
There are SO many features I am sure people want, if we get more
contributors to the project then we can get it done.
MD
On 4 Jun 2006, at 02:56, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242509
Hi Denny,
> ...It's good to be happy, and that's what really matters.
Damn straight!
> And you like to let people know when you're not happy,....
Damn straight!
> so PLEASE don't start using CFE.
Still don't have a reason to.
> You, a fellow user, being unhappy would make me unhappy.
And I wouldn't want you to be unhappy unless you actually wanted to be
unhappy in which case I would be happy for your unhappiness.
> Just wait till you HAVE to switch, and I'll bet you'll be MUCH happier.
Probably.
> Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to
> find dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff
> will be there for you.
God I can only dream. Make it so #2!
Rey...
Author: Rey Bango
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242510
> and Denny, its good to know others put their feet in their mouth too!
And deep too!
....
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242511
Yeah...that found it...thanks!
Eric
cfeclipse.tigris.org
Thats the link to put into eclipse I do believe
and Denny, its good to know others put their feet in their mouth too!
~Dave the disruptor~
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Yes, Rey, that's what I meant. That's why I qualify WIS so much. :P~
Seriously tho, Hey Vinne, Hugo, and Desmond, how do you like waffles?
I'm eating some right now, they're good(tm). :-))
Didn't mean to come off so harsh on the folks who are happy where they are,
man. It's good to be happy, and that's what really matters.
I would FAR prefer you to use a tool you are happy using than to switch to
one *I* use that doesn't make you happy. And you like to let people know
when you're not happy, so PLEASE don't start using CFE. You, a fellow user,
being unhappy would make me unhappy.
Just wait till you HAVE to switch, and I'll bet you'll be MUCH happier.
Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to find
dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff will be there
for you.
Ferg, I probably did misread you, I'm usually only partly in this universe,
so it shows. My main point was how swell open source is, with the proper
mind-set. See, with open source, there is no room to complain, because YOU
CAN DO IT YOURSELF.
If you don't like X, or want Y, YOU CAN DO IT! YES! No waiting for some
other person to get off their ass! At least it's never forced, as in you are
NEVER forced to wait for something, or get enough support behind an idea to
have it come to fruition.
You can do it!
But that concept is one that a lot of folks don't seem to get, and I think I
don't get it either, so no biggie.
As for the util for converting snippits, take a look at the
users@cfeclipse.tigris.org mailing archive, there's some info in there, IIR.
I did not mean to make anyone feel bad about preferring some way over
another. It's a free world, diversity is GOOD, and I still get a kick out of
that story about the programmer and the drum - greatness doesn't come from
the tool, man.
So, sorry for being an asshole, I'm really nice, but put my foot in my mouth
quite a bit. I can see how my comments can be read many ways - I'm trying a
little to be more like Churchill, but failing pretty bad. Ahhh... Someday...
*sigh*
There is a good saying about doing what you want so long as it doesn't hurt
others, or some such - which I like, but find hard to live by.
Sorry for knocking anyone, or anyone's choices.
Didn't mean to. If anything, it's myself who needs to get with the
program... funny how life is.
But Oh that waffle was good! Syrup ROCKS!!!
:denstir
Denny Valliant wrote:
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almost geologic.
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242513
I'm sorry, Eric, but there are many types of ftp. There is the plain old
insecure ftp which will eventually get you in trouble. Then there's ftp
over ssh (if you have a *nix server). There's also SFTP and FTPS, and I'm
not really sure which one is which but basically there's ftp over ssl and
ftp over tls. All of those have varying levels of security, but enough for
our purposes.
If you use a source control system such as subversion, you can transfer set
it up over ssl using apache, so even your commits and updates to/from source
control is protected. And while you might not be able to get a copy of the
production database for security reasons, you might be able to get the
schema and fill it with dummy data which is enough for doing development
work. You might also be able to access the database through some sort of
vpn (never actually having your own copy).
There's no reason to not use a source control system. If you have a server
anywhere, you can use it to host subversion. It doesn't require a lot of
resources and will save you a lot of time and headaches if things go wrong.
Directly editing production files is the single worst thing you can do. If
you dreamweaver/hs crashes (as I'm sure it often does), and overwrite an
important file on the server, how long can you afford to wait for a backup?
Even if you get the backup, a good portion of your work could be lost.
Russ
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Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242515
So do I remember correctly that I've read somewhere that CFE is going to
move to using SVN and trac? Maybe somebody can create an easy guide on
starting on developing CFE. I tried in the past but could not figure out
how to make edits.
Java is not that hard to pick up and I'm sure a decent percertage of people
on here already know it. If we can organize the community, we can get CFE
to where it needs to be, instead of bitching and moaning that it's missing
our favorite features.
Russ
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242516
lol, i didnt get this name for nuthin!
~Dave the disruptor~
> and Denny, its good to know others put their feet in their mouth too!
And deep too!
.....
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242518
God I can only dream. Make it so #2!
careful what u say in regards to #2, Will does things when u say #2 and it has
nothing to do with star trek.......
~Dave the disruptor~
Hi Denny,
> ...It's good to be happy, and that's what really matters.
Damn straight!
> And you like to let people know when you're not happy,....
Damn straight!
> so PLEASE don't start using CFE.
Still don't have a reason to.
> You, a fellow user, being unhappy would make me unhappy.
And I wouldn't want you to be unhappy unless you actually wanted to be
unhappy in which case I would be happy for your unhappiness.
> Just wait till you HAVE to switch, and I'll bet you'll be MUCH happier.
Probably.
> Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to
> find dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff
> will be there for you.
God I can only dream. Make it so #2!
Rey...
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242519
a guide would be nice
~Dave the disruptor~
So do I remember correctly that I've read somewhere that CFE is going to
move to using SVN and trac? Maybe somebody can create an easy guide on
starting on developing CFE. I tried in the past but could not figure out
how to make edits.
Java is not that hard to pick up and I'm sure a decent percertage of people
on here already know it. If we can organize the community, we can get CFE
to where it needs to be, instead of bitching and moaning that it's missing
our favorite features.
Russ
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242521
Its still ftp over something. Just because you send ftp over ssl, ssh, tls,
or anything else for that matter, it doesn't make the ftp part of it any
different...just ftp being carried over a more secure transport...kind of
like instead of shouting, you carry your voice over an fm carrier signal.
So it's still the same plain ole insecure ftp that is on a secure carrier.
Do they make subversion for windows? I would be willing to try it out for
size.
Some places get overly anal...possibly rightfully so hehehe...and don't
allow vpn for consultants.
It really depends on the environment. For my personal stuff, I pretty much
just have my host and send stuff directly to the host, unless it is
something complicated, which I do test locally first as I would rather crash
my system than my site host. They tend to get rather miffed when customers
do that ;-) Most place I work at have a test and production environment to
work with. Some even have a staging environment in-between the 2. I have
only worked at a couple of places that didn't have a test server...though
they did shortly after I convinced them of the wisdom of having a test
environment. Source control really depends on the company. Some places
won't do it because either they don't want to pay for, won't use open source
because of the lack of support, or just have system admins who are too inept
to try and install products they are not familiar with. As far as backup,
most places I have been have at least daily back-ups...some have had hourly
backups(incremental of course).
Source control is great if you can get it. I know I tried to get something
at my last gig, but the company wouldn't flip the bill to buy it and
sysadmins wouldn't install it if they did.
Eric
I'm sorry, Eric, but there are many types of ftp. There is the plain old
insecure ftp which will eventually get you in trouble. Then there's ftp
over ssh (if you have a *nix server). There's also SFTP and FTPS, and I'm
not really sure which one is which but basically there's ftp over ssl and
ftp over tls. All of those have varying levels of security, but enough for
our purposes.
If you use a source control system such as subversion, you can transfer set
it up over ssl using apache, so even your commits and updates to/from source
control is protected. And while you might not be able to get a copy of the
production database for security reasons, you might be able to get the
schema and fill it with dummy data which is enough for doing development
work. You might also be able to access the database through some sort of
vpn (never actually having your own copy).
There's no reason to not use a source control system. If you have a server
anywhere, you can use it to host subversion. It doesn't require a lot of
resources and will save you a lot of time and headaches if things go wrong.
Directly editing production files is the single worst thing you can do. If
you dreamweaver/hs crashes (as I'm sure it often does), and overwrite an
important file on the server, how long can you afford to wait for a backup?
Even if you get the backup, a good portion of your work could be lost.
Russ
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242526
> Its still ftp over something. Just because you send ftp over ssl, ssh,
> tls,
> or anything else for that matter, it doesn't make the ftp part of it any
I'd challenge that, if only because I was checking out the FTP bugs in
the eclipse bugzilla, and they explain why it's been lacking. Maybe
you are right tho, and FTP is FTP is FTP, no big deal, passive or no.
But I don't think so. Do you have some back-up for your assumption?
Heh. Coming from me, that's funny, I know. [=
Ever wonder why some commands are available on some hosts
and not others? I think that is part of it, maybe, but my memory is
hazy from abuse. :-)
Do they make subversion for windows? I would be willing to try it out for
> size.
Yes, there is a GREAT utility called tortoiseSVN. It's AWESOME!
Some places get overly anal...possibly rightfully so hehehe...and don't
> allow vpn for consultants.
Like Rife, they own all that data in your head too. :-) I get it, that's
ok.
Downtown, workin for the FBI... so many passports... don't even know my
own name...
to try and install products they are not familiar with. As far as backup,
> most places I have been have at least daily back-ups...some have had
> hourly
> backups(incremental of course).
It's not just great if you can get it, it's great, period. It's easy to
get. CVS
has been around for aeons. Blows any type of "backup" system clean out
the water. Hands down, no questions asked. I can flip through all changes
made to any section of code from any point in time, instantly - and what's
better, I can compare it against any other code from any other point in
time,
even right now, and see EXACTLY what's different, all color coded and
highlighted and even with a little AI thrown in. Or over a range of time,
even!
(do be sure to back up your repository however!!! :)
It's simply dabomb, no question, everyone should use/be familiar with [VC].
But those are just opinions, no real facts to back 'em up or whatnot.
Zing! (just kidding, sorry I'm such a punk today! Blame Russ ;)
Æòȭ
:denner
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242528
Here is how to check it out:
http://cfeclipse.org/go/documentation/developer-docs/checking-out
After that, you should research a little about developing plugins
with eclipse.
Basically, you edit the code you just checed out, and then
try to run it in an eclipse application (via opening the plugin.xml
file and clicking on the link that says "run as eclipse app", or
"run eclipse app in debug".)
In the workspace that launches, assuming it does so without
error, you should be running whatever changes you made
to the code - just create a .cfm file and edit away and see
if your changes do what you want.
I'll checkout the wiki when it's up and see if there isn't a
page already describing this process.
And I meant, blame Dave! yeah, That's it. Russ is cool. [=
:Den
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Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242529
> And I wouldn't want you to be unhappy unless you actually wanted to be
> unhappy in which case I would be happy for your unhappiness.
That just tickles me pink. Thanks for the consideration Rey. Your logic
is impeccable!
> Seriously, by then, things will be smoother, and there will be less to
> > find dislike with. You'll feel more comfortable, more HS-like stuff
> > will be there for you.
>
> God I can only dream. Make it so #2!
Bank on it dude! I Know how heavy you are into HS. *gigglesnort*
CFStudio may evolve more too, play it safe, and wait and see.
Or HEY! You could write up a NEW Coldfusion IDE!!! Sell it and
make big bucks! It'll be double-plus good! Maybe Adobe will sell
you the old code on the sly, and you can make it so, too!
I get pretty silly sometimes. Sorry for wrecking your thread. :-(
It did kind of get into a cfstudio vs. cfeclipse, which you may
not have intended, but hey, at least we all know that cfeclipse
beats the pants off of cfeclipse, er cfstudio. :-)
HA HA cfeclipse WINS!!!
"Finish him..."
:den
I'm REALLY sorry to have gotten so silly, no more, I swear.
From now on sole munching is all you'll hear from me, really.
Author: Eric Roberts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242530
I would say the difference in command availability is a ftp server configuration
issue. Where commands are not available, that is prolly because the sysadmin
shut those commands off. FTP is a protocol set by W3C. Much like any other
transfer protocol, you can "transmit" it over a secure channel. Is there any
difference in the html for a page that uses http vs. https? It's all the same
transfer protocol, with an added layer of security from a security protocol or
method You put together sftp and ftps...remove the security...you still have
good ole plain text insecure ftp.
I will look into tortoise once I figure out what the hell Wide Open West is doing
to my internet connection grrrrrrrr
Eric
>
> Its still ftp over something. Just because you send ftp over ssl,
> ssh, tls, or anything else for that matter, it doesn't make the ftp
> part of it any
I'd challenge that, if only because I was checking out the FTP bugs in the
eclipse bugzilla, and they explain why it's been lacking. Maybe you are right
tho, and FTP is FTP is FTP, no big deal, passive or no.
But I don't think so. Do you have some back-up for your assumption?
Heh. Coming from me, that's funny, I know. [=
Ever wonder why some commands are available on some hosts and not others? I think
that is part of it, maybe, but my memory is hazy from abuse. :-)
Do they make subversion for windows? I would be willing to try it out for
> size.
Yes, there is a GREAT utility called tortoiseSVN. It's AWESOME!
Some places get overly anal...possibly rightfully so hehehe...and don't
> allow vpn for consultants.
Like Rife, they own all that data in your head too. :-) I get it, that's ok.
Downtown, workin for the FBI... so many passports... don't even know my own
name...
to try and install products they are not familiar with. As far as backup,
> most places I have been have at least daily back-ups...some have had
> hourly backups(incremental of course).
It's not just great if you can get it, it's great, period. It's easy to
get. CVS
has been around for aeons. Blows any type of "backup" system clean out
the water. Hands down, no questions asked. I can flip through all changes
made to any section of code from any point in time, instantly - and what's
better, I can compare it against any other code from any other point in
time,
even right now, and see EXACTLY what's different, all color coded and
highlighted and even with a little AI thrown in. Or over a range of time,
even!
(do be sure to back up your repository however!!! :)
It's simply dabomb, no question, everyone should use/be familiar with [VC].
But those are just opinions, no real facts to back 'em up or whatnot.
Zing! (just kidding, sorry I'm such a punk today! Blame Russ ;)
ÆòÈ
:denner
Author: Denny Valliant
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242532
> FTP is a protocol set by W3C. Much like any other transfer protocol, you
> can "transmit" it over a secure channel. Is there any difference in the
> html for a page that uses http vs. https? It's all the same transfer
> protocol, with an added layer of security from a security protocol or
> method You put together sftp and ftps...remove the security...you still
> have good ole plain text insecure ftp.
Sort of. I haven't seen so much trouble using SSH as FTP. Just because the
W3C has a standard, I don't think that makes the real world adhere to the
standard.
My understanding is that there is a good bit of variation between the
different systems implementations of the FTP protocol (directory listing?),
and that is one of the reasons the FTP client for Eclipse has been
struggling. It "mostly works" (it's worked for me when I've tried it), but
there are a lot of edge cases or some such. The platform_team group was
looking for someone willing to contribute a commercial quality java one, I
think. At any rate, I get the point, transferring data is transferring
data. [=
I will look into tortoise once I figure out what the hell Wide Open West is
> doing to my internet connection grrrrrrrr
TSVN RIZOCKS! Fo sure. I wish there was one like it for OS X (although it
looks like SVNX is pretty good, iirc). That would make my lagging comrade
get into it quicker, I feel. Since I can't make DreamWeaver integrate with
SVN....
Hrm... Maybe a similar idea of a dumbed down cfeclipse install, but with a
dumbed down MyEclipse setup for the wysiwyg... make the whole transition to
eclipse less overwhelming. I have to say, I was a little lost when I first
started using Eclipse (but 3.2 is much better in most reguards), and I was
sorta familiar with NetBeans, even. I should appreciate that fact more.
It's easy to take what we know for granted. I do it all the time, and it's a
bad habit.
Arg. Too many bad habits!
:Denny
Author: Russ
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242533
TourtoiseSVN is awesome, but not nearly as awesome as the Subclipse plugin
to Eclipse. It's just beyond awesome.
And subversion server runs on windows and linux, and probably dozens of
other platforms. It's free, Open Source and has a very active development
group. I've been on their developer and user list for the past few months,
and they almost as much traffic as cf-talk.
Subversion is also superior to CVS. It was designed that way. And since
you can install it on pretty much any machine (even an XP workstation),
there is no excuse to not use it.
As far as ftp, it is a standard, but ftps and sftp add many new features.
Encryption is only part of it, there is also compression, etc. And you can
install filezilla on windows and use sftp, so there's no excuse for using an
insecure ftp server either (unless of course you're forced to by
client/shared host).
Russ
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242534
ok so Sean and Ray use transmit I know (on osx, which is what i use as well) but
what do the good folks on osx use?
~Dave the disruptor~
TourtoiseSVN is awesome, but not nearly as awesome as the Subclipse plugin
to Eclipse. It's just beyond awesome.
And subversion server runs on windows and linux, and probably dozens of
other platforms. It's free, Open Source and has a very active development
group. I've been on their developer and user list for the past few months,
and they almost as much traffic as cf-talk.
Subversion is also superior to CVS. It was designed that way. And since
you can install it on pretty much any machine (even an XP workstation),
there is no excuse to not use it.
As far as ftp, it is a standard, but ftps and sftp add many new features.
Encryption is only part of it, there is also compression, etc. And you can
install filezilla on windows and use sftp, so there's no excuse for using an
insecure ftp server either (unless of course you're forced to by
client/shared host).
Russ
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Author: Jochem van Dieten
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242535
Eric Roberts wrote:
> FTP is a protocol set by W3C.
IETF
Jochem
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242536
Actually, there is a little trick to convert your snippets, you
import them into dreamweaver from HomeSite and then you can grab
those snippets and chuck them straight into CFE.
Yes, there are problems with FTP in CFEclipse, I am trying to fix them.
Yes, there is a problem with the update site, I am trying to fix that
too.
MD
On 5 Jun 2006, at 22:34, Munson, Jacob wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242537
AS I mentioned, our site had a few *issues* and since then the update
site has been a bit wonky.
When I get some time this week I shall make another update site with
the Nightly as well as the Release version of CFE so you wont have to
go hunting for the nightly.
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 01:53, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242538
We have a guide on checking out CFEclipse over at cfeclipse.org:
http://cfeclipse.org/go/documentation/developer-docs/checking-out
One thing to note is that the username is now "guest" and the
password is blank (but you need to tick the "save password" tick-box
otherwise it keeps prompting you)
With regards to editing and developing CFEclipse, I shall post up a
guide (I am sure there is one) on how the whole process works.
Basically you check out the code, set up a debug session and launch a
debug version of CFEclipse, so you have two versions of Eclipse
running, the one you are editing and one that is running showing you
your changes.
Once you have made a change that you think is ready/cool/brilliant or
whatever, you can right click on your project do a team -> Create
Patch, which creates a text file that you can send to me. I will then
talk to you about the change, make sure it does what it needs to etc
and check it in on your behalf (adding your name and the issue that
it solves)
HTH
Mark Drew
On 6 Jun 2006, at 02:29, Russ wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242539
With regards to svn and trac, that is in the works if it is possible
to get the source code from tigris.
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 02:36, dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242540
Just so you all know, we use a library for our FTP commands which is
rather nice, but the passive is switched off I think (or on
permanently, cant remember).
One thing I might have to add is the FTP command list so that you can
see why it isnt connecting, it has worked fine for me for the servers
that I have used but it sometimes doesnt work with some servers (I am
told) and then I dont really know how to debug since I (obviously)
dont have access to that FTP server!!!
Will see what I can do
Regards
Mark Drew
On 6 Jun 2006, at 04:06, Eric Roberts wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242541
I use Cyberduck on OS X
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 05:42, dave wrote:
> ok so Sean and Ray use transmit I know (on osx, which is what i use
> as well) but what do the good folks on osx use?
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242544
So how does that work with all these ants and what not?
~Dave the disruptor~
I use Cyberduck on OS X
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 05:42, dave wrote:
> ok so Sean and Ray use transmit I know (on osx, which is what i use
> as well) but what do the good folks on osx use?
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242545
As far as I know it doesnt and doesnt need to. Ant already has FTP
tasks (might be an optional library).
Cyberduck is a good FTP/SFTP client for OS X that is all
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 08:45, dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242546
so then you arent using version control? or do u still use your reg ftp client
with it?
~Dave the disruptor~
As far as I know it doesnt and doesnt need to. Ant already has FTP
tasks (might be an optional library).
Cyberduck is a good FTP/SFTP client for OS X that is all
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 08:45, dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242547
Dave
Have a look at http://ant.apache.org/manual/
on the right click on Ant Tasks and have a look through the core and
optional tasks. They are very handy.
I actually use an ant script that is run from CF to sync the contents
of a number of sites (for load balancing) so you can upload images
and publish to one site then run a sync task to keep all the other
servers up to date. Works a treat
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 08:45, dave wrote:
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Author: Mark Drew
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242548
We do use version control, maybe I missed the question (thought you
were asking which FTP clients we use).
Cyberduck is just a good FTP client.
With Ant I can build a script that would do things such as:
1) checkout the latest code,
2) FTP it to a site
3) Run a SQL update script
4) run a number of checks on a site (get task) in parallel (for load)
5) read the log file
6) email a report of what has happened
its very useful in that way once you get your head round it . Ant
basically is a program that runs in java that you pass an ant script
to it and it goes off and does whatever you ask it to.
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 09:31, dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242549
thanks
~Dave the disruptor~
Dave
Have a look at http://ant.apache.org/manual/
on the right click on Ant Tasks and have a look through the core and
optional tasks. They are very handy.
I actually use an ant script that is run from CF to sync the contents
of a number of sites (for load balancing) so you can upload images
and publish to one site then run a sync task to keep all the other
servers up to date. Works a treat
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 08:45, dave wrote:
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Author: dave
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242550
well i just build local, test and upload and then all this comes about that I
should be doing more than that by using subversion or ant or whatever then ppl
drop in reg ftp clients and it gets more confusing.
~Dave the disruptor~
We do use version control, maybe I missed the question (thought you
were asking which FTP clients we use).
Cyberduck is just a good FTP client.
With Ant I can build a script that would do things such as:
1) checkout the latest code,
2) FTP it to a site
3) Run a SQL update script
4) run a number of checks on a site (get task) in parallel (for load)
5) read the log file
6) email a report of what has happened
its very useful in that way once you get your head round it . Ant
basically is a program that runs in java that you pass an ant script
to it and it goes off and does whatever you ask it to.
MD
On 6 Jun 2006, at 09:31, dave wrote:
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Author: Munson, Jacob
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#242573
> Actually, there is a little trick to convert your snippets, you
> import them into dreamweaver from HomeSite and then you can grab
> those snippets and chuck them straight into CFE.
That's true, I have heard of that. But there was a guy that posted a
utility he wrote to convert them directly from HS. I found the original
cf-talk thread (it was Stan Winchester), here's a tiny URL to it:
http://tinyurl.com/gvmst
He's got a link to another forum where you can download the file. He
also posted this to the cfeclipse mailing list, but if I remember
correctly he didn't get much response. I was hoping people would put
this up on cfeclipse.org or something.
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Author: Dick Price
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#255949
Rey
Do you know where I can get CF Studio 5 CD? Have license but CD has become
corrupt..
Dick
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Author: Dick Price
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#255950
Rey
Do you know where I can get the CD containing CF Studio 5. My CD became corrupt.
Dick
Author: Teddy Payne
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#255972
You can get Homesite+ for free and it has all the functionality of CF Studio
5 I believe.
That is if you cannot get a copy of the CD.
Teddy
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Author: Alastair young
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#258555
I've been using CF Studio 5 quite reliably for years on Windows 2000. Had to
replace my desktop recently and now using Windows XP.
Now finding that CF Studio is frequently throwing timeout messages when saving
files via RDS.
Anyone else experience this? Got a solution? (that's NOT Dreamweaver or Eclipse)
Does HomeSite solve this?
Thanks
-a
Author: Charlie Griefer
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:46188#258563
HomeSite+ would be your best bet to mimic the Studio 5 environment.
Unfortunately, you can't buy it without buying Dreamweaver (altho
folks will tell you that a copy of DW costs less than an old copy of
Studio).
But it'd get you the IDE you're looking for.
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