Author: Nick Gleason
Our company uses FB and has for many years. It works great for us and we
have no plans or reason to change regardless of these leadership issues.
However, it certainly would help perceptions if there was some solid
leadership in place and folks who could work together. I'd love to see Sean
come back and take the steering wheel or someone similar.
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How do I feel? Honestly I'm rather angry about it. Fusebox and by default
FuseNG are solid frameworks used to build maintainable applications. 'It's
the app, stupid!' is the catch phrase of choice at the moment and like all
buzz words will pass with time. Solid applications built on solid
foundations however will not. Fusebox isn't an app any more or less than
Model-Glue, ColdBox, Mach-II or any of the other frameworks are apps.
Frameworks exists to make it easier for developer's to build better apps and
in reality help one be able to say 'it's the app, stupid!' sooner rather
than later. At my company, Attendee Interactive, Fusebox has helped us
create an application which powers more than 60 new websites per year w/ 2
developers. W/out such a framework as the cornerstone of our system (and by
extension our company) I personally don't think we could have achieved this
level of success. But unfortunately this type of information isn't shared
enough and often gets drowned out by more 'cool stuff' and thus silence is
at times interpreted as the tone of the death march .
In the end the current issue from an outsider's position is lack of
leadership, honesty and professionalism from both TeraTech and Adam. As the
'owners' of the framework TeraTech definitely is lacking in leadership. I
have no problem if they use an open source application as a way to sell
training and make money. But to make money and not give back to the open
source application generating that revenue is not only morally wrong but a
bad business decision. For Adam's part, as the lead developer and by
extension the co-leader of the framework, his effort didn't match his
tongue. I fully understand personal and professional lives often get in the
way of contributing more and I do not begrudge anyone, including Adam, for
having to step away. However, as a leader, don't stir the pot and make a
major decision to fork a framework only to leave a big mess a few weeks
later. I have to believe the feelings and reasons which caused Adam to step
away where there well before he got on his soap box to the 'whining
community' and make the decisions he did.
As for the next steps I'm not sure. I wouldn't use the mailing list as a
barometer for how much or little the framework is used, nor would I use Hal
Helms departure to RoR. I for one have no intent on moving to another
framework anytime soon. I'm still interested in helping where I can to keep
the framework alive and well.
Sean Corfield wrote:
I've seen a few tweets about Fusebox / FuseNG recently and most of
them trace down to Adam Haskell's blog post about the "death" of
Peter Farrell picked this up and ran with it:
And of course the father of Fusebox, Hal Helms, just announced his
"departure" to Ruby on Rails.
The bottom line is that no one is working on the Fusebox/FuseNG
framework and that has been the situation for quite a long time (from
shortly after I handed Fusebox over to Adam).
Activity on these Fusebox mailing lists has definitely dropped off
over the last year. If both Fusebox and FuseNG are dead, how do people
feel about that? Are Fuseboxers moving to other frameworks or still
plugging along with a (possibly customized) earlier version of
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this...
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
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-- Margaret Atwood
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