Details on ColdFusion 9's "free for academic" licensing?

I teach High School computer science at a public high school in Southeastern Pennsylvania.  I was able to get a section of Web Programming added as a new class in addition to the Web Design and Computer Science (mainly Java with some SQL).  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see if the change was "official" until I got my class schedule late last week; first day of classes is next Monday. Anyway, I was planning on teaching ColdFusion fro my web programming class; it's a logical choice (to me) and a great way to acquaint students with programming fundamentals...and also create as many CF converts as possible :P  I talked district IT into giving me my own server for my web design and web programming classes, and now I need a (free) CF engine; desktop security policy would make it difficult to run IIS and CF Dev Edition on the student desktops.  Does anyone know what the policy will be for the "free for academic" licensing for CF9?  Is it limited to colleges and universities, or can primary and secondary schools use that licensing scheme as well?  How will one apply for such a license? And, finally, does Adobe have any such program for CF8?  I'll install BlueDragon if I have to, but would prefer to run with CF8 until CF9 becomes available.  If someone from Adobe wants to contact me directly, feel free to do so.  I also realize that some of this info might be covered by NDA, and I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Thanks, Pete

I would bet that EDU version means any EDU instituion. My friend Stephen teaches grade school and got a free license for Flex because of his status. Problem is that it's not going to be released for around a year (my guess). You could go with something like Apache and ColdFusion. They work quite well together. Or even easier you could go with ColdFusion's built in web server. It's not full featured, but it'll do what you need. andy I teach High School computer science at a public high school in Southeastern Pennsylvania.  I was able to get a section of Web Programming added as a new class in addition to the Web Design and Computer Science (mainly Java with some SQL).  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see if the change was "official" until I got my class schedule late last week; first day of classes is next Monday. Anyway, I was planning on teaching ColdFusion fro my web programming class; it's a logical choice (to me) and a great way to acquaint students with programming fundamentals...and also create as many CF converts as possible :P  I talked district IT into giving me my own server for my web design and web programming classes, and now I need a (free) CF engine; desktop security policy would make it difficult to run IIS and CF Dev Edition on the student desktops.  Does anyone know what the policy will be for the "free for academic" licensing for CF9?  Is it limited to colleges and universities, or can primary and secondary schools use that licensing scheme as well?  How will one apply for such a license? And, finally, does Adobe have any such program for CF8?  I'll install BlueDragon if I have to, but would prefer to run with CF8 until CF9 becomes available.  If someone from Adobe wants to contact me directly, feel free to do so.  I also realize that some of this info might be covered by NDA, and I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Thanks, Pete

If you are on a windows server box, then you don't need apache...just use IIS.  It's pretty easy to set up.  If it is on an XP box or Linux, then yeah...use apache.  I think it is a bit more user friendly than setting up the built in server (never really cared for the built-in server...but that is a personal preference).  If you need any help setting up apache for this (it's pretty easy if you know what you are doing *grin*)...most of us here are pretty well versed in that and (speaking for myself) would be glad to help you if you need it.  I am not aware of the policies for academic use...I am not sure if you have to purchase it or if it is free with the proper credentials.  I bet if you give adobe a call they could tell you ;-) Eric /*-----Original Message----- /* /*Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:54 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Details on CF9's "free for academic" licensing? /* /*I would bet that EDU version means any EDU instituion. My friend Stephen /*teaches grade school and got a free license for Flex because of his /*status. /* /*Problem is that it's not going to be released for around a year (my /*guess). /* /*You could go with something like Apache and ColdFusion. They work quite /*well /*together. Or even easier you could go with ColdFusion's built in web /*server. /*It's not full featured, but it'll do what you need. /* /* /*andy /* /*-----Original Message----- /* /*Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:49 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Details on CF9's "free for academic" licensing? /* /*I teach High School computer science at a public high school in /*Southeastern /*Pennsylvania.  I was able to get a section of Web Programming added as a /*new /*class in addition to the Web Design and Computer Science (mainly Java with /*some SQL).  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see if the change was /*"official" /*until I got my class schedule late last week; first day of classes is next /*Monday. /* /*Anyway, I was planning on teaching ColdFusion fro my web programming /*class; /*it's a logical choice (to me) and a great way to acquaint students with /*programming fundamentals...and also create as many CF converts as possible /*:P  I talked district IT into giving me my own server for my web design /*and /*web programming classes, and now I need a (free) CF engine; desktop /*security /*policy would make it difficult to run IIS and CF Dev Edition on the /*student /*desktops.  Does anyone know what the policy will be for the "free for /*academic" licensing for CF9?  Is it limited to colleges and universities, /*or /*can primary and secondary schools use that licensing scheme as well?  How /*will one apply for such a license? /* /*And, finally, does Adobe have any such program for CF8?  I'll install /*BlueDragon if I have to, but would prefer to run with CF8 until CF9 /*becomes /*available.  If someone from Adobe wants to contact me directly, feel free /*to /*do so.  I also realize that some of this info might be covered by NDA, and /*I /*don't want to get anyone in trouble. /* /*Thanks, /* /*Pete /* /* /* /* /*

Eric Roberts wrote: > I bet if you give adobe a call they could tell you ;-) > > Eric If you manage to call the write people.  I believe we all have heard many stories about the confusion concerning ColdFusion from front-line Adobe support staff. I would give one of these guys that call and short-cut all the possible confusion. http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/9/ColdFusions-Dedicated-Account-Managers The post is almost a year old, but I presume it is still relevant information.

Good afternoon everyone,     And how about non-profit organizations that host education-related Web sites on their servers. Our group is preparing to upgrade our hardware to support additional Web development tools. I've been talking to the Sysop about adding ColdFusion. I mentioned that CF8.0 is the latest version he could make available to developers wishing to use it. Thanks for any feedback. Peter Donahue I teach High School computer science at a public high school in Southeastern Pennsylvania.  I was able to get a section of Web Programming added as a new class in addition to the Web Design and Computer Science (mainly Java with some SQL).  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see if the change was "official" until I got my class schedule late last week; first day of classes is next Monday. Anyway, I was planning on teaching ColdFusion fro my web programming class; it's a logical choice (to me) and a great way to acquaint students with programming fundamentals...and also create as many CF converts as possible :P  I talked district IT into giving me my own server for my web design and web programming classes, and now I need a (free) CF engine; desktop security policy would make it difficult to run IIS and CF Dev Edition on the student desktops.  Does anyone know what the policy will be for the "free for academic" licensing for CF9?  Is it limited to colleges and universities, or can primary and secondary schools use that licensing scheme as well?  How will one apply for such a license? And, finally, does Adobe have any such program for CF8?  I'll install BlueDragon if I have to, but would prefer to run with CF8 until CF9 becomes available.  If someone from Adobe wants to contact me directly, feel free to do so.  I also realize that some of this info might be covered by NDA, and I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Thanks, Pete

From what Forta has said on his blog I believe you actually need to be TEACHING ColdFusion to get it for free.  Simply being an educational institution is not enough to get it. To quote Ben: "It's for educational and training use - classrooms, student work, and so on. The free license is not for IT organizations within education." ~Brad > Good afternoon everyone, > >    And how about non-profit organizations that host education-related Web > sites on their servers.

----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- Peter, I used to work for a non-profit as well. According to Adobe it was considered an educational institution. Chances are your organization would be considered to be the same. Also you may want to look at some of the open source CF engines. That may provide an alternative if funding is tight.

If you're after a free CF engine, why not use Open Blue Dragon.  It has everything you need to teach your students web programming.  They have a "Ready2Run" download which is preconfigured and only 20Mb. http://www.openbluedragon.org/download.cfm Advantage of this is your students can also use it at home or on their laptops with no licensing problems.   Get them using the free CFeclipse IDE hopefully you'll get them hooked on CFML :)

The students can also use CF Developer edition for free at home or on their laptops with no licensing problems. > If you're after a free CF engine, why not use Open Blue Dragon.  It has everything you need to teach your students web programming.  They have a "Ready2Run" download which is preconfigured and only 20Mb. > > http://www.openbluedragon.org/download.cfm > > Advantage of this is your students can also use it at home or on their laptops with no licensing problems. > > Get them using the free CFeclipse IDE hopefully you'll get them hooked on CFML :) -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/

Railo also has a free community edition, it has some limitations but I am sure if you contact them and indicate that you would like to use it in a teaching environment they may give you a version upgrade. You can see the details at http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=148

Pete, as of Railo 3.0 which will be available in the next couple of weeks, Railo Professional and Railo Community will melt into one product and be available for free. We will open source Railo in November this year, so you don't have to deal with any costs whatsoever for your projects. If you need any additional information, just drop me a line... Greetings from Switzerland Gert Franz Railo Technologies GmbH gert.franz@railo.ch www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List german:    http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/railo/ english:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railo_talk/ linked in: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/71368/0CF7D323BBC1 gary gilbert schrieb: > Railo also has a free community edition, it has some limitations but I am sure if you contact them and indicate that you would like to use it in a teaching environment they may give you a version upgrade. > > You can see the details at http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=148

Out of curiosity what do you plan on using for textbooks? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus <pruckelshaus@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

<blank_stare>Textbooks? What are those?</blank_stare> Out of curiosity what do you plan on using for textbooks?

Those things students lug around in backpacks.  I just wondered how one goes about teaching CF in a school, if they make up the entire curriculum or if something actually exists for the schools to use. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Andy Matthews <lists@commadelimited.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Ben Forta's original blog on this subject said that Adobe was planning on producing some curriculum.  Later, he stated that might not happen after all.  If Adobe isn't going to produce some workbooks or whatever, there has to be something the community can help put together.  Any class room material we could get in print somewhere has to make teaching CF a more viable option in the eyes of the school. Minimally, we would want an outline for the course (say a semester worth), tests, code samples, etc. ~Brad > Those things students lug around in backpacks.  I just wondered how one > goes > about teaching CF in a school, if they make up the entire curriculum or if > something actually exists for the schools to use.

I'd be willing (and able) to play a role in this, and am willing to share my web design curriculum also (and take feedback on it).  Anyone else who's interested, contact me off-list.  I'm actually in the midst of writing a lesson-sharing document management system, have the domain and everything, but got sidetracked. Pete ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'd love to be a part of that. Teaching CFML to students is one of the primary keys to keeping the CFML alive, healthy, and growing - in my opinion. I was delighted with the announcement from Adobe about this effort, and let my contacts in the education industry know as soon as I could! It would be nice if Adobe had something "official" about this, but I guess Ben's blog is the next best thing eh? =P Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I've been teaching a CFML class at our local Community College here for the past couple years which I developed my own curriculum for. I set up a VPS with CF7/CF8 on it here at the Vivio Data Center and have the students FTP into it to do their course work. It's worked pretty well so far. I also talked with a few of the folks at Adobe at CFUnited (when they made this particular announcement) and offered to donate my curriculum to the cause if they needed. So far I haven't heard anything back from them about it - and I've emailed them a couple times since CFUnited. Perhaps I'm just not emailing the right person, I'm not sure. It's understandable if folks create their own curriculum, but an existing set would make for a nice starting point IMHO. If nothing else, I can wrap it up into a nice little package and offer it to the community as well. We'll see. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Brad Wood wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I generally create all of my own course materials, and refine them from class to class.  I then publish them as PDF's that I have on my network drive at school (which students have read access to a portion of) and also publish them to my teacher web site via the school's web site publishing "system". For my web programming class, I plan on having 2-3 weeks of condensed XHTML/CSS refresher (web design is a prerequisite), then cover JavaScript fundamentals for about a month, then a week or so of SQL, followed by basic server admin stuff and then the rest of the semester will be CF. Pete On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Aar ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Awesome. Must be nice to have en entire semester! Since the classes I've been teaching are quarterly, I only provide for a week of basic HTML, and dive into CFML right away after that. The idea is to get the basics of CFML hammered in so that they can create basic web apps and also provide them with enough knowledge to expand and learn more on their own after the class is over. The final project for the class I teach is a web applications of their choice that contains form processing, session variables, and database integration of some sort. If they know those fundamentals, they can easily expand on it in any direction of their (or their employers) choosing. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

>Out of curiosity what do you plan on using for textbooks? > >On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus <pruckelshaus@gmail.com>wrote: > >> How about issues of FAQU? They're much lighter than most textbooks and they give lots of practical information. :) Contact me... We may be able to work something out. Judith Dinowitz Editor-in-Chief Fusion Authority Quarterly Update

I was asking more in regards of seeing if there was something pre-existing to put into a proposal to a professor to see if they would offer a class on it.  I know some that do classes pretty much on Dreamweaver others on a PHP and so on.  I do not think any of them would want to create an entire curriculeum though. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Judith Dinowitz <jdinowit@houseoffusion.com ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

For anyone who's interested, I've created a Google group for ColdFusion Educators.  The group can be found here http://groups.google.com/group/coldfusion-educators?hl=en If you're interested, feel free to request a group membership; this is the first group I've created and don't know what all of the optimal settings are, so for now I'll keep security a little tighter until I get the hang of things. Thanks, Pete

I saw several people jump on the "free" part without actually answering Pete's original questions: >desktops.  Does anyone know what the policy will be for the "free for >academic" licensing for CF9?  Is it limited to colleges and universities, or >can primary and secondary schools use that licensing scheme as well?  How >will one apply for such a license? The details are taking longer to iron out than many people would like but the intent seems to be allow CF to be used by students and institutions for the purpose of learning/teaching CFML. Much like Flex Builder is free for academic use. >And, finally, does Adobe have any such program for CF8? The program is intended to apply to CF8. It just hasn't been finalized yet. I think Adobe were hoping to not only announce this at CFUNITED but have the program in place so academic users could go ahead and download and use it for free a couple of months ago. Sean

Hi, We pre-announced the free offering of ColdFusion to educational institutions for learning purposes at CFUnited. At CFUnited we mentioned that the formal announcement and program launch would be a few months out. We were so excited we couldn't wait to tell you. :) The offer isn't exclusive to universities. If you are using or teaching CF for learning purposes you will be able to take advantage. We're running on time with the program launch so keep your eye out, the official offer will be live *soon*. - Kristen ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Flex builder is, however, free for any use by any member of an educational institution, so there's a difference. While I'd love to see a similar program for CF, I suspect the CF policy will provide only for teaching as has been discussed. > The details are taking longer to iron out than many people would like but the intent seems to be allow CF to be used by students and institutions for the purpose of learning/teaching CFML. Much like Flex Builder is free for academic use. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/

The free CF8 Enterprise offer for teaching and learning is now available and live. You can read more about it here: http://www.webbschofield.com/index.cfm/2008/9/2/ColdFusion-8-Now-Available-to-Students-and-Educators-for-Free - Kristen Schofield Adobe, Product Marketing ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- au/blog/

----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- Would desktop security policy make it difficult to run a VMware image? You might consider using a VMware Linux image containing CF. You don't really need a web server at all, but you could also cover Apache in your class. I realize this doesn't directly address your question, but offer it in the hope that it might be helpful anyway. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!