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Author: denstar
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331729
> After reading this thread, I got interested in text and code editors again.
> It seems to happen every two years or so. I download Topstyle 4. It is
> very similar to Homesite + and customizable. I think I will spend some more
> time investigating it.
A nice editor is good, but I know how awesome an IDE can be, and
that's the route for me.
Eclipse starts up plenty fast, considering I pretty much leave it
running for days or weeks at a time.
And I *love* things like Mylyn-- the tools Eclipse offers just blow
everything else out of the water, IMHO.
Data tools, XML tools (with autocomplet, etc.), Bash Script editors
(editors for just about anything you can think of, really).
Then there's the testing tools... MXUnit -- of course! -- and if
you're hard-core, TPTP for load testing and whatnot.
Plus, I'm trying to make CFEclipse much more extensible, so pulling in
dictionaries/updates for things like FarCry is easier, etc.. And I
can't wait till I've got something together for colddoc -- javadoc
works freaking *awesome* for the java stuff (you can require comments
on things, get warnings about missing parameter documentation, etc..).
-- it's all coming together, amazingly.
I understand liking an editor -- I was that way too, once -- but now I
just can't go back.
But everyone's needs are different, to a certain extent, so I don't
hate on anything.
Whatever gets you from point A to point B in a manner you're happy
with, ja know?
:Den
--
The Law is but words and paper without the hands of swords of men.
James
Harring
Author: denstar
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331728
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> Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about.
Probably something do to with the FTP server you're connecting to.
Some windows servers implement it funk-illy, apparently. FTP just
sucks, basically. I'm a sad panda whenever I'm forced to use it.
The "Remote System Explorer" is pretty decent (you can use it for the
local filesystem too), and the jsch SFTP plugin offers a deal that
works with team sync (it remembers what files are "dirty" locally so
uploading only what has changed is easy).
Hrm. Wonder if we could just swap out what we're using for the jsch
one (I really like the "dirty" markers)...
The "Remote System Explorer" plugin has "remote server search", and a
bunch of other bells and whistles. There are a few options that
integrate with eclipse pretty seamlessly, depending on what you need
to do.
:Den
--
From a moral point of view, there is no excuse for terrorist acts,
regardless of the motive or the situation under which they are carried
out.
Jurgen Habermas
Author: Jerry Barnes
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331727
After reading this thread, I got interested in text and code editors again.
It seems to happen every two years or so. I download Topstyle 4. It is
very similar to Homesite + and customizable. I think I will spend some more
time investigating it.
Author: Jen Perkins McVicker
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331708
I use Dreamweaver CS4. I've been using DW for years, mainly because of the
good SFTP integration, but I don't love it. It crashes on me regularly.
And what I miss most of all is the remote server search from CF Studio. SO
irritating that they cut this out when they moved to Dreamweaver.
Jen Perkins McVicker
Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer
jen.mcvicker@gmail.com
Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on
OSX
Opening folders:
cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up
cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds
dreamweaver takes 2 seconds
Opening file:
cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long
cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file
dreamweaver takes about 4
Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about.
Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years
ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my
code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying).
Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the
ftp is awfull.
Please, please any views
On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: Eric Nicholas Sweeney
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331705
I have not had any problems with dreamweaver (CS3 CS4) closing tags with the
wrong tags...
I think there may have been issues in the past with switching to and from
the "design mode" - but I don't use that very often (if at all) - I mainly
use the code view.
I like DW - use it all the time.
- N
Author: Gerald Guido
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331703
You might want to check out the Aptana Plugin. It's FTP client pretty
decent. Seeing that CFBuilder is based on Aptana I will say it be a safe bet
that they both use the same engine (the icons that they use are the same as
well). I have read good things about the Aptana client on various CF blargs.
I just forget where but here are a couple of posts I dug up.
http://www.webtrenches.com/post.cfm/finally-solid-ftp-in-eclipse
http://blog.crankybit.com/better-ftp-support-in-eclipse-via-aptana/
another $.02 ....
G!
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Author: mark
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331700
I feel like I should hang my head when I say this, but I really like
Dreamweaver. I intend to give cfBuilder a try because of the tight
integration with Flex, but Dreamweaver works well for me.
Mark
Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on
OSX
Opening folders:
cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up
cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds
dreamweaver takes 2 seconds
Opening file:
cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long
cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file
dreamweaver takes about 4
Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about.
Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years
ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my
code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying).
Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the
ftp is awfull.
Please, please any views
On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: ben alembick
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331698
Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse & dreamweaver on
OSX
Opening folders:
cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up
cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds
dreamweaver takes 2 seconds
Opening file:
cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long
cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file
dreamweaver takes about 4
Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about.
Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years
ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my
code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying).
Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the
ftp is awfull.
Please, please any views
On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar <valliantster@gmail.com> wrote:
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Author: denstar
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331525
Hey Christian!
I should have said something the other day, but the "select tag" stuff
works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release.
I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the
formatting, so me no worry long.
Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and "edit tag" still
only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there.
The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag
selection, for doing that "expand tag selection" stuff you guys were
talking about. Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag.
Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail
that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were.
1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release.
--
Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit
produces a change in the machine.
George Gurdjieff
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Author: Eric Nicholas Sweeney
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331486
I find it interesting that no one seems to be suggesting DreamWeaver as a
"replacement" for Homesite.
I was a huge Homesite fan - but dropped it about 7 years ago...(Has it been
that long?!) I mainly use DreamWeaver now - and find it great for code
markup and CF Integration. It is very similar to a lot of the ways Homesite
worked... (I think)
I am probably not using it to its full extent - but the Database
connections/RDS Login/component integration, etc - are pretty nice once you
get it setup - and you can have it auto FTP or do it manually (as I do -
Still use an old copy of Absolute FTP). Overall code markup is clear - easy
to setup website projects - I like it.
I have started to dabble with the Coldfusion Builder - still very new to me
- I guess I see myself eventually swapping between those two... But for now
I pretty much live in DreamWeaver.
My Two cents anyway...
- Nick
Author: Christian N. Abad
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331473
Ben:
I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...)
I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF
4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse
and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It
just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me...
My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I
use the most, like "Select Full Tag" and "Edit Tag" don't work nearly as
well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and
simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality.
However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their
Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even
incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are
listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet,
but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience
diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two...
So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to
the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that
you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users
Just my $.02!
Good Luck!
Christian N. Abad - President
Accessible Computing, Inc.
1210 McLaughlin Drive
Charlotte, NC 28212
http://www.AccessibleComputing.com
704.900.1825 (Direct Line)
704.248.6682 (Fax)
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years
(does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted
to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so
much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when
i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and
the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look
like homesite :-))
I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone
have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for
MURA development).
I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas
there?
Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately
of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local
intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just
don't make em like they used to :-).
Thanks in advance
Ben
Author: Tony Bentley
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331472
I found it best to transition on a new project that isn't too deadline specific
so you aren't pressured to take shortcuts. I am currently still using Dreamweaver
with some projects because of the ease to setup a site with 3 server environments
and FTP. Eclipse is a little too high end sometimes and I still don't know how to
do everything I can do in DW. Start out small and don't expect to give up HS
right away because when you are chugging and need to move past something you know
you can do in HS, it will still be there for you.
Author: Wil Genovese
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331470
I still have CFStudio installed and I use it as a glorified text editor or
scratch pad on occasion. Usually to help me look at code from 'View Source'
and such.
I've fully switched to Eclipse based for the past two years. Yes, there is
a steep learning curve, but not as steep as it was a few years ago. Eclipse
itself has matured a lot to make installing and updating plug-ins really
easy. CFEclipse has grown a lot in the past two years. With the right set
of plug-ins and a good set of snippets I can code very fast.
Even CFBuilder is getting better. I've been using CFBuilder since the last
CF.Objective() conference. It's getting better. We are still beating up the
Adobe Developers on bugs and performance so hopefully by the time it's done
its worth the yet to be announced price tag.
I've written a blog post or two on getting some of the basics setup and
running with CFBuilder. I know many others have written the same for
getting started with CFEclipse.
In a previous post Mike Chabot mentions that beta testing the first versions
of HomeSite may have been a little rough also. Well, I know they were as I
was alpha and beta testing them back when Nick Bradbury was the owner of
HomeSite and then when Allaire bought HomeSite and hired Nick. The editor
went though many many many changes and upheavals and flame wars on forums.
It was fun and look at what came of it. One of the best, most widely
adopted, longest lasting web application development products ever made.
The same is happening with CFBuilder.
Wil Genovese
blog: http:/www.trunkful.com
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Cameron Childress
<cameronc@gmail.com>wrote:
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Author: Cameron Childress
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331469
> Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years
> (does anyone else still use it? id be interested),
As others have pointed out, plenty of people still use it.
> I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-))
I think this may be the root of your problem switching. You are
trying to change the software to be the same as Homesite when it
isn't. Sometimes you have to adapt to the software rather then
adapting the software to you.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use
Homesite if you like it.
-Cameron
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Sumo Consulting Inc
http://www.sumoc.com
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Author: Mike Chabot
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331468
Plenty of people still use HomeSite. It is a great program. The
intended successor to HomeSite is Adobe ColdFusion Builder, which
isn't a finished product yet. If you have had frustration with
cfbuilder, maybe stick with HomeSite until cfbuilder becomes a more
mature product. Beta testing the first version of a new product can be
a bit rough. The first beta version of HomeSite probably wasn't all
that great to work with either.
-Mike Chabot
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Author: Jason Fisher
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331467
I still use HomeSite more than not, but I'm using CFBuilder more and more for
side work (at home at night). Still not used to the lag ... HomeSite is just so
dang fast, while CFB waits forever to popup code assistance within a tag and it
often fails to close a tag, resulting in lots and lots of extra typing. I also
haven't yet set up all my snippets, so that will be a big one in making CFB work
for me, but I agree that it's not a simple transition.
Author: Justin Scott
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331466
> Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion
> development now for years (does anyone else still
> use it? id be interested),
I am still using HomeSite+ here for development. It does a great job, it's
fast, and it just works, but I'm in the same boat as you are. It's getting
farther behind with each release of ColdFusion, so eventually I'll have to
move on to another tool. I haven't found another editor that I've been as
happy with as of yet.
Homesite+ is like flying a Cessna 172. You go out to the ramp, do some
checks, and take off. It gets you where you want to go as long as you're ok
with its limitations. Everything else seems like a Boeing 747 in
comparison. Slow, clunky, tries to do all the heavy lifting on its own,
requires lots of time to get up to speed working with it, etc.
-Justin
Author: Andy Matthews
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331464
You're going to have the same trouble when moving to y from x in ANY field,
be it software, or applications, or even using a different knife when
cooking. You just have to believe that the new thing will eventually be
better than the old thing. If you don't think that it will improve your
development, then why bother...seriously. If Homesite works for you, and
your development needs, then why switch?
andy
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years
(does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted
to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so
much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when
i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and
the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look
like homesite :-))
I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone
have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for
MURA development).
I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas
there?
Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately
of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local
intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just
don't make em like they used to :-).
Thanks in advance
Ben
Author: Casey Dougall
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331458
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Honestly, you just have to suck it up and stop using Homesite if you want to
try something else. I'd even go as far as uninstalling homesite so you don't
get tempted to use it.
Author: Ben Alembick
Short Link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61004#331457
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does
anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to
eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time
trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some
work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again.
(I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-))
I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any
suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA
development).
I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas
there?
Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of
ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So
Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like
they used to :-).
Thanks in advance
Ben
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