Somewhat OT Making us look bad For the adobe engineers on the list

Why doesn't support seem to know to tell a customer, when they are installing CF9 standard on a 64 bit box that they need to go into the IIS application pool setting and enable 32 bit apps?  I am doing a gig for a client that could get CF( installed and that was all it was).  That should have been a quick fix.  While i glad for the business, I just think this makes us as a community look bad when Adobe's support is that incompetent. I have a stack of emails going back and forth about an inch thick and not one mentioned.  My client got a CF app dumped in their lap and they didn't have any CF resources.  Sorry for the rant, but since I know we have some Adobe folks here...I thought this would be as good as a spot as any.  This is a HUGE company that could potentially get impressed by CF and create a lot of CF jobs.  I won't name them, but i can tell you that probably everyone on this list has consumed their products...some on a regular basis.  This is how companies get turned off of products.  This could have been a big win on Adobe's part.  Way to drop the ball.  Some days I think Adobe purposely tries to sabotage their own product. Adobe folks...feel free to pass this on to the appropriate people. back to your regularly scheduled topics... Eric

Wow. That's pretty tough. I didn't know that was required when installing 64-bit version of CF. -KJ ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Standard doesn't have a 64 bit vesion...it is only Enterprise that does. Standard is 32 bit only. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

ColdFusion 9/9.0.1 IS 64 bit for Standard AND Enterprise. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilgeno@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Apr 27, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Not according to the website. It is compatable with 64 bit, but it is not 64 bit.  If you download a 64 bit version and enter in a standard password, it will not accept it. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

That was true for ColdFusion 8 but 64-bit ColdFusion 9 works for the standard serial. Have done it both on Unix and Windows 64bit boxes. J.J. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

ColdFusion 9.0.x not ColdFusion 8.0.x  What you are describing was true for ColdFusion 8.0.x.  When ColdFusion 9.0.x was released ALL editions were 64bit. Read this product Matrix http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family/buying-guide.html All ColdFusion 9 editions can run as 64-bit applications on the 64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows, Sun Solaris, Linux, and Mac OS. For detailed information about supported platforms http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-standard/faq.html Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilgeno@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Apr 27, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Oops... meant 8...yes...I am so used to saying CF9, it just comes naturally :-D.  Sorry for the confusion... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Maybe Adobe Support also had a hard time 'understanding' what you were trying to tell them. I do some support, and if the customer doesn't provide the right information, it can be difficult to provide a good response. I'm not saying that's what happened, but look how easily it can happen as it did here. Brook the list.. Oops... meant 8...yes...I am so used to saying CF9, it just comes naturally :-D.  Sorry for the confusion... ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

The big gotcha for me upgrading is that there is no COM on 64big windows... On 4/27/12 3:14 PM, Brook Davies wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Add to that MS Access on 64 Bit is a PITA to get working. But NO ONE is still using that right!!!! Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilgeno@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:20 PM, .jonah wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I spoke to a guy yesterday who still has several (old) clients using Access. It works fine for them so they haven't seen a need to change. I used to run DeathClock.com on it (4M views per month), but I cached the hell out of -everything- I did. I still think Access had the easiest way to create tables. No visual editor I've used yet has come close - even Aqua Data Studio. > > Add to that MS Access on 64 Bit is a PITA to get working. But NO ONE is still using that right!!!!

On 4/28/2012 9:18 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > I spoke to a guy yesterday who still has several (old) clients using > Access. It works fine for them so they haven't seen a need to change. > I used to run DeathClock.com on it (4M views per month), but I cached > the hell out of -everything- I did. I still think Access had the > easiest way to create tables. No visual editor I've used yet has come > close - even Aqua Data Studio. I sort of cringe when people bad mouth Access. I made a lot of money using Access as a backend with CF 1.5 - 3.1 in the old days. I agree 100% on the interface, they did a great job. I don't use it for the backend DBs now, but we really shouldn't hammer on older tech since that is where the ideas of our current systems were fleshed out. One of the best uses of the newest Access is to link to SQL Server tables for now technical people. I help some people get started who know little about relational databases and end up doing some fairly sophisticated things eventually. The SQL view really helps people learn to query databases. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter:  http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+:  https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369

The only problem with using Access for a web application is that it isnt designed to handle simultaneous accesses.     And that's what most web applications require.    If you have multiple requests on Access,  it will queue the requests and handle them one at a time.  In some applications, that's not a problem.   On a desktop app, for example,  it's not a problem.   On a low-traffic site, it's not a problem.  On a web site where it's only occasionally used, it's not a problem. I've used Access several times on web sites.    First I used it because I didnt know any better.    Then switched to SQLServer and saw my web site performance improve markedly.       Next I used it as a once-a-day method of getting client information into my web site sqlserver database.   My client understood Office apps, but didnt want to install SQLServer locally and learn how to update his web site through that.  He updates his Access database, uploads it, and the web site has a twice-daily task where it opens the latest Access database,  reads in data,  and updates the SQLServer database.    It's worked flawlessly for about 18months now, and the client's happy cos he didnt have to learn anything new. Another application that worked fine for me was using Access as a link to the client's MYOB database.   I set up Access as a DSN for ColdFusion and Access links to the MYOB database.  Daily, the web application updates its customer database with the latest data in the MYOB database. These apps work reliably in a web environment, but with the proviso they dont have to handle multiple simultaneous requests.    You can use it for web apps, but because it only handles one request at a time, your higher traffic times will be affected by the performance hit of the queueing. Also there's a strong risk of data being corrupted in that moment when there are many requests queued. As always,  use the right tools for the job.  Access is a terrific tool in the right situation. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----