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ColdFusion 10 has been released... http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html -Justin

Woot! ColdFusion 10 has been released... http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html -Justin

And there it is! On 5/14/12 8:59 PM, Justin Scott wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

And not one mention of it (or any other CF version for that matter) on the Adobe.com home page. Way to promote, Adobe.

When did CF10 come out?  http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html I saw no mention of this anywhere, and to find this page you have to go to Products / More Products - then scroll down the alphabetic listing and click on Cold Fusion. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin & Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct   125 Kennedy Drive,  Suite 100   I  Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119   F 631.434.7022   http://www.austin-williams.com Blog:      http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/austin_

It appeared online last night. I'm expecting some kind of CF10 party at CF.Objective() starting tomorrow in Minneapolis. This release comes on the tail of Adobe CS6 and Creative Cloud, so it is somewhat overshadowed by the big dogs like Photoshop. Shame. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Robert Harrison <robert@austin-williams.com ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

CS6, I only just upgraded to CS5.5 dammit ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Yeah...someone needs to go and smack the Adobe marketing department around a bit...If it wasn't for this, none of us would have even known about it. And not one mention of it (or any other CF version for that matter) on the Adobe.com home page. Way to promote, Adobe.

Maybe they are making a BIG announcement at CF.Objective() this week! Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 15, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Actually Adobe did announce it via their blogs, even Ray Camden blogged about it. http://blogs.coldfusion.com/post.cfm/adobe-coldfusion-10-is-now-available -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Eric Roberts < owner@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

And if you follow @coldfusion or even #coldfusion on twitter, there was a heavy stream about it. CFHour also mentioned on their podcast... > Actually Adobe did announce it via their blogs, even Ray Camden blogged > about it. > > http://blogs.coldfusion.com/post.cfm/adobe-coldfusion-10-is-now-available

"Even Ray Camden" - did you expect me -not- to blog it? ;) ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Not at all, Ray. Fully expected. Also fully expected that Adobe would home page SOMETHING about it!!! Sheesh..... >"Even Ray Camden" - did you expect me -not- to blog it? ;)

Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week.  Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-) Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 15, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Christopher Watson wrote: > > Not at all, Ray. Fully expected. Also fully expected that Adobe would home page SOMETHING about it!!! Sheesh..... > >> "Even Ray Camden" - did you expect me -not- to blog it? ;)

Marketing is the root of all evil.... -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Big public announcements at conferences are a great thing. And pretty common. However, when companies do that, they usually also release the damn product at the same time. At least they build a good product. Coldfusion: great engineering, crappy marketing. Judah > > Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week.  Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-)

well considering it was not announced  it seems it was perhaps not an official release, as it  was ust found by accident, so perhaps the official release was meant to be at CFO, they were just making sure they had it online ready to download in advance. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

It was announced - at least on a private list.  I have not seen the "Public" announcement yet. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilgeno@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On May 16, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> well considering it was not announced  it seems it was perhaps > not an official release, as it  was ust found by accident, ... When I first posted, it wasn't an accident.  Ben Forta had posted an announcement on his blog and I happened to see it within a few minutes in my RSS news reader and decided to pass along the good news.  Word travels pretty quickly within the CF community... as previously mentioned the buzz has been here, on Twitter, Facebook group, lots of blog activity, etc.  Anyone who watches any CF-related community will know within a couple of days (not to mention their presence at cf.Objective() which is going on now).  Those are the people who really matter, in my opinion, as they will continue to spread the word far and wide.  I'm not sure what people are expecting from Adobe on the marketing or advertising front around the release.  As excited as I am to see ColdFusion evolve, I also realize that Adobe is a huge company with a lot of products to tend to, many of which are more important to them from a marketing standpoint than ColdFusion is (Creative Suite sales are probably an order of magnitude greater than CF sales, so while CF is profitable, it's likely a drop in the bucket compared with the heavy hitters that have a broader market appeal).  A mention on the homepage would be nice though. :) -Just

> (Creative Suite sales are probably an order of magnitude greater than > CF sales, so while CF is profitable, it's likely a drop in the bucket > compared with the heavy hitters that have a broader market appeal).  A > mention on the homepage would be nice though. :) And this is the chicken and egg conundrum that has been going round and round ever since Adobe acquired CF. In order to improve the broader market appeal of CF, you have to invest in marketing and sales of the product. But if the product is not already a big hitter in a rather large portfolio, it is unlikely to be deemed worthy of that level of marketing and sales...wash, rinse, repeat. Still, fine engineering. Cheers, Juda

....and yet Adobe can't be bothered to e-mail it's paid customers of previous versions to tell them - sad and even sadder....this is par for the course. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: bryan@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

True, but I don't think Adobe likes CF.Objective() that much. CF.Objective() is a CFML Developers conference, so people from Railo and BlueDragon are typically there, presenting, promoting the competing products. This has really "irritated" a few people at Adobe in the past.  So in this case is makes sense that Adobe releases ColdFusion prior to CF.Objective() and then at the conference mentions that "Oh BTW, We launched ColdFusion 10 earlier this week."  And yes, some of the people at Adobe have been that petty. I've seen it in person and on the twitter feeds in the past. Not sure if this is still true today. But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. Just My Humble Opinion.   Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only one) this year at CF.Objective(). -Cameron ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more ----- -- Cameron Childress -- p:   678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf>; | twitter<http://twitter.com/cameronc>; | google+ <https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985>;

And I'm pretty sure Adobe gave the opening keynote this morning... > I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only > one) this year at CF.Objective(). > > -Cameron

Tomorrow - the actual conference starts Thursday Morning.  And yes they are giving the keynote. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 1:55 PM, <sslone@rubbergumball.net> wrote: ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Actually a Platinum Sponsor. But they also went years without being a sponsor.   I really hope it's an out of date opinion!!! Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Camer ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

> But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. The opening keynote is on Thursday at 14:00 UTC. That is not just past the deadline for the Friday news in a big part of the world, but is Ascention Thursday. About the only day worse for announcements is Christmas. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/

blogging is not marketing, at least not corporate marketing. ----- Excess quoted text cut - see Original Post for more -----

Here's some CF love http://ricardo.parente.us/2012/05/build-applications-quickly-with-coldfusion-10/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=build-applications-quickly-with-coldfusion-10 G! On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Tim Claremont < timothy.claremont@viahealth.org> wrote: > > And not one mention of it (or any other CF version for that matter) on the > Adobe.com home page. Way to promote, Adobe.

And no north american sales rep to be found to discuss purchasing licenses. We should have a product offering in about two weeks, think there is talk about a 30 day trial for new accounts. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com On May 15, 2012 4:14 PM, "Tim Claremont" <timothy.claremont@viahealth.org> wrote: > > And not one mention of it (or any other CF version for that matter) on the > Adobe.com home page. Way to promote, Adobe.

> And no north american sales rep to be found to discuss purchasing licenses. We're a reseller, and may be able to help you with that if you like. If you're interested, let me know and I'll put you in touch with our sales team (or you can just email sales@figleaf.com). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

Just found out now when Hostek made the tweet regarding their CF 10 hosting plans.

In reality though, they only "soft launched" it yesterday. We don't know yet what publicity and marketing efforts will come out in the days and weeks ahead... Are they going to put as big of a push as we'd like to see behind it? Sadly, I doubt it, but I suspect they'll do more than nothing. Personally, I'd like to see a smart campaign riding the growing focus on alternative JVM languages. On 5/16/12 1:15 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: > ....and yet Adobe can't be bothered to e-mail it's paid customers of > previous versions to tell them - sad and even sadder....this is par for > the course.

Adobe's overall approach to this product has been weak since 8 was released. In fact sometime after 8 Adobe notified us they would not renew our annual support contract, which we were paying a fair amount for at the time. It just would have been nice as a fairly substantial licensee to have a sales contract in place before the product release as in versions past. They would also have given us a near real timeline for release so we could be ready with a product offering from day one. This time around we were guessing more beginning of july. Still really love this product, but I still get the impression it's never going to have the corporate backing it once did. Product would be better off open sourced and community driven with a free community version and fee based support and enterprise level versions. More or less how Railo has gone. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com