Guidelines, Frameworks, Endorsements (was: ColdFusion and the Web Application Market

On May 22, 2004, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Garza wrote: >  While true, that is still using a third party app (yes FarCry is free > and a >  damn good system but...) This is completely integrated with the IDE, > the >  Framework and the Server.  Check out some of the improvements to > Visual >  Studio (Whidbey). Right, and the idea is to lock you in to the vendor's way of doing things and make it hard for third-parties to provide good tools. The likes of FarCry would never be developed for ASP.NET because of MS's everything-including-the-kitchen-sink system. A lot of CFers make their living developing and selling packages to other CFers - I think that's a good thing and I think MS are actually stifling the market with their approach... >  The good thing for Macromedia is that there will probably be a > significant >  amount of Flash front-ending that larger pie. Yes, and a bigger pie means more web work for everyone. >  I definitely agree with you on this.  Just wish we had something like > this >  from Macromedia.  That would lend more credibility to ColdFusion in > general. Really? Would folks really like to see an official "Macromedia ColdFusion Coding Standard"? >  Sean, if you ever want to come to Phoenix, we'd love to have a talk on >  Mach-II.  I know that Rob Brooks-Bilson is implementing it at Amkor > and >  there are many others here in the valley considering it (myself > included). Rob's seen my talk (recently at SDCFUG) and Sean Tierney has too (SCCFUG Winter Conference) but, since I have family in Phoenix, it's a possibility. Talk to Ed Sullivan about it. >  It has, in a way, become the de facto architecture to use when going > OO with >  CF. Yes, it does seem to be heading that way. Of course, the whole issue of whether to go OO or not is still being hotly debated by many CFers... :) >  I think that Macromedia needs to stand firm and endorse a > framework.  No >  framework will ever be the right thing for all applications, but, at > least >  it will be fully available and fully supported if and when someone > wants to >  use it. If Macromedia were to endorse a framework, would you expect Macromedia to own and maintain it (since you talk about "fully supported")? >  Thanks for the response Sean!  You and your team have done a great > job with >  the new Macromedia site!!! Thanx. The Web Team continue to do amazing things with Macromedia's products. I've moved on now - I've taken ColdFusion into the heart of our sales order processing as part of our recently ERP project and now I'm working closely with our CRM team on some upcoming initiatives. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "There are no solutions, only trade-offs." -- Thomas Sowell