ColdFusion and the Web Application Market ---> Get the word out

For those of you who don't read blogs, you'll want to visit the URL and voice your opinion. http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=e <http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=e&entry=1157>; &entry=1157 Eric Jones Editor Caffeineinfused.com http://www.caffeineinfused.com <http://www.caffeineinfused.com/>; CEO JPEC Services http://www.jpecservices.com <http://www.jpecservices.com/>;   On May 9, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: >  Anybody can look at stats, netcraft is not a typically good example > here. True because their sample is small. The Google numbers are likely to be more representative (millions vs a few hundred thousand). >  I don't agree that the more jobs in ASP means less work like you are > saying, You are so completely missing the point! I did *not* say there was "less work" in ASP. I said more job openings mean more competition which usually means more candidates and therefore it's harder to get the jobs. >  Sean, I know you would like to defend coldfusion to your death > because of >  your position with macromedia. Actually, no, I don't just slavishly defend the company products. I would hardly have suggested folks look at New Atlanta's offering if I was just being the company spokesman. I am just a ColdFusion developer like most of y'all out there. >  coldfusion suffers from this because >  people tend to not pass on open source applications Hello? FarCry? OpenXCF? And a number of other SourceForge projects. What about Fusebox - freely developed for the community - and now Mach II? >  The cheaper a developer can write the application the more we can > earn and >  survive By that logic, you'd give away all your applications... Should you sell an application for $100 or $1,000? It depends on the market. If all you're doing is selling one-offs, you should charge *more* not less. If you're doing a lot of repeat business, you can afford to charge less and make more money. >  macromedia wants to acknowledge that New Atlanta are onto a winner, > its free >  and cheaper than Coldfusion and is a viable alternative to coldfusion. As New Atlanta have said, they're in this to make money too. They see the free edition as a loss leader that they hope will win them other business in the low-end of the market. >  so have the thousands of others now using Blue Dragon but running cfm > pages >  that google says are coldfusion but are not really coldfusion. ColdFusion the language? Yes, they are. ColdFusion the 'official' product? Maybe, maybe not. But this all started with "ColdFusion is dying" and I'm saying that's nonsense - the fact that there is worthwhile competition in this market shows that ColdFusion is far from dying. Companies don't enter a dying market if they want to make money. Why do you think New Atlanta are in this business? They're not a charity. And they're not the only alternative CF engines. Someone else commented that ColdFusion probably has one of the most negative communities of any language out there and I'm beginning to see signs of that. PHP for example has a community that is positive and aggressive and go-getting - despite many flaws in their technology. Yet here we see "Macromedia needs to create jobs for us" posts. No company marketed PHP - the community made it successful, the community evangelized and battled to get PHP into companies. Any company listening to you go on about "CF is dying" is hardly going to want to invest in it, are they? Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "There are no solutions, only trade-offs." -- Thomas Sowell   _____