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Author: Jignesh Kakkad
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306807
Dear All
This is Jignesh Kakkad from India
I am working in Wireless domain and related to SMS projects
We do provide SMS connectivity where user can send SMS from the WEB site
let me know if any is intersted for the same?
Looking forward for your reply
Regards
jiggy
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Author: Dawson, Michael
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306130
We recently setup a deal with an SMS provider to sent emergency alerts to our
students and staff. Our part of the deal has us paying for unlimited SMS
messages for a given price.
However, our school does not pay for the recipients to receive the messages. The
recipient is responsible for paying to receive the messages.
Although there are instances where the recipient doesn't pay, such as requesting
an account status message from your own cell provider, most of the time, in the
US, you pay to send and you pay to receive.
You could think of it as a double-payment for a single message: The sender pays
to send the message and the recipient pays to receive the messages. Therefore, a
single message can cost a total of $0.40 for the full trip.
In our case, we let the students/staff opt-in to receive the messages. We are
not going to force a $0.20 message on anyone. You would not believe how bent
people can get when forced to pay $0.20.
Fortunately, my wife and I are on Sprint's unlimited messaging. It costs us
$30/month extra, but we send/receive a few thousand messages each month.
m!ke
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Sent: Tue 5/27/2008 11:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SMS Gateway Questions
When you send like that, who pays for the message? I'm pretty
certain that the phone companies in teh USA arent working as charities
adn will bill SOMONE for every message. So that means unless you have
a business relationship with att.com ot accept billing from the, your
recipient is going to pay.
That may or may not be a good thing.
Here in Australia it would be suicide for most applications to expect
your recipients to pay for the message.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Author: Wil Genovese
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306129
That is correct - the recipient pays. And do they ever as I can
attest to with my own bill as I test the service I am coding.
However, in the system I am coding right now this is part of our
clients subscription service that they pay a monthly fee to use and
thus they "opt in" to receiving the optional notifications by text
message and the fees for them.
Wil Genovese
One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
Author: Mike Kear
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306128
When you send like that, who pays for the message? I'm pretty
certain that the phone companies in teh USA arent working as charities
adn will bill SOMONE for every message. So that means unless you have
a business relationship with att.com ot accept billing from the, your
recipient is going to pay.
That may or may not be a good thing.
Here in Australia it would be suicide for most applications to expect
your recipients to pay for the message.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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Author: Dave Watts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306120
> SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the
> form of text messages.. Right?
>
> Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone
> number and send it that way via CFMail? (5035551212@att.net
> or some such)
That doesn't scale too well, as far as I can tell. If you plan to use SMS
with any significant volume of messages, or if you plan to use SMS short
codes, you'll need the services of an SMS provider.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Author: Wil Genovese
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306119
Yes, but I gave more info and I have actually done this and I'm
building the utility to handle replies for a large scale
application. :-p
Wil Genovese
One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
Author: Phillip Vector
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306117
Ah.. Yeah.. Isn't that what I just said? :)
> Actually just to send a message as 'text' to a cell phone all you need to do
is send it via cfmail and make it short (160 characters for most providers).
>
> This link will get you going real fast. Also, if you need to accept a reply
message you can easily have a dedicated email address an use CF to check for
replies on a cf scheduled basis and do 'something' with the replies. I'm
actually writing code to do this now.
>
> http://www.sms411.net/2006/07/how-to-send-email-to-phone.html
Author: Wil Genovese
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306116
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Actually just to send a message as 'text' to a cell phone all you need to do is
send it via cfmail and make it short (160 characters for most providers).
This link will get you going real fast. Also, if you need to accept a reply
message you can easily have a dedicated email address an use CF to check for
replies on a cf scheduled basis and do 'something' with the replies. I'm
actually writing code to do this now.
http://www.sms411.net/2006/07/how-to-send-email-to-phone.html
Cheers,
Wil
Author: Phillip Vector
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306114
It may be just me and not understanding fully what SMS is...
SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the form of text
messages.. Right?
Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone number
and send it that way via CFMail? (5035551212@att.net or some such)
If you want inbound, couldn't you use cfpop to check an empty account
to see if any are received?
What am I not understanding?
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Author: Mike Kear
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306113
[A] Pricing: SMS messages are a commodity. The big providers buy in
large quantity from whoever has the best price today, and on-sell in
smaller quantities for larger prices. Today, Xcompany might be the
best deal, but tomorrow Y Company might be a better deal. So when
you do your application, expect to have to provide for switching from
one provider to another. (in other words, build a cfc method that
sends a message through the provider, so you can easliy switch to
another provider by just writing another method)
[B] you have to buy time through a phone or SMS provider. Just as
you need to buy serices from an ISP or a cell phone provider.
Messages are priced using a unit called a credit. A SMS might cost
one credit, and a MMS might cost two credits. Or as a promotion, the
provider might say that between certain hours, SMS's are 0.75 credits.
How much you pay for a credit depends on how many you buy at a
time. Buy more, they cost you less.
[C] other issues: Access: not all providers accept the output from
the SMS gateway. The one I used for a while for example required
me to send a XML packet in a specific format. Another required an
email. The service outside the USA can be a LOT better than the
service Inside the USA. I'm afraid the USA lags behind the rest of
the industrialised world when it comes to modile technology. One
provider i was using for example, sent messages seamlessly to over
540 networks in 190 countries, and can accept up to 5000 SMS messages
per minute. WIth European providers you dont need to know or care
where in teh world your recipient is, or what phone provider they're
with - just send the message with teh fully qualified cell phone
number and wherever that phone is in teh world the message will be
delivered if it's turned on and connected to a network.
Speed: I worried about sending Australian messages to a European SMS
provider, but it proved not an issue. I set up several time tests
and found there was no appreciable delay in sending my messages
through Eruope and Africa compared to sending from one mobile handset
to another across the room.
Inbound numbers: All my comments above are related to outbound
messages - where you are sending messages to people It's a little
more complicated to receive messages, in that you have to have a
provider in the country you are expecting to receive messages from.
So while you might send your messages OUT through a Chinese or Indian
or German company, you'll need to have inbound messages from USA
customers coming through a USA provider, or else your customers will
have to dial an international number to send their message. You might
find some resistance on their part to accept the cost of that. But
you dont have to have the same provider for both inbound and outbound
messages.
The main point is - expect to be changing providers. Prices change
regularly and new providers come on the scene - it's a commodity like
copy paper and coffee and sugar - If you build your application from
the start expecting to want to change providers, you can be a lot more
flexible and take account of changes in the market as they happen,
without a lot of disruption to your code.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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Author: Dave Watts
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306105
> Is the SMS Gateway available in CF8 Standard, or Enterprise only?
It's available, but limited to running a single request at a time. If you're
serious about using it - enough to warrant getting an SMS short code -
you'll probably want Enterprise.
> Aside from having the gateway built in, is there anything
> else to purchase? (like an account with AT&T or something)
> Are there any fees associated with sending (or receiving)
> messages through the gateway? Who charges you? How?
You will need to use an SMS service provider, who will charge you fees. I'm
not too familiar with the fee structure, though; I know some people on the
list can provide much more detail on that.
> I was always curious how you get those 5 digit codes you see on tv.
You pay for them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_code
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
Author: Joe Velez
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:56528#306101
Hi all
Before I get too deep into trying to work with the SMS Gateway (for a
client) I had a few questions that I couldn't find answers to right away:
Is the SMS Gateway available in CF8 Standard, or Enterprise only?
Aside from having the gateway built in, is there anything else to
purchase? (like an account with AT&T or something)
Are there any fees associated with sending (or receiving) messages
through the gateway? Who charges you? How?
Another question would be what # does the message come from? My #, or a
randomly generated # or ?
I was always curious how you get those 5 digit codes you see on tv.
Thanks
Joe Velez
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