ColdFusion Wheels & Model Glue

Hi all, Wondering if anybody has any experiences, positive or negative with using CF Wheels and/or Model-Glue.  Perhaps you have some advice to share on proper techniques etc etc.  PLEASE LET US NOT MAKE THIS A WHICH FRAMEWORK IS BETTER, because I am looking at possibly using both of them in my work, dependent on the scale of the application. Also, so you know I am already playing around with CF Wheels and found the initial setup rather painless.  I also found the documentation well done. Many thanks.

Well, To be honest you're coming at it a little backwards. Which one you would use depends on what you're planning on building and what you hope to get out of a framework. This is like asking if you should buy a truck or a boat. The answer is always going to be, it depends. So start with "What are you looking for in a framework"    - Shallow Learning Curve    - Built In ORM    - Plays nicely with other Frameworks / OS Projects    - Minimal Coding    - Adherence to strict standards    - Availability of plug in ready modules    - Availability of training docs / resources    - Ability to get a job using the skills gained from using this framework =] On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Michael Firth <mfsqlserver@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Actually, CFWheels states in its documentation that it should be only used for medium sized apps (aka not ten page websites or enterprise level).  I stated Model-Glue because I have used it on a enterprise level, so in fact my question on that end has already been answered. As to the learning curve, ORM, etc etc I pretty much know all this already and perhaps I should have stated that, but I am just really looking for experiences with just these two, not a well rounded discussion about all frameworks in general. Also, as to getting a job, I will be using these regardless if the position requires it because its a good thing to know, but I do thank you for input. Thus, my question regarding to any experiences in working with just these two frameworks. On Jan 26, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Alan Rother wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> Actually, CFWheels states in its documentation that it should be only used for medium sized apps (aka not ten page websites or enterprise > level). CFWheels is basically a Rails implementation for CF, so if you like the things Rails brings to the table (ActiveRecord, rapid prototyping, etc) it sounds pretty good. I haven't used it, because I don't really care for what Rails does, but a lot of people like that approach. Any framework will be overkill for a ten-page website. Have you looked at FW/1? This is Sean Corfield's framework, and it seems pretty slick to me. Very little configuration required, it relies on you following conventions and just does its thing. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

FW/1 you say?  I will definitely check it out.  Never know, that might be the one.  I have to be honest in that I know almost knowing about Rails because my last position was as a SQL DBA and was like out of the loop for a while and that might be a good thing because I don't know any better lmao. Thanks for the input and will make sure to look into the FW/1.  BTW for all of you out there still discussing CF_Builder, I have to say I am pretty impressed with it so far, but feel like I haven't even scratched the surface. Thanks, Mike On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Dave Watts wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

>>FW/1 you say? +1  for FW/1. It is a joy to use. G! On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Michael Firth <mfsqlserver@gmail.com>wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I also second Daves recommendation about checking out FW/1, its very light weight, very easy to learn, and IMHO hits the sweet spot. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Agreed.  I did the download from RIA and probably will give it a test spin perhaps tomorrow.  Thanks for the info all. On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:21 PM, John Allen wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Hey Michael. I've been using Wheels for about a year now and absolutely love it. I didn't use any "official" framework before Wheels and found It really easy to get setup and start building with. Wheels made MVC style development really easy for me and has some of the best documentation around. The screencasts really helped me fill in many of the missing pieces as I started constructing my first Wheels app. I think the one big benefit of Wheels is the built-in ORM. While I've only briefly messed around with Hibernate in CF9, the Wheels ORM made sense right away and with Wheels 1.05 I could use it with CF8 (as I didn't have CF9 at the time). FW/1 looks cool too - but Wheels just seemed to click for me. Give them all a shot and let us know about your experiences. -Brian ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Hey Michael. I've been using Wheels for about a year now and absolutely love it. I didn't use any "official" framework before Wheels and found It really easy to get setup and starting building with. Wheels made MVC style development really easy for me and has some of the best documentation around. The screencasts helped me fill in many of the missing pieces as I started constructing my first Wheels app. I think the one BIG benefit of Wheels is the built-in ORM. While I've only briefly messed around with Hibernate in CF9 the Wheels ORM made sense right away AND with Wheels 1.05 I could use it with CF8 (as I didn't have CF9 at the time). FW/1 looks cool too - but Wheels just seemed to click for me. Give them all a shot and let us know about your experiences. -Brian

Brian, Thank you.  Love your input regarding CFWheels.  I think thats the first one regarding its ORM.  Never tried Hiberante, but now I think I keep it to Model-Glue, CFWheels, and FW/1.  Good point about having CF8 and higher.  I might want to think about using another for ColdFusion 7 because you just never know about some companies. Anyways, thanks for the info. Thanks, Mike