Coldfusion Sport Software

Hello. I was asked to help build a coldfusion website for a non-profit sport organization to help speed up the process of online applications, schedules, etc. Does anybody know of a good website free or paid that has CF software for a sport organizer. Thanks, Barry

Hi Barry, You could try http://www.cfm-resources.com/index.cfm?signupType=business. I honestly don't know how reliable they are though. I haven't tried them but I've ran across them a couple of times. I think they force adds on your site which can be annoying. If I were you, I had a low budget and I was looking for a reliable hosting company I would go with a php hosting provider like http://www.alkemadesigns.com/hosting. These guys are who are recommend all my clients go with. They have 99.9% uptime and unlimited bandwidth and unlimited webspace for $4.95 a month? Paul Alkema Hello. I was asked to help build a coldfusion website for a non-profit sport organization to help speed up the process of online applications, schedules, etc. Does anybody know of a good website free or paid that has CF software for a sport organizer. Thanks, Barry

Why would you recommend that he go to a PHP hosting company? He is looking for a ColdFusion based solution? Thank You Dan Vega danvega@gmail.com http://www.danvega.org/ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Paul Alkema <paulalkemadesigns@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Barry I'm not allowed to offer you free hosting or my Chairman of Finance will start feeding me ground glass in my dinner, but I can talk about pretty low fee for you.   ColdFusion 8,  plus plenty of disk space, bandwidth, uptime, SQLServer etc etc. If you have a budget at all and aren't limited to free,   contact me off line and we can set something up for you.   Look at my plans at http://afpwebworks.com   and we can work out a deal that's got better dollars on it for you. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I love ColdFusion, but when people talk shared hosting there's no comparative to between CF shared hosting and php shared hosting. Here is Mike Kear's Offer of CF Hosting According to his website. CF Shared Hosting afpwebworks.com - Advertised Hosting Plan Monthly price   - $15/M Disk Space      - 20mb Bandwidth       - 500mb/mo MySQL Databases - None PHP Shared Hosting alkemadesigns.com/hosting - Advertised Hosting Plan Monthly price   - $4.95/M Disk Space      - UNLIMITED Bandwidth       - UNLIMITED MySQL Databases - UNLIMITED I'm not insulting Mike Kear's offer.. at all, I actually think this is low for coldfusion hosting. The matter of the fact is, is that good CF shared hosting costs more than good PHP hosting. If I can get my clients to get a dedicated CF server I always encourage them to do so, but if they can't afford it there is no comparison between PHP shared hosting and CF shared hosting. Also, I think another downside to CF shared hosting is the lack of control, between Cpanel, php.ini file and your .htaccess file you have so much control of your hosting, but with CF hosting in order to get things changed many times you have to call the hosting company ask them to change IIS setting etc... My recommendation is, if you're looking for shared hosting, use a PHP server and learn PHP. If your company can afford it, go with a dedicated CF server because CF is so much easier to write, easier to read and development time is so much faster. :) Paul Alkema http://www.AlkemaDesigns.com Barry I'm not allowed to offer you free hosting or my Chairman of Finance will start feeding me ground glass in my dinner, but I can talk about pretty low fee for you.   ColdFusion 8,  plus plenty of disk space, bandwidth, uptime, SQLServer etc etc. If you have a budget at all and aren't limited to free,   contact me off line and we can set something up for you.   Look at my plans at http://afpwebworks.com   and we can work out a deal that's got better dollars on it for you. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- <paulalkemadesigns@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- but ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- hosting >> company I would go with a php hosting provider like >> http://www.alkemadesigns.com/hosting. These guys are who are recommend all ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- a ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Right. But Barry asked for cheap cf hosting recommendations.   I love ColdFusion, but when people talk shared hosting there's no comparative to between CF shared hosting and php shared hosting. Here is Mike Kear's Offer of CF Hosting According to his website. CF Shared Hosting afpwebworks.com - Advertised Hosting Plan Monthly price   - $15/M Disk Space      - 20mb Bandwidth       - 500mb/mo MySQL Databases - None PHP Shared Hosting alkemadesigns.com/hosting - Advertised Hosting Plan Monthly price   - $4.95/M Disk Space      - UNLIMITED Bandwidth       - UNLIMITED MySQL Databases - UNLIMITED I'm not insulting Mike Kear's offer.. at all, I actually think this is low for coldfusion hosting. The matter of the fact is, is that good CF shared hosting costs more than good PHP hosting. If I can get my clients to get a dedicated CF server I always encourage them to do so, but if they can't afford it there is no comparison between PHP shared hosting and CF shared hosting. Also, I think another downside to CF shared hosting is the lack of control, between Cpanel, php.ini file and your .htaccess file you have so much control of your hosting, but with CF hosting in order to get things changed many times you have to call the hosting company ask them to change IIS setting etc... My recommendation is, if you're looking for shared hosting, use a PHP server and learn PHP. If your company can afford it, go with a dedicated CF server because CF is so much easier to write, easier to read and development time is so much faster. :) Paul Alkema http://www.AlkemaDesigns.com Barry I'm not allowed to offer you free hosting or my Chairman of Finance will start feeding me ground glass in my dinner, but I can talk about pretty low fee for you.   ColdFusion 8,  plus plenty of disk space, bandwidth, uptime, SQLServer etc etc. If you have a budget at all and aren't limited to free,   contact me off line and we can set something up for you.   Look at my plans at http://afpwebworks.com   and we can work out a deal that's got better dollars on it for you. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- <paulalkemadesigns@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- but ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- hosting >> company I would go with a php hosting provider like >> http://www.alkemadesigns.com/hosting. These guys are who are recommend all ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- a ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Where do you keep you unlimited supply of drives for the unlimited drive space you provide? mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I NEVER asked about hosting a website!

Actually, that's true. :) I NEVER asked about hosting a website!

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With Railo gaining more momentum now, I think we'll see some cheaper ColdFusion hosting options.  And you get your own administrator! Alurium has Railo hosting starting at $6.75/month (200MB storage, 5GB bandwidth).  And a 60 day free trial.  http://alurium.com -Ryan Paul Alkema wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

If your client is complaining about the difference in price between $5 a month ($60 per year) and $15 a month ($180 per year), then maybe it's time to find yourself a new client. Until Adobe starts offering a free version, or Railo and Open BD start gaining more traction, PHP hosting will always be cheaper. The catch is the speed of development. Sure you could save $120 per year, but that amounts to ONE billable hour for some developers. Do you think your website could get done faster if that developer had ONE more hour to work on it? Probably not. andy With Railo gaining more momentum now, I think we'll see some cheaper ColdFusion hosting options.  And you get your own administrator! Alurium has Railo hosting starting at $6.75/month (200MB storage, 5GB bandwidth).  And a 60 day free trial.  http://alurium.com -Ryan Paul Alkema wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- IIS setting etc... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I'm reminded of a scene from the book "It" by Stephen King. The main characters build a small dam in a creek in the woods when some bullies come along and knock it down. As the bullies leave, one of them yells out "it was a real baby dam anyway". A client who's going to nickel and dime you over one or two billable hours worth of hosting time, is not the sort of client you want to work with. andy If your client is complaining about the difference in price between $5 a month ($60 per year) and $15 a month ($180 per year), then maybe it's time to find yourself a new client. Until Adobe starts offering a free version, or Railo and Open BD start gaining more traction, PHP hosting will always be cheaper. The catch is the speed of development. Sure you could save $120 per year, but that amounts to ONE billable hour for some developers. Do you think your website could get done faster if that developer had ONE more hour to work on it? Probably not. andy With Railo gaining more momentum now, I think we'll see some cheaper ColdFusion hosting options.  And you get your own administrator! Alurium has Railo hosting starting at $6.75/month (200MB storage, 5GB bandwidth).  And a 60 day free trial.  http://alurium.com -Ryan Paul Alkema wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- IIS setting etc... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I love that movie, but I don't think I get your example. :) It's ok though. I fully agree with you. Honestly my php clients are few, most of which are friends, family or non-profit organizations that I did cheap or free work for. That's why I was recommending php hosting because I can relate to the original non-profit website email. I encourage my good customers to use CF as the development time is quicker, though, honestly if they want to use php and which takes longer to develop I usually don't mind the extra hours as well. :) I'm reminded of a scene from the book "It" by Stephen King. The main characters build a small dam in a creek in the woods when some bullies come along and knock it down. As the bullies leave, one of them yells out "it was a real baby dam anyway". A client who's going to nickel and dime you over one or two billable hours worth of hosting time, is not the sort of client you want to work with. andy If your client is complaining about the difference in price between $5 a month ($60 per year) and $15 a month ($180 per year), then maybe it's time to find yourself a new client. Until Adobe starts offering a free version, or Railo and Open BD start gaining more traction, PHP hosting will always be cheaper. The catch is the speed of development. Sure you could save $120 per year, but that amounts to ONE billable hour for some developers. Do you think your website could get done faster if that developer had ONE more hour to work on it? Probably not. andy With Railo gaining more momentum now, I think we'll see some cheaper ColdFusion hosting options.  And you get your own administrator! Alurium has Railo hosting starting at $6.75/month (200MB storage, 5GB bandwidth).  And a 60 day free trial.  http://alurium.com -Ryan Paul Alkema wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- IIS setting etc... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Thanks Paul.  The reason CF costs more than PHP is that the Enterprise CF costs a lot of money.   It costs more, the faster new versions come out, because the cost of one version has to be recovered before you can consider upgrading to the next version. As to the unlimited disk space - that is really a bit of smoke and mirrors.    The logic goes like this..... The company might have have 90% of the clients web sites who wont use more than 10MB (for example) no matter what their quota is.  So if they work out the numbers based on an average of 30MB usage,  they can afford to say 'unlimited disk space' knowing that even if some use large amounts of space,   the average will still be less than 30MB. We use the same logic saying they can have unlimited number of email accounts.   We know that the vast majority of our clients have only 2 or 3 email accounts,  so if a one or two clients have a hundred email accounts,  the average is still only a few.    It all depends on the client profile. And with our system, the clients can change almost anything about their sites including set up CF Datasources and new databases using the great HELM control panel, which integrates seamlessly with many aspects of the CFAdministrator - at least those aspects that we want the clients to have access to. Oh, one more thing.   Our prices are displayed in AUD - which is not the same as the USD.   So at the moment i think our smallest plan of AUD$15/month i think translates to about US$10/month. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I just checked the stats for my client base and I have the average usage for that category of package well within the limits.   I have one user paying for that 20MB disk space, but he's actually using 550MB because he has a lot of emails in his account taking up space. I assume it's a while since his mail was cleared.  I'll have a look at his usage in a week or so and ask him to clear his emails out if it's sill that high.  But the average usage for that category of client over our whole system is only 18MB.    So it doesn't really matter to me if one client uses 550MB. Our clients are mostly CF developers using the space for test sites, so therefore we only have two functions disabled and no tags disabled.    Most  hosting companies cant do that, but because of our client profile, we have found over a number of years that there has been no problems.    If we ever get anyone who does something dumb and breaks something we might have to change the policy but in the mean time, most of us think its best to allow people to build test versions of the production sites with all the features running. -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

Hi Barry,   I do not know any such CF webiste. In case they want to built website then I can do it with reasonable charges/hr. I have been working in CF since 8 yrs & currently in Sydney, Australia. Thanks.Kind regards, Hitesh Patel +61 402 940 798 (Mobile) ________________________________ From: Barry Mcconaghey <bmcconaghey@gmail.com> To: cf-talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:00:48 AM Subject: Coldfusion Sport Software Hello. I was asked to help build a coldfusion website for a non-profit sport organization to help speed up the process of online applications, schedules, etc. Does anybody know of a good website free or paid that has CF software for a sport organizer. Thanks, Barry