Official ColdFusion IDE announced

Ben just announced it. Sign up for access to the beta (or whatever) at http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt

Don't forget the one for CF9 as well. http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Centaur On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > Ben just announced it. Sign up for access to the beta (or whatever) at > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt

>Don't forget the one for CF9 as well. >http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Centaur "What features are in Centaur? Language Enhancements ... CFFINALLY and CFCONTINUE " Finally.. cffinally. It is about time ;-)

Beautiful. Is this essentially an "official" CFEclipse then? Does Mark work for Adobe now? =P Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Michael Dinowitz wrote: > Ben just announced it. Sign up for access to the beta (or whatever) at > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt

The rumors I've heard are that this is a "from the ground up build". It is intended to work best with CF9, as most of it's best features are connected to the new tools in CF9. =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org

Arg!!!!  The hoops one must jump though to get this.  Am impatiently awaiting approval.  I keep hitting "Get New Mail" over and over again. ;-) Wil Genovese ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

These three will be worth every penny. Object Relational Mapping auto-configuration Application Code Generation Code assist for tags, functions, variables, and components The way that some editors offers code assist for external libraries (Aptana) is awesome. Having Code complete for CFC's and UDF's will be a God send. I am hoping that the Application Code Generation includes form generation and is configurable/or uses templates of some sort. I simply *cannot wait* to see what the ORM features look like. I am with Wil..... the wait is killing me. G On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > Ben just announced it. Sign up for access to the beta (or whatever) at > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt

I wonder just how much the "commercial" release is going to cost?  I can't see spending more than $50 for a new IDE. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX

Well.... They still sell HomeSite 5.5 for $99 on the Adobe Store Best Guess it'll be around $100 - $150 considering DW is $399 =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org

ORM would be nice since CF9 is supposed to include Hibernate. Application code generation...maybe. Depends on how configurable it is as there are a number of different frameworks out there. I don't think it would work very well for Adobe to say "this is the one true framework". The rest of the description is pretty...meh. <sarcasm>Syntax highlight in an IDE? Wow! </sarcasm> If this leads to a really well polished productive IDE, that's great. But I'd expect some things from a commerical IDE that I don't see here, like code refactoring. When I make a change to a function in one of my cfc's, say change an argument name, I want to see everywhere in my project that calls that function and show me where the argument changes need to be made. Still, I'm hopeful that this will encourage Adobe to go the route of having a commerical IDE and a free and/or open source version of CF. Judah > I wonder just how much the "commercial" release is going to cost?  I > can't see spending more than $50 for a new IDE. > > > Matthew Williams > Geodesic GraFX

> ORM would be nice since CF9 is supposed to include Hibernate. > Application code generation...maybe. Depends on how configurable it > is as there are a number of different frameworks out there. I don't > think it would work very well for Adobe to say "this is the one true > framework". The rest of the description is pretty...meh. <sarcasm>Syntax > highlight in an IDE? Wow! </sarcasm> I'm not on the beta, but I'd be surprised if the code generation features include any kind of support for frameworks other than the ones built-in to CF like the Hibernate features and Application.cfc. It would be nice if they were able to design an external DSL that would allow us to add support for our own frameworks in the same sort of way that we've been able to add support for new tags to the code hints in previous IDEs for a while now. I can imagine a system in which we could provide an XML file or maybe a bundle of XML and related files in a specific directory describing how to gen code for our own framework and that would allow the IDE to pick it up and execute the code generation for whatever we're using personally. That may not be in Bolt or at least not yet. But I would really expect Adobe's tools to be one way or the other either just for the CF native features or designed to allow custom gen'ing templates. -- s. isaac dealey  ^  new epoch isn't it time for a change?      ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog

> I'm not on the beta, but I'd be surprised if the code generation > features include any kind of support for frameworks other than the ones > built-in to CF like the Hibernate features and Application.cfc. In today's demo, support for assorted non-Adobe frameworks was mentioned briefly, but I didn't catch any details. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!

The rest of the description is pretty...meh. <sarcasm>Syntax highlight in an IDE? Wow! </sarcasm> Hell, my Notepad replacement (Notepad++ ) does code completion and Syntax highlighting for CF. But I suspect that being an Adobe product, Bolt will be finely crafted piece of software worthy of the Adobe name. >>But I'd expect some things from a commerical IDE that I don't see here, like code refactoring Ditto. Or even Open source offerings for that matter. Products like MyEclipse, NetBeans, MS Visual Whatever, and the various PHP editors I have used always leave me feel wanting. G ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

If it costs more than $0 I'll carry on using cfeclipse, as will most people I suspect. I wonder just how much the "commercial" release is going to cost?  I can't see spending more than $50 for a new IDE. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX

which is why it's nice to have options :) i'll take a look at the features and the price tag and make a choice at that point. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I don't think most people are using cfeclipse. It's not a very comfortable environment for a lot of people, myself included. I'd love to see statistics, but I'm betting less than a third of the community is on it. Free is nice, but comfort is better. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I am in the same boat as you, do not find it comfortable.  Do you think the comfort issue is because of Eclipse itself though?  I am wondering just how good can they get it when building on that.  Although I suppose Flex Builder is a good example of how good they can get things. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

would those with FlexBuilder get a discount on Bolt (if it is not free)?? On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Aar ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Most people don't use cfeclipse - from a recent tour of developer interviews (quite a wide field from all over the UK), not one person used it - few had even heard of it. Most of them either used Dreamweaver of some edition, Homesite or some generic text editors! ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I know what you mean Michael.  It took me a long while to get comfy in CFEclipse.  Now I use it all the time.  It was the switch to CFEclipse that freed me from Windows. Wil Genovese On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

My main complaints about cfeclipse are the same as my complaints about dreamweaver. It's too darn slow! Using Homesite I can switch between projects a hundred times faster, which is critical to me as I tend to work on so many different things throughout the day. Other than that I like most of the extra features cfeclipse offers, I still can't make use of it though... =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org

I only switched to Eclipse earlier this year, hell I was still using an ancient copy of CF-Studio 5. I've always hated Dreamweaver for writing code and never switched despite actually having a licensed copy on my machine for years (though not any more). I'm VERY glad I did finally make the switch though and it didn't take long to get used to, a few weeks at most. Any official IDE that's based on top of Eclipse is going to be similar in many ways, being similar in price is the only way I'll switch to be honest. As you say Wil, it's also great to be able to use a PC or a Mac and swap between the two often, as I do. Craig. I know what you mean Michael.  It took me a long while to get comfy in CFEclipse.  Now I use it all the time.  It was the switch to CFEclipse that freed me from Windows. Wil Genovese On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I've used CFEclipse for a long time now... But I agree with Michael. When all the features and price is announced, I'll be able to check out the features. Ultimately, if it seems that it would be "comfortable" and help me be a little more productive (sometimes comfort could do that)... I wouldn't mind paying a bit. Nice to have choices too. Thanks, Yves Arsenault "Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend". --Martin Luther King, Jr. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdinowit@houseoffusion.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I was just wondering if Bolt (base on Eclipse) could play nice along   side CFEclipse?   That is something I will have to try.  After once   you have Eclipse everything else is a plugin on top. I also wonder if Bolt will be fairly Eclipse version independent.   That way when Eclipse upgrades we can upgrade Eclipse and put Bolt on   top.  Hmmm....  Lots of wondering to do until I can get my copy to   play with. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Nov 18, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Yves Arsenault wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I would imagine that it would act like any other Plugin. I am sure that it would incorporate the existing feature so it would be an upgrade or you would have to uninstall your existing Adobe CF plugin. One thing to note is that you can right click on a file and say "Edit with" and chose an editor. I often open CFM files with Aptana to work with xhtml. G ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

So based on this comment I am curious what is your interest le