**UPDATE** JRun 600MB+ shortly after boot up

Completely rebuilt the machine.  I'm running Windows *cough*Vista*cough* SP1 32-Bit with, of course, IIS7.  IIS7 doesn't know what to do with .cfm/.cfc file types but after adding some handler mappings, I was off and running into CF Admin.  The Task Manager said that Jrun was using about 140 MB.  I can't recall if it was at 140MB before/after I first launched CF Admin. I copied a couple of simple CF sites into the web root but didn't open any of them in a browser.  I noticed my PC performance gadget was showing a ton of memory being used.  Task Manager confirmed that Jrun was running at 518MB.  Back to where I started... I moved all of my sites back out of the web root and removed the handler mappings for .cfm/.cfc.  Restarted both IIS and CF.  Jrun still climbs to 518MB. I installed JDK 1.5.0_14 and edited my jvm.config file to point to the installation path (and restarted CF).  Then I recreated the handler mapping in IIS for .cfm and logged into CF Admin.  My settings summary indicates I'm running on Java Version 1.5.0_14.  JRun is currently running 550MB with only CF Admin in CFIDE, cfdocs and aspnet_client in the web root. I edited my jvm.config file with... -Xms512m -Xmx756m Now Jrun is at 577MB after launching CF Admin. Any help is *greatly* appreciated. Jason Jason, Ok... Maybe your heap size isn't big enough to instantiate the ap... It must be a real whopper :) Try editing your jvm.config file. Add -Xms512m -Xmx756m To the server args and restart... See if increasing the heap will help you bring it up. It's not 64 bit is it? -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com Thanks for the suggestion however James Holmes beat you to it. Unfortunately, running on 1.5_13 and 1.5_14 has the same results.  Jrun hovers around 400MB until I try to initialize my first app. Jason, Ah... Since it chokes on object creation this looks like it could be the class loader issue that everyone yammers about with JVM 1.6. Try rollling back to 1.5. -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com Here is a link to the error I receive when trying to load the index. The fusebox files haven't been altered except for a couple of variable values. http://www.durhamcons.com/error.htm Yep... That's the default all right. Did you make any changes to the JVM files - upgrade to a new version for example?   Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com

I should also add that Vista has all of its shots (read: updates).  The applications that I've installed on this machine are... Adobe CS3 Design Premium MS Office 2007 Enterprise MySQL 5.0 w/ MySQL Admin & Query Browser MS SQL Express w/ Management Studio McAfee Total Protection for Small Business Trillian (IM software) MS Silverlight Firefox 2.0.14 Toshiba Net Phone (GUI that works with our phone system) JDK/JRE 5.0 Update 14 Flash Player 9 Completely rebuilt the machine.  I'm running Windows *cough*Vista*cough* SP1 32-Bit with, of course, IIS7.  IIS7 doesn't know what to do with .cfm/.cfc file types but after adding some handler mappings, I was off and running into CF Admin.  The Task Manager said that Jrun was using about 140 MB.  I can't recall if it was at 140MB before/after I first launched CF Admin. I copied a couple of simple CF sites into the web root but didn't open any of them in a browser.  I noticed my PC performance gadget was showing a ton of memory being used.  Task Manager confirmed that Jrun was running at 518MB.  Back to where I started... I moved all of my sites back out of the web root and removed the handler mappings for .cfm/.cfc.  Restarted both IIS and CF.  Jrun still climbs to 518MB. I installed JDK 1.5.0_14 and edited my jvm.config file to point to the installation path (and restarted CF).  Then I recreated the handler mapping in IIS for .cfm and logged into CF Admin.  My settings summary indicates I'm running on Java Version 1.5.0_14.  JRun is currently running 550MB with only CF Admin in CFIDE, cfdocs and aspnet_client in the web root. I edited my jvm.config file with... -Xms512m -Xmx756m Now Jrun is at 577MB after launching CF Admin. Any help is *greatly* appreciated. Jason

Might the McAfee software somehow be involved in the problem? Disable it and give it a try? ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :) Might the McAfee software somehow be involved in the problem? Disable it and give it a try? > I should also add that Vista has all of its shots (read: updates). The ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Jason, have you specified if you have CF Enterprise or Standard?  I re-read the thread and didn't see... Can you get some thread dumps from the JVM to see what it is doing during this time?  SeeFusion can be trialed for free two hours at a time.  Maybe something like that could give you a window into what is going on. ~Brad Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :)

I'm running CF Standard in Developer mode.  I'll take a look at SeeFusion.  Thank you. BTW, I just uninstalled MS SQL, MySQL, Silverlight, and Trillian without any affect. Jason, have you specified if you have CF Enterprise or Standard?  I re-read the thread and didn't see... Can you get some thread dumps from the JVM to see what it is doing during this time?  SeeFusion can be trialed for free two hours at a time.  Maybe something like that could give you a window into what is going on. ~Brad Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :)

I installed SeeFusion without error but localhost:8999 gets me a 404. Perhaps SeeFusion isn't ready to run on IIS 7? Jason, have you specified if you have CF Enterprise or Standard?  I re-read the thread and didn't see... Can you get some thread dumps from the JVM to see what it is doing during this time?  SeeFusion can be trialed for free two hours at a time.  Maybe something like that could give you a window into what is going on. ~Brad Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :)

Actually, SeeFusion doesn't use IIS. It has a small built-in web server that listens on 8999 instead of port 80. Check your server logs to see if there were startup errors. Seefusion.jar and tools.jar should be in your <coldfusionroot>/wwwroot\WEB-INF\lib directory, and seefusion.properties should be in <coldfusionroot>\wwwroot\WEB-INF\classes Then you should be able to do: http://ip.address.here:8999 once you restart CF. I've always been able to reach the SeeFusion guys on the phone too if I have problems. ~Brad I installed SeeFusion without error but localhost:8999 gets me a 404. Perhaps SeeFusion isn't ready to run on IIS 7? Jason, have you specified if you have CF Enterprise or Standard?  I re-read the thread and didn't see... Can you get some thread dumps from the JVM to see what it is doing during this time?  SeeFusion can be trialed for free two hours at a time.  Maybe something like that could give you a window into what is going on. ~Brad Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :)

I just tried to call SeeFusion but got a voicemail and didn't leave a message.  I have SeeFusion.jar and seefusesion.properties but no Tools.jar. I've uninstalled every 3rd party application now and even reinstalled ColdFusion. Frustration is really setting in... :) ________________________________ Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: **UPDATE** JRun 600MB+ shortly after boot up Actually, SeeFusion doesn't use IIS. It has a small built-in web server that listens on 8999 instead of port 80. Check your server logs to see if there were startup errors. Seefusion.jar and tools.jar should be in your <coldfusionroot>/wwwroot\WEB-INF\lib directory, and seefusion.properties should be in <coldfusionroot>\wwwroot\WEB-INF\classes Then you should be able to do: http://ip.address.here:8999 <http://ip.address.here:8999/>  once you restart CF. I've always been able to reach the SeeFusion guys on the phone too if I have problems. ~Brad I installed SeeFusion without error but localhost:8999 gets me a 404. Perhaps SeeFusion isn't ready to run on IIS 7? Jason, have you specified if you have CF Enterprise or Standard?  I re-read the thread and didn't see... Can you get some thread dumps from the JVM to see what it is doing during this time?  SeeFusion can be trialed for free two hours at a time.  Maybe something like that could give you a window into what is going on. ~Brad Uninstalled McAfee and still have the same problem.  I'll keep uninstalling applications until someone offers another suggestion. :)

I rebuilt my machine again.  This time... no Windows updates, no antivirus, nothing... I immediately downloaded the latest installer from Adobe and installed it (Server config with all IIS websites).  JRun is running at 427MB.   This can't be right??

I just did another fresh install of Vista.  I immediately downloaded and installed ColdFusion from Adobe's site.  I used the stand alone server option with all IIS websites.  Jrun is at 427MB.  

I noticed a certain thing about Vista.  On my machine, while I still have a lot of RAM, processes will start using a lot of RAM.  Once it hits 100% utilization, it seems to swap things out to disk, and processes seem to take up a lot less ram.   Right now each of my instances of JRUN is taking up 400-500MB.  I am at 70% memory utilization.   I just started a VMWare instance to force the memory utilization over 100%. Vista froze for a few minutes (presumably doing some swapping), and now my JRUN instances are taking up about 10M each.   I think this is a Vista thing, and has something to do with the memory that processes allocate and the memory they actually use.  You might not be hitting 100% RAM utilization, and it's not swapping things out to file quite yet, which is why you're seeing such a high memory usage for JRUN. These are of course just theories, perhaps someone more informed can shed more light on the subject? Russ > I just did another fresh install of Vista.  I immediately downloaded and > installed ColdFusion from Adobe's site.  I used the stand alone server > option with all IIS websites.  Jrun is at 427MB.

The reason why I rebuilt the machine was because JRun was running at 600MB on Windows XP SP2.  Jrun memory utilization seems on par with my WinXP box except for...  Jrun just dipped to 271MB while the machine sat idle. Upon logging into CF Admin, it jumped to 295MB.  These still seem a little high to me but it's nearly half of what I was dealing with before.  I'm afraid to try to launch one of my own apps. heh ________________________________ Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: **UPDATE** JRun 600MB+ shortly after boot up I noticed a certain thing about Vista.  On my machine, while I still have a lot of RAM, processes will start using a lot of RAM.  Once it hits 100% utilization, it seems to swap things out to disk, and processes seem to take up a lot less ram. Right now each of my instances of JRUN is taking up 400-500MB.  I am at 70% memory utilization. I just started a VMWare instance to force the memory utilization over 100%. Vista froze for a few minutes (presumably doing some swapping), and now my JRUN instances are taking up about 10M each. I think this is a Vista thing, and has something to do with the memory that processes allocate and the memory they actually use.  You might not be hitting 100% RAM utilization, and it's not swapping things out to file quite yet, which is why you're seeing such a high memory usage for JRUN. These are of course just theories, perhaps someone more informed can shed more light on the subject? Russ > I just did another fresh install of Vista.  I immediately downloaded and > installed ColdFusion from Adobe's site.  I used the stand alone server > option with all IIS websites.  Jrun is at 427MB. > > > >

Maybe it has to do with memory utilization in general.  How much ram do you have and what's the utilization like?   Russ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I have 2GB.  600MB on JRun equated to about 80% utilization on XP.  On Vista, with JRun at 363MB, I'm at 60% utilization.  I'm on newegg.com right now ordering two more 1GB sticks. :) ________________________________ Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: **UPDATE** JRun 600MB+ shortly after boot up Maybe it has to do with memory utilization in general.  How much ram do you have and what's the utilization like? Russ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----