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List Weirdness

Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:13:00 GMT

  In October, I got a digest full of messages from May.  I almost jumped in
on the thread until I realized how old it was.
  I suspect that this just happened to someone else, and they responded to
the thread.

  Although, I don't know (Maybe
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:25:00 GMT

Yeah, I was wondering why I couldn't find any of these old messages...

I've only been on here since August.

-Blaine

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean@corfield.org]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:20 PM
To:
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:22:00 GMT

There's been no traffic on this list since May. Why are you suddenly
posting such unpleasant responses to these old, old emails? Did
something happen to you recently to cause this flurry of nastiness?

If you don't want to do ColdFusion any more,
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:05:00 GMT

>Right, and the idea is to lock you in to the vendor's way of doing
>things and make it hard for third-parties to provide good tools. The
>likes of FarCry would never be developed for ASP.NET because of MS's
>everything-including-the-kitchen-sink
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:43:00 GMT

>By showing that ASP (and ASP.NET) are not really "free" at all - they
>don't include much of the functionality that comes free with CF and
>they are harder to develop sites with (therefore the initial deployment
>cost is higher). There's plenty
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 23 May 2004 04:32:00 GMT

Have been reading this thread and these are my answers on framework.

First I have looked at fusebox, although it got hailed as the best thing
since sliced bread. I had been developing my own framework that was very
similar well before fusebox was
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 23 May 2004 12:20:00 GMT

On May 22, 2004, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Garza wrote:
>  While true, that is still using a third party app (yes FarCry is free
> and a
>  damn good system but...) This is completely integrated with the IDE,
> the
>  Framework and the Server.��Check out
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sat, 22 May 2004 10:07:00 GMT

From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean@corfield.org]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:47 PM
To: Macromedia-Talk
Subject: Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web
Application Market

On May 17, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Jeff Garza wrote
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 21 May 2004 11:25:00 GMT

  On May 17, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Jeff Garza wrote:
  > True that ColdFusion includes more functionality that straight ASP or
  > ASP.NET, but... Watch out for ASP.NET 2.0 that is currently under
  > development

  Watch out for Blackstone that is
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Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 21 May 2004 10:48:00 GMT

On May 17, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Jeff Garza wrote:
> True that ColdFusion includes more functionality that straight ASP or
> ASP.NET, but... Watch out for ASP.NET 2.0 that is currently under
> development

Watch out for Blackstone that is currently
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 17 May 2004 03:31:00 GMT

ColdFusion and the Web Application Market ---> Get the word out

Tue, 11 May 2004 12:12:00 GMT

For those of you who don't read blogs, you'll want to visit the URL and
voice your opinion.

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=e
&entry=1157

Eric Jones

Editor Caffeineinfused.com
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Tue, 11 May 2004 12:45:00 GMT

Oh that's cool man. I'm in total agreeance (sp?) with you. CF is in
decline and it is a very good idea to expand your skillset. Its fun
learning new stuff too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:acs@ns.com.au]
Sent: May 10,
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 05:27:00 GMT

Brian,

I have come from the ASP world, I have also programmed in perl and now
learning PHP.

I don't need to be convinced of how easy it is to develop in CF, what I need
convincing of is that my next job will not be CF and that is the reality of
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 05:20:00 GMT

>  You are so completely missing the point! I did *not* say there was
>  "less work" in ASP. I said more job openings mean more competition
>  which usually means more candidates and therefore it's harder to get
>  the jobs.

Which is why
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 03:56:00 GMT

On May 10, 2004, at 3:27 PM, Christian Cantrell wrote:

>  Sean certainly can (and has) spoken for himself on this issue, but I
>  just want to reiterate that Sean is clearly a
>  developer/engineer/technologist before he is a Macromedia employee
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 03:30:00 GMT

On May 9, 2004, at 10:46 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> Sean, I know you would like to defend coldfusion to your death
> because of
> your position with macromedia.

Sean certainly can (and has) spoken for himself on this issue, but I
just want to
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MXNA (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 03:10:00 GMT

On May 10, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:

>  Welcome to religious war 101. You support Blogs, I don't. This can go
> on and on
>  with you touting the superior delivery ability, etc. and me
> disagreeing. Point
>  is moot. You have
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 11:00:00 GMT

By showing that ASP (and ASP.NET) are not really "free" at all - they
don't include much of the functionality that comes free with CF and
they are harder to develop sites with (therefore the initial deployment

cost is higher).

What
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MXNA (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 10:49:00 GMT

> Email delivery is becoming less and less important due to the onslaught
> of spam. I for one am much happier with RSS as a delivery mechanism for
> technical information than with email (note: not for *discussion* -
> email is good for that).

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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 01:48:00 GMT

um that was me. It's a bit one sided of course because I can't be in every
community but "most of" the communities I'm involved in (including those
here in the cf-* realm) tend to have some very negative conversations that I
haven't seen in my many
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 01:28:00 GMT

On May 9, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> Anybody can look at stats, netcraft is not a typically good example
> here.

True because their sample is small. The Google numbers are likely to be
more representative (millions vs a few hundred
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Mon, 10 May 2004 01:22:00 GMT

On May 9, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> Although Sean might have some good points he is very biased towards
> the
> product.

I am biased toward good technology - I've never been one to be unduly
biased toward my employer (or my
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 11:48:00 GMT

Eric,

Although Sean might have some good points he is very biased towards the
product.

Lets have a look at some good coding practices that shoot his theory down.

Fusebox I hate it with a passion, it is over bloated for its functionality
but
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 11:39:00 GMT

Good point. Are there any stats on retraining of staff on ColdFusion from
some other previous language? How about site coverstions from
PHP,ASP,JSP,PERL,C++,COBOL,and FORTRAN to ColdFusion and visa-versa?

Paul Kenney
paul@pjk.us
916-212-4359
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 11:31:00 GMT

I've been following this thread from the start and even chime in from time
to time.

Something occurred to me with this whole talk about the CF jobs not being
abundant, or the growth being slow etc.

I agree with Sean on a lot of points. I see any
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 10:50:00 GMT

Sean,

Anybody can look at stats, netcraft is not a typically good example here.

I don't agree that the more jobs in ASP means less work like you are saying,
less jobs in CF means no one is using Coldfusion for SME sites anymore, and
that they
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 09:02:00 GMT

On May 9, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> But the point is that Sean is saying that CF is holding its ground,
> it is
> not holding its ground.

Have you actually looked at the NetCraft data?

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 07:24:00 GMT

Very true,

But the point is that Sean is saying that CF is holding its ground, it is
not holding its ground. I and many other developers are looking at the big
picture here, CF is dying fast and until there is a push to retrieve the
market share or
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 07:07:00 GMT

One of my points was to remove the causal relationship between the
Macromedia/Allaire purchase and the decline in CF jobs. I don't think its
fair to call MM to task for the failures of the marketplace.

As for learning other languages for the web, if
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 05:13:00 GMT

Paul,

I have been developing in CF for now nearly 8 years, coldfusion jobs have
always been around and before the dot com... Now do a search for jobs and
from a developers point of view if the market is going .Net don't you think
the developers are
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ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sun, 09 May 2004 05:03:00 GMT

> Admittedly, a lot of people are blinded by the initial cost and getting
> over that hump is the hard part. The enthusiasm and dedication of the
> CF community are testament to how good the technology is (once you
> 'convert' people).

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MXNA (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Sat, 08 May 2004 03:25:00 GMT

On May 7, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> It's not really an issue of me being left out as my agents gather all
> the
> information for me automatically.

I would have hoped that your agents would be scouring MXNA since it is
a
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MXNA (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

Fri, 07 May 2004 06:52:00 GMT

It's not really an issue of me being left out as my agents gather all the
information for me automatically. It's an issue of the community missing out.
Many times we put tech notes into an issue of Fusion Authority and people are
amazed that it exists
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