Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?

Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for  years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often  attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i  spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up  reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back  on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to  make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to  change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions /  tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I  also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas   there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live  development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern  apps (they just don't make em like they used to  :-). Thanks in  advance Ben

----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- Honestly, you just have to suck it up and stop using Homesite if you want to try something else. I'd even go as far as uninstalling homesite so you don't get tempted to use it.

You're going to have the same trouble when moving to y from x in ANY field, be it software, or applications, or even using a different knife when cooking. You just have to believe that the new thing will eventually be better than the old thing. If you don't think that it will improve your development, then why bother...seriously. If Homesite works for you, and your development needs, then why switch? andy Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for  years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often  attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i  spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up  reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back  on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to  make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to  change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions /  tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I  also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live  development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern  apps (they just don't make em like they used to  :-). Thanks in  advance Ben

> Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion > development now for years (does anyone else still > use it? id be interested), I am still using HomeSite+ here for development.  It does a great job, it's fast, and it just works, but I'm in the same boat as you are.  It's getting farther behind with each release of ColdFusion, so eventually I'll have to move on to another tool.  I haven't found another editor that I've been as happy with as of yet. Homesite+ is like flying a Cessna 172.  You go out to the ramp, do some checks, and take off.  It gets you where you want to go as long as you're ok with its limitations.  Everything else seems like a Boeing 747 in comparison.  Slow, clunky, tries to do all the heavy lifting on its own, requires lots of time to get up to speed working with it, etc. -Justin

I still use HomeSite more than not, but I'm using CFBuilder more and more for side work (at home at night).  Still not used to the lag ... HomeSite is just so dang fast, while CFB waits forever to popup code assistance within a tag and it often fails to close a tag, resulting in lots and lots of extra typing.  I also haven't yet set up all my snippets, so that will be a big one in making CFB work for me, but I agree that it's not a simple transition.

I find it interesting that no one seems to be suggesting DreamWeaver as a "replacement" for Homesite. I was a huge Homesite fan - but dropped it about 7 years ago...(Has it been that long?!) I mainly use DreamWeaver now - and find it great for code markup and CF Integration. It is very similar to a lot of the ways Homesite worked... (I think) I am probably not using it to its full extent - but the Database connections/RDS Login/component integration, etc -  are pretty nice once you get it setup - and you can have it auto FTP or do it manually (as I do - Still use an old copy of Absolute FTP).  Overall code markup is clear - easy to setup website projects - I like it. I have started to dabble with the Coldfusion Builder - still very new to me -  I guess I see myself eventually swapping between those two... But for now I pretty much live in DreamWeaver. My Two cents anyway... - Nick

Plenty of people still use HomeSite. It is a great program. The intended successor to HomeSite is Adobe ColdFusion Builder, which isn't a finished product yet. If you have had frustration with cfbuilder, maybe stick with HomeSite until cfbuilder becomes a more mature product. Beta testing the first version of a new product can be a bit rough. The first beta version of HomeSite probably wasn't all that great to work with either. -Mike Chabot ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for  years > (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), As others have pointed out, plenty of people still use it. > I also spend ages trying to  make everything look like homesite :-)) I think this may be the root of your problem switching.  You are trying to change the software to be the same as Homesite when it isn't.  Sometimes you have to adapt to the software rather then adapting the software to you. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use Homesite if you like it. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell:  678.637.5072 aim:   cameroncf email: cameronc@gmail.c

I still have CFStudio installed and I use it as a glorified text editor or scratch pad on occasion.  Usually to help me look at code from 'View Source' and such. I've fully switched to Eclipse based for the past two years.  Yes, there is a steep learning curve, but not as steep as it was a few years ago.  Eclipse itself has matured a lot to make installing and updating plug-ins really easy.  CFEclipse has grown a lot in the past two years.  With the right set of plug-ins and a good set of snippets I can code very fast. Even CFBuilder is getting better.  I've been using CFBuilder since the last CF.Objective() conference.  It's getting better. We are still beating up the Adobe Developers on bugs and performance so hopefully by the time it's done its worth the yet to be announced price tag. I've written a blog post or two on getting some of the basics setup and running with CFBuilder.  I know many others have written the same for getting started with CFEclipse. In a previous post Mike Chabot mentions that beta testing the first versions of HomeSite may have been a little rough also. Well, I know they were as I was alpha and beta testing them back when Nick Bradbury was the owner of HomeSite and then when Allaire bought HomeSite and hired Nick. The editor went though many many many changes and upheavals and flame wars on forums. It was fun and look at what came of it. One of the best, most widely adopted, longest lasting web application development products ever made. The same is happening with CFBuilder. Wil Genovese blog: http:/www.trunkful.com On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Cameron Childress <cameronc@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I found it best to transition on a new project that isn't too deadline specific so you aren't pressured to take shortcuts. I am currently still using Dreamweaver with some projects because of the ease to setup a site with 3 server environments and FTP. Eclipse is a little too high end sometimes and I still don't know how to do everything I can do in DW. Start out small and don't expect to give up HS right away because when you are chugging and need to move past something you know you can do in HS, it will still be there for you.

Ben: I'm in the same boat as you!  (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52!  I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+.  It just works and it works FAST!  It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like "Select Full Tag" and "Edit Tag" don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors.  It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds.  In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need.  We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build.  With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need.  http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! Good Luck! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for  years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often  attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i  spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up  reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back  on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to  make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to  change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions /  tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I  also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live  development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern  apps (they just don't make em like they used to  :-). Thanks in  advance Ben

Hey Christian! I should have said something the other day, but the "select tag" stuff works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release. I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the formatting, so me no worry long. Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and "edit tag" still only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there. The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag selection, for doing that "expand tag selection" stuff you guys were talking about.  Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag. Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were. 1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release. -- Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit produces a change in the machine. George Gurdjieff ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I feel like I should hang my head when I say this, but I really like Dreamweaver.  I intend to give cfBuilder a try because of the tight integration with Flex, but Dreamweaver works well for me. Mark Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- needs ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

You might want to check out the Aptana Plugin. It's FTP client pretty decent. Seeing that CFBuilder is based on Aptana I will say it be a safe bet that they both use the same engine (the icons that they use are the same as well). I have read good things about the Aptana client on various CF blargs. I just forget where but here are a couple of posts I dug up. http://www.webtrenches.com/post.cfm/finally-solid-ftp-in-eclipse http://blog.crankybit.com/better-ftp-support-in-eclipse-via-aptana/ another $.02 .... G! ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I have not had any problems with dreamweaver (CS3 CS4) closing tags with the wrong tags... I think there may have been issues in the past with switching to and from the "design mode" - but I don't use that very often (if at all) - I mainly use the code view. I like DW - use it all the time. - N

I use Dreamweaver CS4.  I've been using DW for years, mainly because of the good SFTP integration, but I don't love it.  It crashes on me regularly. And what I miss most of all is the remote server search from CF Studio.  SO irritating that they cut this out when they moved to Dreamweaver. Jen Perkins McVicker Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer jen.mcvicker@gmail.com Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- needs ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----